False, as usual, Cody. (Destiny)
I don't know all the answers. It's going to be different for PvE and PvP, which is also why it's an extra handicap given that weapons have to not be overpowered in either.
Or, maybe they found a happy medium.
I would start by having fewer weapons. A lot fewer. If you look at Halo 1, every weapon except the needler has a place in the game and a spot where it's useful. Of course in Multiplayer the pistol dominated.
And here we arrive at the sandbox problem again. It doesn't matter how small or large the sandbox is, there will always be some weapons that excel overall that a certain contingent of players will gravitate towards. A larger sandbox (with a proportionally larger pool of ideally-performing weapons) is going to allow for more players to play at that level without forcing them to use a specific weapon.
To Bungie's credit, the types of weapons seem relatively equal in PvP, pulse rifles excepted. There's a reason to use fusion rifles over shotguns for example. So the balancing would have to be making sure that no fusion rifle is better in every situation than any other fusion rifle.
Suuuure...but you still have the sandbox problem within each class of weapon. There will still be only a slim handful that anybody chooses to use. The fact that there is a range of weapon classes mitigates this, to degree, as each class of weapon will have some overlap with other weapon classes.
It's a super hard job, but the bottom line would be fewer weapons, more differences between weapons, and more diversity of situations in both PvE and PvP to bring out the usefulness of those differences. The differences have to manifest themselves in advantages in common situations. This is probably easier in PvE, which is why in my world regular crucible would be Quartermaster gear only, and Iron banner when you bring your own guns in. (However Iron banner would always be running).
Right, so fewer and more widely differentiated weapons isn't going to happen. That's not the game that was designed here. I will, however, take a second to posit that we need to see new weapon classes and more interesting weapon behaviors out of them in future expansions (think Grenade Launcher heavies, various alien faction weapons, etc), as even during the beta there was talk of the current stable of weapon classes feeling a bit...standard.
I think differentiating the weapon tasking is not only impossible, but would be far less fun than what we deal with now. More differentiation would turn it into a clear cut rock-paper-scissors scheme for weapon selection. That certainly works in some games (like Halo), but this isn't one of them.
Overall, I think the best possible balance has been struck between how weapons and their specific traits work between PvP, PVE, and in the Iron Banner. The current system doesn't force you to level your gear in each of those modes independently, it factors in the extra materials investment where appropriate, and it caters to the largest body of players possible without conferring unfair advantage. If Iron Banner ran all the time, I'd warrant most players interested in PvP would end up there, where ALL material investment confers advantages, and vanilla crucible would be largely shunned except by those who don't normally run PvP (unless they have bounties that demand it). I don't think many folks would end up bringing less-levelled gear in, as they'd get crushed by the polished killers with highly tweaked builds.
As it stands with special events occurring periodically, the community is focused on joint activities during those times and left to roam at their own discretion at others. I don't think Iron Banner or the Queen's Wrath bounties would hold as much allure if the loot those vendors hawk was available whenever the player liked. Sure, one could argue that this is artificial investment-gaming, but I'm not seeing microtransactions skewing ingame behavior yet; nor do I feel like the big bad Activision is shamelessly cleaning out my wallet every time my console loads a new area.
~m
Complete thread:
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
rhubarb,
2015-01-19, 20:11
- Nature finds a way. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-19, 20:51
- Nature finds a way. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 07:47
- Consider my nightmares haunted. -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 08:50
- Consider your nightmares blessed. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-20, 09:56
- Looks like the love child of Sandi Toksvig and Jeff Goldblum - scarab, 2015-01-20, 10:03
- I can never unsee this. - Velociraptor112, 2015-01-20, 10:09
- WUT??? - ckamp, 2015-01-20, 10:35
- Damn, he's handsome. - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:49
- I'll just be crying in the corner. - breitzen, 2015-01-20, 12:13
- :l - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 12:16
- Consider your nightmares blessed. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-20, 09:56
- Consider my nightmares haunted. -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 08:50
- Nature finds a way. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 07:47
- Disgusting. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-19, 21:03
- Why is it disgusting? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 08:40
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 08:49
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:00
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 09:02
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:05
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 09:07
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:05
- Cheating does not require a victim. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:48
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:53
- Actually, you might have a point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:59
- Don't forget, Bots killed Diablo 2! - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 11:12
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist - Morpheus, 2015-01-20, 12:23
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 12:45
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist - Claude Errera, 2015-01-20, 12:53
- You're doing that thing again. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:06
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:18
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:24
- Oops - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:25
- Hit the wrong button there. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:29
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:43
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:54
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:57
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:54
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:24
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:18
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- You're doing that thing again. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:11
- Wait, wut? -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- Wait, wut? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- Gotcha - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:47
- Wait, wut? -
Morpheus,
2015-01-21, 19:45
- Wait, wut? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-22, 00:04
- Wait, wut? - Quirel, 2015-01-22, 02:24
- Wait, wut? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- Wait, wut? -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- You're doing that thing again. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:12
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:37
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 18:53
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 19:13
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:25
- False, as usual, Cody. - Malagate, 2015-01-21, 15:52
- ...There's A Gun On There Called The SVU? - Morpheus, 2015-01-21, 20:02
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:25
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 19:13
- I like having munky here - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 21:08
- False, as usual, Cody. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-01-21, 16:27
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 18:53
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:37
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:06
- Actually, you might have a point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:59
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:53
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 09:02
- Because it is cheating. - Revenant1988, 2015-01-20, 09:03
- Because it is cheating. -
bluerunner,
2015-01-20, 10:38
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:58
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 11:51
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 12:02
- No! Don't stop him. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:06
- Heh. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 12:07
- Gotta love SMBC - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 14:18
- No! Don't stop him. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:06
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 12:02
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 11:51
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:58
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:00
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 08:49
- Why is it disgusting? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 08:40
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Fuertisimo, 2015-01-19, 21:15
- What a waste of talent -
ZackDark,
2015-01-19, 21:18
- What a waste of talent - Mid7night, 2015-01-20, 06:06
- More Living Proof That The Dark Beyond Rocks. XD - Morpheus, 2015-01-19, 22:10
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 06:16
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 09:26
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Did he kill your dog also? - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 09:53
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-20, 09:55
- This person is horrible? lol -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 11:56
- This person is horrible? lol -
Avateur,
2015-01-20, 17:25
- You're in the running for the sarcasm category I see :) - Ragashingo, 2015-01-20, 17:38
- This person is horrible? lol -
Avateur,
2015-01-20, 17:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 10:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:58
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:28
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:35
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 14:03
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 15:15
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 15:55
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:06
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - DiscipleN2k, 2015-01-20, 17:34
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:06
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 16:29
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:09
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:26
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-21, 00:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-21, 01:04
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Cody Miller, 2015-01-21, 07:34
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-21, 01:04
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-21, 00:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:26
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:09
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Cody Miller, 2015-01-20, 16:31
- A common inventory would make life easier - scarab, 2015-01-21, 10:00
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 15:55
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 15:15
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 14:03
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:35
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:28
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:31
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Claude Errera, 2015-01-20, 16:02
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 10:13
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 12:23
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 15:56
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:14
- My main got nightfall exotics and legendaries for my alts - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 18:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:14
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 15:56
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 12:23
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 09:26
- Wouldn't it be easier to just...play? -
yakaman,
2015-01-20, 06:21
- Well, yeah.... -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 07:23
- Well, yeah.... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:19
- Exactly! -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 09:41
- +1 - ckamp, 2015-01-20, 10:27
- Exactly! -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:08
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:00
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:10
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:16
- HoloCouch. Problem solved. - CyberKN, 2015-01-20, 13:18
- Exactly! -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:20
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 15:54
- Just don't make a copy of a copy and you'll be fine. - rhubarb, 2015-01-20, 16:48
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:29
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-21, 08:33
- Paper Jam Claude... - Korny, 2015-01-21, 08:56
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-21, 08:33
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 15:54
- Exactly! - Ragashingo, 2015-01-20, 14:03
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:16
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:10
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:00
- Exactly! -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 09:41
- Well, yeah.... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:19
- Well, yeah.... -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 07:23
- Amazing - RC, 2015-01-20, 07:07
- Exclusion Zone -
unoudid,
2015-01-20, 08:21
- Not a choke point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:47
- Someone needs to get on that then - unoudid, 2015-01-20, 09:05
- Not a choke point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:47
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 09:44
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:01
- I have NEVER managed that. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 10:06
- I never asked for this - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 11:53
- Macro? - RC, 2015-01-20, 15:33
- I have NEVER managed that. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 10:06
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:01
- Kirk Hamilton is right - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:57
- Nature finds a way. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-19, 20:51