Smart man automates Destiny grinding (Destiny)
Or... different people find different things frustrating. Some people like progressively building their characters. Others hate it and they find ways around it. Fair play. We're all shaped in different ways and we will react differently to various stimuli.
I don't think anyone would hate progressively building their characters if:
1. The requirement for progression is fun.
2. The requirement for progression is not random.
3. The progression makes the player make interesting choices about their progression.
I know I keep going back to deus Ex, but it has done this better than any game ever, and I don't know why people use shitty progression systems when Deus Ex had a superior one 15 years ago.
If you don't know, there are two ways to progress your character in Deus Ex: skills and augmentations. Skills are advanced with exp, and augmentations are acquired with specific augmentation canisters, and advanced with an augmentation advancement item.
You get exp just by completing the challenges in the game. You also get exp by exploring, solving problems in alternate ways, and by doing sidequests. There is a set amount you can get; you cannot grind exp and max everything out. This is great because it encourages exploration, alternative problem solving, and forces you to make important choices about your character because you only get a set amount.
Augmentation canisters are found by exploring the world and doing side quests. Many are only accessible if you are skilled in certain areas, such as lockpicking, hacking etc, or else are just easier to get that way. Augmentation canisters give you one of two augmentations, so they are mutually exclusive and you have to make a choice. Again, you cannot deck your character out with all the augmentations.
There is a feedback system, because your skills help you do things to get augmentation canisters, and your augmentations can help you take routes or do side quests which net you exp.
This only works because the game is so wonderfully designed to allow for a wide variety of skill and aug choices to be fun to play. Every area of the game has numerous ways to complete it, many of which require creative use of skills and augs. Thus there really isn't a BEST choice, because most combinations and focuses offer unique experiences.
Which goes back to your point of everybody being different, and so you can play the game how you want.
It's beautiful, and makes Destiny's progression and character skill choice system look like a snap together model, as opposed to Deus Ex which is a workshop full of raw materials.
The worst progression systems are primarily about power. The best, are about variety.
Complete thread:
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
rhubarb,
2015-01-19, 20:11
- Nature finds a way. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-19, 20:51
- Nature finds a way. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 07:47
- Consider my nightmares haunted. -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 08:50
- Consider your nightmares blessed. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-20, 09:56
- Looks like the love child of Sandi Toksvig and Jeff Goldblum - scarab, 2015-01-20, 10:03
- I can never unsee this. - Velociraptor112, 2015-01-20, 10:09
- WUT??? - ckamp, 2015-01-20, 10:35
- Damn, he's handsome. - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:49
- I'll just be crying in the corner. - breitzen, 2015-01-20, 12:13
- :l - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 12:16
- Consider your nightmares blessed. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-20, 09:56
- Consider my nightmares haunted. -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 08:50
- Nature finds a way. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 07:47
- Disgusting. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-19, 21:03
- Why is it disgusting? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 08:40
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 08:49
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:00
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 09:02
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:05
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 09:07
- SHINGEN E AND GALAHADS THE SWEETEST OF LOOT -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:05
- Cheating does not require a victim. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:48
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:53
- Actually, you might have a point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:59
- Don't forget, Bots killed Diablo 2! - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 11:12
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist - Morpheus, 2015-01-20, 12:23
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 12:45
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist - Claude Errera, 2015-01-20, 12:53
- You're doing that thing again. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:06
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:18
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:24
- Oops - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:25
- Hit the wrong button there. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:29
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:43
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:54
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:57
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 13:54
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:24
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:18
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- You're doing that thing again. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:11
- Wait, wut? -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- Wait, wut? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- Gotcha - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 13:47
- Wait, wut? -
Morpheus,
2015-01-21, 19:45
- Wait, wut? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-22, 00:04
- Wait, wut? - Quirel, 2015-01-22, 02:24
- Wait, wut? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:45
- Wait, wut? -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:15
- You're doing that thing again. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:12
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:37
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 18:53
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 19:13
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:25
- False, as usual, Cody. - Malagate, 2015-01-21, 15:52
- ...There's A Gun On There Called The SVU? - Morpheus, 2015-01-21, 20:02
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:25
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 19:13
- I like having munky here - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 21:08
- False, as usual, Cody. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-01-21, 16:27
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 18:53
- False, as usual, Cody. -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:37
- I have to disagree, I thought this was the only good point. -
iconicbanana,
2015-01-20, 13:06
- Actually, you might have a point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:59
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:53
- Ragashigo confirmed Statist -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 09:02
- Because it is cheating. - Revenant1988, 2015-01-20, 09:03
- Because it is cheating. -
bluerunner,
2015-01-20, 10:38
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:58
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 11:51
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 12:02
- No! Don't stop him. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:06
- Heh. - iconicbanana, 2015-01-20, 12:07
- Gotta love SMBC - ZackDark, 2015-01-20, 14:18
- No! Don't stop him. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:06
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 12:02
- What if he trained a hamster to do it? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 11:51
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 10:58
- Who is he cheating though? Who is the victim of this? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 09:00
- Because it is cheating. -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 08:49
- Why is it disgusting? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-01-20, 08:40
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Fuertisimo, 2015-01-19, 21:15
- What a waste of talent -
ZackDark,
2015-01-19, 21:18
- What a waste of talent - Mid7night, 2015-01-20, 06:06
- More Living Proof That The Dark Beyond Rocks. XD - Morpheus, 2015-01-19, 22:10
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 06:16
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 09:26
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Did he kill your dog also? - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 09:53
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-20, 09:55
- This person is horrible? lol -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 11:56
- This person is horrible? lol -
Avateur,
2015-01-20, 17:25
- You're in the running for the sarcasm category I see :) - Ragashingo, 2015-01-20, 17:38
- This person is horrible? lol -
Avateur,
2015-01-20, 17:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
ckamp,
2015-01-20, 10:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:58
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:28
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:35
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 14:03
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 15:15
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 15:55
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:06
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - DiscipleN2k, 2015-01-20, 17:34
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:06
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 16:29
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:09
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:26
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-21, 00:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-21, 01:04
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Cody Miller, 2015-01-21, 07:34
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-21, 01:04
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-21, 00:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:26
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 19:02
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 18:09
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Cody Miller, 2015-01-20, 16:31
- A common inventory would make life easier - scarab, 2015-01-21, 10:00
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
DiscipleN2k,
2015-01-20, 15:55
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 15:15
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 14:03
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:35
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 13:28
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:31
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding - Claude Errera, 2015-01-20, 16:02
- Why is it never the person who is horrible? -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 09:50
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 10:13
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 12:23
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 15:56
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:14
- My main got nightfall exotics and legendaries for my alts - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 18:25
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-20, 17:14
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 15:56
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 12:59
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 12:23
- Smart man automates Destiny grinding -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 09:26
- Wouldn't it be easier to just...play? -
yakaman,
2015-01-20, 06:21
- Well, yeah.... -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 07:23
- Well, yeah.... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:19
- Exactly! -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 09:41
- +1 - ckamp, 2015-01-20, 10:27
- Exactly! -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-20, 12:08
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:00
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:10
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:16
- HoloCouch. Problem solved. - CyberKN, 2015-01-20, 13:18
- Exactly! -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-20, 13:20
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 15:54
- Just don't make a copy of a copy and you'll be fine. - rhubarb, 2015-01-20, 16:48
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Korny,
2015-01-20, 21:29
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-21, 08:33
- Paper Jam Claude... - Korny, 2015-01-21, 08:56
- Paper Jam Claude... -
Revenant1988,
2015-01-21, 08:33
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 15:54
- Exactly! - Ragashingo, 2015-01-20, 14:03
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:16
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:10
- Exactly! -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-20, 13:04
- Exactly! -
Claude Errera,
2015-01-20, 13:00
- Exactly! -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 09:41
- Well, yeah.... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:19
- Well, yeah.... -
Mid7night,
2015-01-20, 07:23
- Amazing - RC, 2015-01-20, 07:07
- Exclusion Zone -
unoudid,
2015-01-20, 08:21
- Not a choke point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:47
- Someone needs to get on that then - unoudid, 2015-01-20, 09:05
- Not a choke point -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 08:47
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 09:44
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:01
- I have NEVER managed that. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 10:06
- I never asked for this - Spec ops Grunt, 2015-01-20, 11:53
- Macro? - RC, 2015-01-20, 15:33
- I have NEVER managed that. -
scarab,
2015-01-20, 10:06
- I can't imagine anyone making a bot to play AotCR. -
ZackDark,
2015-01-20, 10:01
- Kirk Hamilton is right - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-20, 11:57
- Nature finds a way. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-01-19, 20:51