Smart man automates Destiny grinding (Destiny)
You contribute a lot to the community and you have a sharp mind. At the same time, you tend to universalize your experience of the world. As much as you may think you know what is best for people, you are limited because your brain neurons are wired in ways that are totally different from others. The stimuli that hits you as fun is going to be different than that which triggers the "fun" in others. People often say that you should try to see things from the other person's point of view. This is laudable, but it is also impossible. The best we can do it reach approximations of what we think that person may be experiencing.
You say I don't, but I fully realize that there are different tastes… when someone honestly says "I find X activity fun", they are not wrong. They CAN'T be wrong. They find it fun. True statement.Thus when constructing a theory of fun or whatever you are talking about, you have to account for that. I can perfectly well explain why some people find dumb activities fun. It doesn't make the activity less dumb however!
Pixel Poppers has an old article that's very good regarding this.
It turns out there are two different ways people respond to challenges. Some people see them as opportunities to perform - to demonstrate their talent or intellect. Others see them as opportunities to master - to improve their skill or knowledge.
Say you take a person with a performance orientation ("Paul") and a person with a mastery orientation ("Matt"). Give them each an easy puzzle, and they will both do well. Paul will complete it quickly and smile proudly at how well he performed. Matt will complete it quickly and be satisfied that he has mastered the skill involved.
Now give them each a difficult puzzle. Paul will jump in gamely, but it will soon become clear he cannot overcome it as impressively as he did the last one. The opportunity to show off has disappeared, and Paul will lose interest and give up. Matt, on the other hand, when stymied, will push harder. His early failure means there's still something to be learned here, and he will persevere until he does so and solves the puzzle.
While a performance orientation improves motivation for easy challenges, it drastically reduces it for difficult ones. And since most work worth doing is difficult, it is the mastery orientation that is correlated with academic and professional success, as well as self-esteem and long-term happiness.
It's easy to see why someone with performance orientation will be drawn to games where success is primarily defined by putting in time with easy repetitive activities. If they were however taught to shift their thinking to mastery orientation, they would shun such games and see them for what they really are: lame. Even though they were actually having fun playing them.
So if the only two reasons to take up a challenge were the two described here, the problem could be broken down like this. But neither of these describes why *I* take up challenges in-game, for example - and I'd bet there are others here, in this very, very tiny subset of the gaming world, that could make the same statement.
::shrug:: Simplify ANY problem down to a pair of possible outcomes and you can solve most things. The trick is actually doing that simplification. :)
Complete thread:
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
rhubarb,
2015-01-19, 20:11
- Nature finds a way. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-19, 20:51
- Nature finds a way. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 07:47
- Consider my nightmares haunted. -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 08:50
- Consider your nightmares blessed. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-20, 09:56
- Looks like the love child of Sandi Toksvig and Jeff Goldblum - scarab, 2015-01-20, 10:03
- I can never unsee this. - Velociraptor112, 2015-01-20, 10:09
- WUT??? - ckamp, 2015-01-20, 10:35
- Damn, he's handsome. - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:49
- I'll just be crying in the corner. - breitzen, 2015-01-20, 12:13
- :l - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 12:16
- Consider your nightmares blessed. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-20, 09:56
- Consider my nightmares haunted. -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 08:50
- Nature finds a way. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 07:47
- Disgusting. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-19, 21:03
- Why is it disgusting? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 08:40
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 08:49
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:00
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 09:02
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:05
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 09:07
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:05
- Cheating does not require a victim. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:48
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:53
- Actually, you might have a point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:59
- Don't forget, Bots killed Diablo 2! - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 11:12
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist - Morpheus, 2015-01-20, 12:23
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 12:45
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist - Claude Errera, 2015-01-20, 12:53
- You're doing that thing again. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:06
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:18
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:24
- Oops - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:25
- Hit the wrong button there. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:29
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:43
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:54
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:57
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:54
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:24
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:18
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- You're doing that thing again. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:11
- Wait, wut? -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- Wait, wut? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- Gotcha - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:47
- Wait, wut? -
Morpheus,
2015-01-21, 19:45
- Wait, wut? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-22, 00:04
- Wait, wut? - Quirel, 2015-01-22, 02:24
- Wait, wut? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- Wait, wut? -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- You're doing that thing again. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:12
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:37
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 18:53
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 19:13
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:25
- False, as usual, Cody. - Malagate, 2015-01-21, 15:52
- ...There's A Gun On There Called The SVU? - Morpheus, 2015-01-21, 20:02
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:25
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 19:13
- I like having munky here - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 21:08
- False, as usual, Cody. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-01-21, 16:27
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 18:53
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:37
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:06
- Actually, you might have a point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:59
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:53
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 09:02
- Because it is cheating. - Revenant1988, 2015-01-20, 09:03
- Because it is cheating. -
bluerunner,
2015-01-20, 10:38
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:58
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 11:51
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 12:02
- No! Don't stop him. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:06
- Heh. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 12:07
- Gotta love SMBC - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 14:18
- No! Don't stop him. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:06
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 12:02
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 11:51
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:58
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:00
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 08:49
- Why is it disgusting? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 08:40
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Fuertisimo, 2015-01-19, 21:15
- What a waste of talent -
ZackDark,
2015-01-19, 21:18
- What a waste of talent - Mid7night, 2015-01-20, 06:06
- More Living Proof That The Dark Beyond Rocks. XD - Morpheus, 2015-01-19, 22:10
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 06:16
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 09:26
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Did he kill your dog also? - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 09:53
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-20, 09:55
- This person is horrible? lol -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 11:56
- This person is horrible? lol -
Avateur,
2015-01-20, 17:25
- You're in the running for the sarcasm category I see :) - Ragashingo, 2015-01-20, 17:38
- This person is horrible? lol -
Avateur,
2015-01-20, 17:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 10:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:58
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:28
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:35
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 14:03
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 15:15
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 15:55
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:06
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - DiscipleN2k, 2015-01-20, 17:34
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:06
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 16:29
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:09
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:26
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-21, 00:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-21, 01:04
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Cody Miller, 2015-01-21, 07:34
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-21, 01:04
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-21, 00:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:26
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:09
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Cody Miller, 2015-01-20, 16:31
- A common inventory would make life easier - scarab, 2015-01-21, 10:00
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 15:55
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 15:15
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 14:03
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:35
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:28
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:31
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Claude Errera, 2015-01-20, 16:02
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 10:13
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 12:23
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 15:56
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:14
- My main got nightfall exotics and legendaries for my alts - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 18:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:14
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 15:56
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 12:23
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 09:26
- Wouldn't it be easier to just...play? -
yakaman,
2015-01-20, 06:21
- Well, yeah.... -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 07:23
- Well, yeah.... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:19
- Exactly! -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 09:41
- +1 - ckamp, 2015-01-20, 10:27
- Exactly! -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:08
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:00
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:10
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:16
- HoloCouch. Problem solved. - CyberKN, 2015-01-20, 13:18
- Exactly! -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:20
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 15:54
- Just don't make a copy of a copy and you'll be fine. - rhubarb, 2015-01-20, 16:48
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:29
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-21, 08:33
- Paper Jam Claude... - Korny, 2015-01-21, 08:56
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-21, 08:33
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 15:54
- Exactly! - Ragashingo, 2015-01-20, 14:03
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:16
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:10
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:00
- Exactly! -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 09:41
- Well, yeah.... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:19
- Well, yeah.... -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 07:23
- Amazing - RC, 2015-01-20, 07:07
- Exclusion Zone -
unoudid,
2015-01-20, 08:21
- Not a choke point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:47
- Someone needs to get on that then - unoudid, 2015-01-20, 09:05
- Not a choke point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:47
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 09:44
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:01
- I have NEVER managed that. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 10:06
- I never asked for this - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 11:53
- Macro? - RC, 2015-01-20, 15:33
- I have NEVER managed that. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 10:06
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:01
- Kirk Hamilton is right - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:57
- Nature finds a way. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-19, 20:51