I clearly owe an apology (Destiny)
So I've obviously managed to come off as dismissive or condescending, and I'm sorry about that. It was absolutely not my intention.
I don't want to drag this particular thread out more than is necessary, but I do feel like I should clarify a few of my points, just because I've so obviously failed to state them in a way that matches my intention.
First of all, regarding any statements I've made that are coming off as hyperbolic.
When I say things like, "supers are basically a win button" or "you just need to be facing vaguely in the right direction", I am trying to accurately describe my general experience of using supers (or going up against them) in Destiny. Those statements certainly don't apply to every super ability equally, nor do they apply to every single situational use of a super equally. But in my mind, when I think about the thousands of hours I've spent playing this game, the most common interactions with supers that rise to the top of my memory fit the descriptions as I wrote them. I ambush a guy, he turns around and Fist-of-Panics me. I catch a warlock floating around a corner, he Nova Bombs me in the face from point plank range and we both die. I respawn just in time to see a hammer titan or a stormcaller running straight at me, and they crush me before I have time to move more than a couple steps. And all these examples, I've been on the delivering side just as often.
These scenarios are obviously not the only encounters with supers in the game. But my impression, as anecdotal and unreliable as it may be, is that those are the most common interactions with supers that I have in the game. And I genuinely believe it is fair to say that those sorts of actions are not particularly demanding or skillful. They literally are just pointing in the right general direction and pressing a button. I know some supers are a little more simplistic to use than others, but I play as a Titan. So that's the point of reference that I have to work with.
At the same time, I hear you say that I'm sounding demeaning or insulting towards players who don't always manage to use supers effectively and I feel terrible about that (on that note, I should also stress that I never said that I always use them effectively either... I said "if I get fewer than 3 kills, I feel like I've screwed up". And that happens all the time).
What I was trying to explain from the start is that IMO, Supers in Destiny take way more skill to counter than they do to use, and that I personally find the balance too far in that direction for my preferences. I never meant to make anyone feel like I was degrading their abilities or anything like that. So I apologize for failing to make that clear. Hopefully this makes a bit more sense.
Complete thread:
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
INSANEdrive,
2018-02-01, 16:00
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - cheapLEY, 2018-02-01, 16:26
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Korny,
2018-02-01, 17:39
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-01, 19:38
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - Harmanimus, 2018-02-01, 20:04
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Ragashingo,
2018-02-01, 20:11
- If only charged melees were always 2HK I'd agree. - Harmanimus, 2018-02-01, 21:54
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-01, 23:12
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 01:15
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
breitzen,
2018-02-02, 05:09
- Finding the window -
Robot Chickens,
2018-02-02, 09:25
- lol - at the time, I thought that was me. ;) -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 09:41
- lol - at the time, I thought that was me. ;) -
Robot Chickens,
2018-02-02, 09:44
- Question -
ManKitten,
2018-02-02, 10:45
- SHUT UP NOTHING TO SEE HERE -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 10:47
- LOL - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-02-02, 11:04
- WHAT CLAUDE SAID - Robot Chickens, 2018-02-02, 11:07
- SHUT UP NOTHING TO SEE HERE -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 10:47
- Question -
ManKitten,
2018-02-02, 10:45
- lol - at the time, I thought that was me. ;) -
Robot Chickens,
2018-02-02, 09:44
- lol - at the time, I thought that was me. ;) -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 09:41
- Finding the window -
Robot Chickens,
2018-02-02, 09:25
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 08:03
- I feel like I can't really explain myself sometimes. -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 09:35
- Agreed. - MacAddictXIV, 2018-02-02, 09:43
- More exasperation -
squidnh3,
2018-02-02, 09:57
- More exasperation - MacAddictXIV, 2018-02-02, 10:21
- I feel like I can't really explain myself sometimes. - Korny, 2018-02-02, 10:12
- I clearly owe an apology - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-02-02, 12:12
- I feel like I can't really explain myself sometimes. -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 09:35
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
breitzen,
2018-02-02, 05:09
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Ragashingo,
2018-02-02, 06:57
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 07:49
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 08:00
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 08:13
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 08:25
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 08:33
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Speedracer513,
2018-02-02, 08:43
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-02-02, 08:46
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:26
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:30
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:36
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:38
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:42
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Ragashingo,
2018-02-02, 10:51
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - Harmanimus, 2018-02-02, 14:43
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Ragashingo,
2018-02-02, 10:51
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:42
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:38
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:36
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:30
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Speedracer513,
2018-02-02, 08:43
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 08:33
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 08:25
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 08:13
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Korny,
2018-02-02, 08:27
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-02-02, 08:46
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - Harmanimus, 2018-02-02, 15:02
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - Ragashingo, 2018-02-02, 08:28
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 08:00
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 07:49
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - Kermit, 2018-02-02, 07:27
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Revenant1988,
2018-02-02, 07:38
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-02-02, 08:15
- Less super kills because less targets -
Speedracer513,
2018-02-02, 08:39
- Less super kills because less targets -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:17
- Less super kills because less targets -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:24
- Less super kills because less targets -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:25
- Less super kills because less targets -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:27
- Less super kills because less targets - Cody Miller, 2018-02-02, 10:29
- Would prefer more D1-like PvP in D2, personally. - Harmanimus, 2018-02-02, 15:20
- Less super kills because less targets -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:27
- Less super kills because less targets - DiscipleN2k, 2018-02-02, 12:45
- Less super kills because less targets -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:25
- Less super kills because less targets -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:24
- Less super kills because less targets -
Cody Miller,
2018-02-02, 10:17
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-02-02, 09:40
- That's kind of the way it is now, isn't it? -
DiscipleN2k,
2018-02-02, 12:51
- That's kind of the way it is now, isn't it? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 12:53
- That's kind of the way it is now, isn't it? - Harmanimus, 2018-02-02, 14:54
- That's kind of the way it is now, isn't it? -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-02-02, 12:56
- Elemental does not do more damage in Crucible to shields -
Xenos,
2018-02-02, 13:03
- Elemental does not do more damage in Crucible to shields -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-02-02, 13:08
- Elemental does not do more damage in Crucible to shields -
Harmanimus,
2018-02-02, 14:50
- Totally different than what’s in my head - Blackt1g3r, 2018-02-02, 15:13
- Elemental does not do more damage in Crucible to shields -
Harmanimus,
2018-02-02, 14:50
- Good to know - DiscipleN2k, 2018-02-02, 13:16
- Elemental does not do more damage in Crucible to shields -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-02-02, 13:08
- Elemental does not do more damage in Crucible to shields -
Xenos,
2018-02-02, 13:03
- That's kind of the way it is now, isn't it? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-02, 12:53
- That's kind of the way it is now, isn't it? -
DiscipleN2k,
2018-02-02, 12:51
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - Vortech, 2018-02-02, 14:58
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 01:15
- Titanfall vs Destiny -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-02-02, 09:51
- Titanfall vs Destiny - Harmanimus, 2018-02-02, 14:08
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... - MacAddictXIV, 2018-02-02, 07:49
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-02-01, 19:38
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Harmanimus,
2018-02-01, 20:07
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Korny,
2018-02-01, 22:20
- Shoulder charge, my love -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 08:10
- Shoulder charge, my love + 1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-02-02, 08:20
- I missed it -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-02-02, 09:49
- I missed it -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 09:56
- I missed it -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:11
- I missed it -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-02-02, 11:20
- I missed it -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 12:22
- Some other notes. - Harmanimus, 2018-02-02, 13:41
- I missed it -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 12:22
- I missed it -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-02-02, 11:20
- I missed it -
DiscipleN2k,
2018-02-02, 12:01
- I missed it - Blackt1g3r, 2018-02-02, 12:51
- Still works on Arc/Solar. - Harmanimus, 2018-02-02, 13:43
- I missed it -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 10:11
- I missed it -
Claude Errera,
2018-02-02, 09:56
- Shoulder charge, my love -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 08:10
- From the Update | I Feel the NEED... -
Korny,
2018-02-01, 22:20
- Go! G-Go! G-Go! Go, Go! ... -
Morpheus,
2018-02-01, 20:46
- ...Arcstrider!!!! -
INSANEdrive,
2018-02-01, 20:59
- ...Arcstrider!!!! -
Morpheus,
2018-02-01, 21:07
- I regret nothing!!! - INSANEdrive, 2018-02-01, 21:59
- ...Arcstrider!!!! -
Morpheus,
2018-02-01, 21:07
- ...Arcstrider!!!! -
INSANEdrive,
2018-02-01, 20:59
- It’s cold down here… - Cody Miller, 2018-02-02, 10:32
- power ammo -
Robot Chickens,
2018-02-02, 11:58
- power ammo -
Xenos,
2018-02-02, 12:26
- power ammo -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 12:47
- power ammo - squidnh3, 2018-02-02, 13:01
- power ammo - Robot Chickens, 2018-02-02, 13:16
- power ammo -
DiscipleN2k,
2018-02-02, 13:00
- power ammo - MacAddictXIV, 2018-02-02, 13:42
- power ammo -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-02-02, 12:47
- Maybe I'll play this game again sometime -
BeardFade,
2018-02-02, 20:51
- The changes are for all players. No DLC required -
Robot Chickens,
2018-02-02, 21:27
- But isn't live yet, I think this is March? - Harmanimus, 2018-02-02, 21:35
- come back, Beard! - Oholiab, 2018-02-02, 23:07
- The changes are for all players. No DLC required -
Robot Chickens,
2018-02-02, 21:27
- power ammo -
Xenos,
2018-02-02, 12:26