You're doing that thing again. (Destiny)
A good game is a game in which cheating robs YOU of the fun and experience. In most games, skipping to the last level with invincibility would be worse than playing the game proper. It would be BORING. In a good game, players would not want to cheat, because that would destroy the experience and challenge.
See, I have to stop you right here, because you are assuming again that people are playing games to get the same satisfaction that you do- which is not true.
I can name plenty of people who enter in cheat codes and otherwise play games not as intended by the developer because THAT is what they find fun.
-People who enter in the codes to unlock all songs in rock band or guitar hero to play with their friends, are by your definition, cheating and robbing themselves of the experience of the game by not playing the story mode to unlock each song, even the ones they don't want to play.
-People who load up GTA_ and enter in the codes for unlimted health, money, whatever weapon and car they want and then see how long they can hold out against the cops are again, cheating by your definition because they didn't obtain those items the long way. (I grew up with a guy who bought the game, played ZERO of the story, because he just loved doing exactly what I just said previously. That was the game to him. That was fun)
Are these games inherently bad, or good, then? Are they automatically bad games because someone wanted to enter in a cheat code?
Don't answer that- because it doesn't matter.
You and Raga can sit there and scream at my buddy that he's playing the games wrong, and that somehow, (by which neither of you have explained) it is negatively impacting YOUR playing of that game, even though it has ZERO impact on you. My buddy don't care. He's gonna enter the codes, and waste civilians until he's giddy.
Metacritic and Kotaku and whatever other critics and metrics can say a game is "good", and that doesn't mean -I'll- think it is good. Case in point, The Last of Us, looks like a really shitty game to me, and I didn't enjoy the demo I played, yet it gets heaps positive feedback.
It's all subjective, bro.
Complete thread:
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
rhubarb,
2015-01-19, 20:11
- Nature finds a way. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-19, 20:51
- Nature finds a way. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 07:47
- Consider my nightmares haunted. -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 08:50
- Consider your nightmares blessed. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-20, 09:56
- Looks like the love child of Sandi Toksvig and Jeff Goldblum - scarab, 2015-01-20, 10:03
- I can never unsee this. - Velociraptor112, 2015-01-20, 10:09
- WUT??? - ckamp, 2015-01-20, 10:35
- Damn, he's handsome. - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:49
- I'll just be crying in the corner. - breitzen, 2015-01-20, 12:13
- :l - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 12:16
- Consider your nightmares blessed. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-20, 09:56
- Consider my nightmares haunted. -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 08:50
- Nature finds a way. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 07:47
- Disgusting. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-19, 21:03
- Why is it disgusting? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 08:40
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 08:49
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:00
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 09:02
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:05
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 09:07
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:05
- Cheating does not require a victim. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:48
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:53
- Actually, you might have a point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:59
- Don't forget, Bots killed Diablo 2! - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 11:12
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist - Morpheus, 2015-01-20, 12:23
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 12:45
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist - Claude Errera, 2015-01-20, 12:53
- You're doing that thing again. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:06
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:18
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:24
- Oops - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:25
- Hit the wrong button there. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:29
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:43
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:54
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:57
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:54
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:24
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:18
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- You're doing that thing again. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:11
- Wait, wut? -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- Wait, wut? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- Gotcha - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:47
- Wait, wut? -
Morpheus,
2015-01-21, 19:45
- Wait, wut? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-22, 00:04
- Wait, wut? - Quirel, 2015-01-22, 02:24
- Wait, wut? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- Wait, wut? -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- You're doing that thing again. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:12
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:37
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 18:53
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 19:13
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:25
- False, as usual, Cody. - Malagate, 2015-01-21, 15:52
- ...There's A Gun On There Called The SVU? - Morpheus, 2015-01-21, 20:02
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:25
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 19:13
- I like having munky here - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 21:08
- False, as usual, Cody. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-01-21, 16:27
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 18:53
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:37
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:06
- Actually, you might have a point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:59
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:53
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 09:02
- Because it is cheating. - Revenant1988, 2015-01-20, 09:03
- Because it is cheating. -
bluerunner,
2015-01-20, 10:38
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:58
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 11:51
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 12:02
- No! Don't stop him. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:06
- Heh. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 12:07
- Gotta love SMBC - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 14:18
- No! Don't stop him. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:06
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 12:02
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 11:51
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:58
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:00
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 08:49
- Why is it disgusting? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 08:40
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Fuertisimo, 2015-01-19, 21:15
- What a waste of talent -
ZackDark,
2015-01-19, 21:18
- What a waste of talent - Mid7night, 2015-01-20, 06:06
- More Living Proof That The Dark Beyond Rocks. XD - Morpheus, 2015-01-19, 22:10
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 06:16
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 09:26
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Did he kill your dog also? - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 09:53
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-20, 09:55
- This person is horrible? lol -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 11:56
- This person is horrible? lol -
Avateur,
2015-01-20, 17:25
- You're in the running for the sarcasm category I see :) - Ragashingo, 2015-01-20, 17:38
- This person is horrible? lol -
Avateur,
2015-01-20, 17:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 10:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:58
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:28
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:35
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 14:03
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 15:15
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 15:55
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:06
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - DiscipleN2k, 2015-01-20, 17:34
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:06
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 16:29
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:09
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:26
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-21, 00:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-21, 01:04
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Cody Miller, 2015-01-21, 07:34
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-21, 01:04
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-21, 00:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:26
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:09
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Cody Miller, 2015-01-20, 16:31
- A common inventory would make life easier - scarab, 2015-01-21, 10:00
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 15:55
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 15:15
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 14:03
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:35
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:28
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:31
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Claude Errera, 2015-01-20, 16:02
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 10:13
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 12:23
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 15:56
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:14
- My main got nightfall exotics and legendaries for my alts - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 18:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:14
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 15:56
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 12:23
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 09:26
- Wouldn't it be easier to just...play? -
yakaman,
2015-01-20, 06:21
- Well, yeah.... -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 07:23
- Well, yeah.... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:19
- Exactly! -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 09:41
- +1 - ckamp, 2015-01-20, 10:27
- Exactly! -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:08
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:00
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:10
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:16
- HoloCouch. Problem solved. - CyberKN, 2015-01-20, 13:18
- Exactly! -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:20
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 15:54
- Just don't make a copy of a copy and you'll be fine. - rhubarb, 2015-01-20, 16:48
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:29
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-21, 08:33
- Paper Jam Claude... - Korny, 2015-01-21, 08:56
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-21, 08:33
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 15:54
- Exactly! - Ragashingo, 2015-01-20, 14:03
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:16
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:10
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:00
- Exactly! -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 09:41
- Well, yeah.... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:19
- Well, yeah.... -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 07:23
- Amazing - RC, 2015-01-20, 07:07
- Exclusion Zone -
unoudid,
2015-01-20, 08:21
- Not a choke point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:47
- Someone needs to get on that then - unoudid, 2015-01-20, 09:05
- Not a choke point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:47
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 09:44
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:01
- I have NEVER managed that. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 10:06
- I never asked for this - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 11:53
- Macro? - RC, 2015-01-20, 15:33
- I have NEVER managed that. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 10:06
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:01
- Kirk Hamilton is right - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:57
- Nature finds a way. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-19, 20:51