Fun fact about capitalism (Destiny)
At the risk of treading into politics, I’ll just say a lot of this is not only about Destiny. I think the fact that “they’re just a business trying to make as much money as possible” is floated as a legitimate response and everyone takes that as a matter of fact and just accepts that as a completely legitimate defense is absolutely troubling. Yes, it’s at least a little hyperbolic. It’s a video game, there are far bigger issues to worry about. But it’s a tiny indicator of a problem in the system at large.
In my eyes, most conversations around this topic these days go drastically off the rails, mainly due to a few big misconceptions.
Capitalism is not an economic system that just sprung up out of the ground in a vacuum. It is the result of a far deeper philosophical and moral system of values. You start with the belief that every single human being is inherently valuable, and that each of us are ultimately responsible for our own choices. From that comes the inherent right for each of us to decide what is valuable to us, and to what extent, including our own time. And where we disagree with each other, we’re free to negotiate, and if that doesn’t work, we’re free to just walk away from each other. And so on.
What I’m getting at here is that capitalism inherently exists within a moral code. It is not, despite the common accusations, “all about making money”. Many people/businesses/corporations do appear to operate under that assumption to varying degrees, but that is absolutely not because of capitalism. Greed is greed, and it has been around since long before capitalism. Go anywhere in the world, at any point in human history, and you will find people crossing moral lines to acquire “more”.
The funny thing is, this inaccurate claim that I’m pointing at (the claim that the whole point of a business is just to make money) is used by people on both sides of the arguments that form around these topics. Apologists and defenders will say “hey, they’re just a business trying to make money, and that’s the whole point so who can blame them”. Meanwhile, some critics will point at perceived moral infractions (in this case, possibly predatory or misleading sales tactics) and say “See! This is the problem with capitalism!”.
I think this leads to misunderstandings on both sides and a lot of arguing past each other. But I think the whole thing is simpler than some people make it out to be. One of the fundamental moral codes on which the entire capitalist system stands is trust. For any of this to work, the parties involved need to be able to trust each other. Nobody wants to feel like they’ve been tricked into a deal they didn’t realize they were making. Which brings us back to the main topic at hand. Reading through that Reddit post in detail, there are a couple examples of Eververse implementation that do look disconcertingly close to “tricks”. Maybe they are, maybe they aren’t, but they look suspicious enough to some people to raise red flags. Others may not have the same reaction, but IMO it is absolutely fair and reasonable for Destiny players to point at the things that bother them and say “hey Bungie, you’re making me wonder if I can trust you here”.
For me, that really is what it comes down to. Trust is the commodity of real value that keeps a company going. Yes, they need and want money, but trust is what allows Bungie to spend years and hundreds of millions of dollars making a new game, and it’s what makes players want to spend their money on each new Bungie game on day 1, instead of buying something else. And ultimately, trust is such a personal thing, we can’t really argue about it. All we can really do is try to get the facts straight, and then decide for ourselves.
Complete thread:
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 06:34
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 08:24
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 08:59
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 09:31
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 10:00
- “That actually isn’t debatable...” -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 10:44
- “That actually isn’t debatable...” -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 11:09
- I disagree. Now what? -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 11:12
- I disagree. Now what? - cheapLEY, 2019-10-17, 11:17
- I disagree. Now what? -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 12:59
- I disagree. Now what? -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 13:30
- I disagree. Now what? - Cody Miller, 2019-10-17, 13:33
- I disagree. Now what? -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-17, 19:10
- I disagree. Now what? -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 19:12
- I disagree. Now what? -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-17, 19:18
- I disagree. Now what? -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 21:44
- I disagree. Now what? -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 00:55
- I disagree. Now what? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-18, 07:18
- This post is so good I'm now pro privatizing firefighting - kidtsunami, 2019-10-18, 08:43
- I disagree. Now what? -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:06
- I disagree. Now what? -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 09:32
- I disagree. Now what? - Harmanimus, 2019-10-18, 09:48
- I disagree. Now what? -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 09:32
- I disagree. Now what? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-18, 07:18
- I disagree. Now what? -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 00:55
- I disagree. Now what? -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 21:44
- I disagree. Now what? -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-17, 19:18
- I disagree. Now what? -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 19:12
- I disagree. Now what? -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 13:30
- I disagree. Now what? -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 11:12
- “That actually isn’t debatable...” -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 11:09
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 11:22
- I agree. :) -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 11:37
- I agree. :) -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 11:40
- I agree. :) -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 12:14
- I agree. :) -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 13:57
- I agree. :) -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 14:41
- I agree. :) -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 16:28
- I agree. :) - Ragashingo, 2019-10-17, 16:35
- I agree. :) -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 16:28
- I agree. :) -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 14:41
- I agree. :) -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 13:57
- I agree. :) -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 12:14
- I agree. :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-17, 15:38
- I agree. :) - Ragashingo, 2019-10-17, 17:13
- I agree. :) - Harmanimus, 2019-10-17, 19:26
- I agree. :) -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 11:40
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 11:39
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:08
- Totally agree. - Kermit, 2019-10-17, 12:11
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 12:34
- Making money - MacAddictXIV, 2019-10-17, 12:41
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:46
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 12:52
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:56
- State of the Eververse -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-18, 07:30
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 07:47
- State of the Eververse - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-10-18, 08:31
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-18, 08:36
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 08:39
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-18, 08:49
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 09:00
- State of the Eververse -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:14
- State of the Eververse - Cody Miller, 2019-10-18, 09:48
- What even is this argument? -
someotherguy,
2019-10-21, 00:51
- What even is this argument? - Harmanimus, 2019-10-22, 14:17
- State of the Eververse -
Kermit,
2019-10-22, 13:55
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-22, 14:59
- +10000 *NM* -
someotherguy,
2019-10-22, 15:01
- +10000 *NM* - someotherguy, 2019-10-22, 16:01
- State of the Eververse -
Kermit,
2019-10-23, 05:15
- State of the Eververse -
someotherguy,
2019-10-23, 05:49
- State of the Eververse - Kermit, 2019-10-23, 08:29
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-23, 10:50
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-24, 08:56
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-24, 09:32
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-24, 09:51
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-24, 10:00
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-24, 10:42
- Live game vs. The game elements - MacAddictXIV, 2019-10-24, 10:49
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-24, 10:42
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-24, 10:00
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-24, 09:51
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-24, 09:32
- Rubbish excuse for it imo -
someotherguy,
2019-10-24, 23:36
- Rubbish excuse for it imo -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-25, 09:44
- This^ - Kermit, 2019-10-25, 09:58
- False equivalency -
someotherguy,
2019-10-25, 10:30
- False equivalency - Harmanimus, 2019-10-25, 22:46
- Rubbish excuse for it imo -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-25, 11:13
- Rubbish excuse for it imo - Harmanimus, 2019-10-25, 22:48
- Rubbish excuse for it imo -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-25, 09:44
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-24, 08:56
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-23, 07:52
- And I respect that. - Kermit, 2019-10-23, 08:29
- State of the Eververse -
someotherguy,
2019-10-23, 05:49
- +10000 *NM* -
someotherguy,
2019-10-22, 15:01
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-22, 14:59
- State of the Eververse -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:14
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 09:00
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-18, 08:49
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 08:39
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 09:57
- </thread> - Ragashingo, 2019-10-18, 10:00
- State of the Eververse - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-10-18, 15:19
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 07:47
- State of the Eververse -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-18, 07:30
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:56
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 12:52
- Personal Responsibility. -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 12:38
- Personal Responsibility. -
squidnh3,
2019-10-17, 12:58
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 13:13
- Personal Responsibility. -
squidnh3,
2019-10-17, 13:55
- Personal Responsibility. - Cody Miller, 2019-10-17, 14:05
- Personal Responsibility. -
Kermit,
2019-10-17, 14:14
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 15:39
- Fun fact about capitalism -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-17, 16:36
- Excellent post. A must read. - Ragashingo, 2019-10-17, 17:37
- Trust - Pyromancy, 2019-10-18, 01:46
- +1 -
Korny,
2019-10-18, 07:31
- +1 -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:18
- +1 -
Korny,
2019-10-18, 10:12
- +1 - Harmanimus, 2019-10-18, 10:25
- Ummmm -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-18, 10:31
- Not a paywall - someotherguy, 2019-10-18, 10:37
- +1 -
Korny,
2019-10-18, 10:12
- +1 -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:18
- Personal Responsibility. -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 17:34
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 18:12
- Personal Responsibility. -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 18:34
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 18:49
- Personal Responsibility. - Ragashingo, 2019-10-17, 19:02
- Personal Responsibility. - Cody Miller, 2019-10-17, 19:14
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 18:49
- Personal Responsibility. -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 18:34
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 18:12
- Personal Responsibility. -
Kermit,
2019-10-17, 19:44
- Personal Responsibility. - Cody Miller, 2019-10-17, 21:47
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 04:51
- Personal Responsibility. - squidnh3, 2019-10-18, 06:48
- Personal Responsibility. -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 10:08
- Personal Responsibility. -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 10:38
- Personal Responsibility. -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 10:54
- Personal Responsibility. -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 11:14
- Personal Responsibility. -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:19
- Personal Responsibility. -
Kermit,
2019-10-18, 13:52
- Personal Responsibility. - Ragashingo, 2019-10-18, 14:00
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 14:21
- Personal Responsibility. - Cody Miller, 2019-10-18, 14:30
- Personal Responsibility. - Kermit, 2019-10-18, 15:38
- Personal Responsibility. -
Kermit,
2019-10-18, 13:52
- Personal Responsibility. -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:19
- Personal Responsibility. -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 11:14
- Personal Responsibility. -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 10:54
- Personal Responsibility. -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 10:38
- Fun fact about capitalism -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-17, 16:36
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 15:39
- The McRibb is predatory -
TheOmegaClown,
2019-10-18, 07:25
- You should see the them in the wild. DANGEROUS. - someotherguy, 2019-10-18, 11:22
- Personal Responsibility. -
squidnh3,
2019-10-17, 13:55
- Personal Responsibility. -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 13:13
- The A**hole Dilemma -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 10:52
- The A**hole Dilemma - Claude Errera, 2019-10-18, 10:56
- The A**hole Dilemma -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 11:08
- The A**hole Dilemma -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:15
- Miss you, dude. -
Kermit,
2019-10-18, 19:35
- <3 - someotherguy, 2019-10-19, 01:51
- Miss you, dude. -
Kermit,
2019-10-18, 19:35
- The A**hole Dilemma -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:15
- Personal Responsibility. -
squidnh3,
2019-10-17, 12:58
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 13:08
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 13:17
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 13:25
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 13:27
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 13:31
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 13:33
- State of the Eververse -
TheOmegaClown,
2019-10-18, 07:30
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 08:14
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-18, 08:39
- State of the Eververse - cheapLEY, 2019-10-18, 09:20
- State of the Eververse - Claude Errera, 2019-10-18, 10:13
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-18, 08:39
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 08:14
- State of the Eververse -
TheOmegaClown,
2019-10-18, 07:30
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 13:33
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 13:31
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 13:27
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 13:25
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 13:17
- State of the Eververse - MacAddictXIV, 2019-10-17, 12:20
- State of the Eververse -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:08
- I agree. :) -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 11:37
- The Psychology Argument Is Dishonest. - Ragashingo, 2019-10-18, 18:31
- “That actually isn’t debatable...” -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-17, 10:44
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 10:25
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:00
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:12
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:29
- Of course one thing I'm forgetting... -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:34
- Of course one thing I'm forgetting... -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 12:19
- inb4 42 - someotherguy, 2019-10-18, 15:03
- Of course one thing I'm forgetting... -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 12:19
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 12:01
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 12:10
- Sounds like that there is the problem - cheapLEY, 2019-10-18, 12:14
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 12:21
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 15:59
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 16:18
- Sounds like that there is the problem - MacAddictXIV, 2019-10-19, 23:53
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-18, 16:18
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 15:59
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 12:15
- We should *always* be up in arms about it -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 18:22
- Nah. -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 18:27
- Which is how we got into this mess in the first place - someotherguy, 2019-10-19, 01:53
- Nah. -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 18:27
- We should *always* be up in arms about it -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 18:22
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 12:10
- Of course one thing I'm forgetting... -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:34
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:29
- Sounds like that there is the problem -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:12
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 11:17
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:21
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:33
- Ah come on now -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:38
- Ah come on now -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:54
- Ah come on now -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 16:28
- Ah come on now -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 18:14
- Ah come on now -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 18:19
- Ah come on now -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 18:25
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
someotherguy,
2019-10-19, 01:48
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-19, 07:52
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-19, 08:20
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-19, 10:26
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-19, 10:39
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-19, 10:58
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-19, 11:08
- Not banning anyone. Just wish we could all be more civil. :( -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-19, 11:30
- Not banning anyone. Just wish we could all be more civil. :( -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-19, 12:56
- Not banning anyone. Just wish we could all be more civil. :( -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-19, 14:44
- Not banning anyone. Just wish we could all be more civil. :( - CruelLEGACEY, 2019-10-19, 15:02
- Not banning anyone. Just wish we could all be more civil. :( -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-19, 14:44
- Not banning anyone. Just wish we could all be more civil. :( -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-19, 12:56
- Now you're just being disingenuous - Ragashingo, 2019-10-19, 11:34
- Not banning anyone. Just wish we could all be more civil. :( -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-19, 11:30
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-19, 11:08
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-19, 10:58
- Just gonna zero in on this -
someotherguy,
2019-10-19, 15:15
- Just gonna zero in on this -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-20, 11:21
- Just gonna zero in on this -
someotherguy,
2019-10-20, 13:19
- Just gonna zero in on this -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-20, 14:35
- Just gonna zero in on this -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-20, 15:19
- Gotta echo Cody here - someotherguy, 2019-10-21, 00:25
- Just gonna zero in on this -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-20, 15:19
- Just gonna zero in on this -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-20, 14:35
- Just gonna zero in on this -
someotherguy,
2019-10-20, 13:19
- Just gonna zero in on this -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-20, 11:21
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-19, 10:39
- Original reply deleted, keep it civil. - Xenos, 2019-10-20, 11:23
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-19, 10:26
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-19, 08:20
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-19, 07:52
- Now you're just being disingenuous -
someotherguy,
2019-10-19, 01:48
- Ah come on now -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 18:25
- Ah come on now -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 18:19
- Ah come on now -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 18:14
- Ah come on now -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 16:28
- Ah come on now -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:54
- Ah come on now -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:38
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 11:35
- See response to Claude ^ -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:39
- Yeah. My phone keyboard is slower. :) -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 11:42
- Yeah. My phone keyboard is slower. :) -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 16:32
- Yeah. My phone keyboard is slower. :) - Cody Miller, 2019-10-18, 16:35
- Yep, but I was using it! :p - Ragashingo, 2019-10-18, 16:57
- Yeah. My phone keyboard is slower. :) -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-18, 16:32
- Yeah. My phone keyboard is slower. :) -
Ragashingo,
2019-10-18, 11:42
- See response to Claude ^ -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:39
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:33
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
someotherguy,
2019-10-18, 11:21
- As someone who has anxiety about collections/completion -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-18, 11:00
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 10:00
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 12:50
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 13:26
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 13:28
- State of the Eververse - MacAddictXIV, 2019-10-17, 13:31
- State of the Eververse - Claude Errera, 2019-10-17, 15:01
- State of the Eververse -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 13:28
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 13:26
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 09:31
- State of the Eververse -
cheapLEY,
2019-10-17, 08:59
- Tess Everis is the Darkness - narcogen, 2019-10-17, 09:32
- I don't get the outrage -
squidnh3,
2019-10-17, 09:50
- I don't get the outrage - MacAddictXIV, 2019-10-17, 10:00
- I don't get the outrage -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2019-10-17, 10:13
- I don't get the outrage -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:14
- hey squid and claude... - ManKitten, 2019-10-17, 12:40
- I don't get the outrage -
Cody Miller,
2019-10-17, 12:52
- I don't get the outrage -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:53
- I don't get the outrage - Cody Miller, 2019-10-17, 13:27
- I don't get the outrage -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:53
- I don't get the outrage -
Claude Errera,
2019-10-17, 12:14
- Ever-what? -
Kermit,
2019-10-17, 12:12
- WHO IS FENCHURCH!?!? - MacAddictXIV, 2019-10-17, 12:25
- +1 - TheOmegaClown, 2019-10-21, 05:49
- Two things can be true at the same time -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-17, 15:33
- Two things can be true at the same time - CyberKN, 2019-10-17, 15:53
- Two things can be true at the same time - cheapLEY, 2019-10-17, 16:10
- Two things can be true at the same time -
Kermit,
2019-10-18, 08:15
- Two things can be true at the same time -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-18, 08:47
- Two things can be true at the same time -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:22
- Two things can be true at the same time -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-18, 19:32
- Two things can be true at the same time -
Kermit,
2019-10-25, 10:04
- Bungie employing questionable strategies =\= Bungie is evil -
someotherguy,
2019-10-25, 10:32
- Bungie employing questionable strategies =\= Bungie is evil -
Kermit,
2019-10-27, 18:43
- Bungie employing questionable strategies =\= Bungie is evil - cheapLEY, 2019-10-27, 19:10
- This is normal =\= This is okay - someotherguy, 2019-10-28, 03:00
- Bungie employing questionable strategies =\= Bungie is evil -
Kermit,
2019-10-27, 18:43
- Bungie employing questionable strategies =\= Bungie is evil -
someotherguy,
2019-10-25, 10:32
- Two things can be true at the same time -
Kermit,
2019-10-25, 10:04
- Two things can be true at the same time -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-18, 19:32
- Two things can be true at the same time -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:22
- Two things can be true at the same time -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-10-18, 08:47
- Also... - Ragashingo, 2019-10-17, 17:47
- Enjoyed the debate. Speaking of Bright Dust... -
Oholiab,
2019-10-18, 08:36
- Enjoyed the debate. Speaking of Bright Dust... -
EffortlessFury,
2019-10-18, 09:12
- Enjoyed the debate. Speaking of Bright Dust... -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:48
- Got it. Very helpful - thanks! - Oholiab, 2019-10-18, 12:38
- Enjoyed the debate. Speaking of Bright Dust... -
Harmanimus,
2019-10-18, 09:48
- Enjoyed the debate. Speaking of Bright Dust... -
EffortlessFury,
2019-10-18, 09:12
- State of the Eververse -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-10-17, 08:24