Sad Indeed (Destiny)
Things are obviously horrible for Bungie right now. I don't see how you can hand-wave that away with bothsidesism. We talk about it because we care.
Look, the layoffs were bad news, indisputably. Where is my bothsidesism? The fact that I don't claim to know everything? I can speak with more authority to the example I gave about my company--I do believe both appraisals are wrong and the truth is very complicated. (And honestly, I hate the way "bothsidesism" is used dismiss nuance in a world where seemingly every effing issue is between the self-righteous good and self-evident evil, and you gotta choose. No one has the humility to admit blind spots. Not on the internet anyway.)
I haven't played Destiny since Beyond Light. Why? Because I got tired of the MTX squeeze and the "minimum viable product" decisions impacting project scope and the in-game economy. Does that make me a "bad fan"?
Of course not, no more than I'm a fool for continuing to play (and liking it).
Does it mean that my voice holds less weight than yours?
No, but we may have different perspectives, and for better or worse, I speculated about how we all tend to operate, which is we seek to confirm our biases and justify our choices. In my case, Bungie's content has been the main course of my gaming diet since 1994, and I've seen some stuff. The great betrayal of '96, the fiasco of '97, the second great betrayal of 2000--the list is long, and I've heard a good bit of dirty laundry along the way. I know a much of it is true, and that's bad.
And yet... do you know what's obviously not horrible for Bungie right now? A lot of people had a great time playing their game in the last week, including some people here. That affects what I think about articles such as these, and my degree of hope. How could it not?
Dude, I want Bungie to pull through and find their way back to excellence.
Good. [fist bump]
Complete thread:
- Bungie turmoil -
Avateur,
2023-12-06, 07:48
- Bungie turmoil -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-06, 08:26
- Bungie turmoil -
cheapLEY,
2023-12-06, 09:19
- Y’all are rooting for them to pull through, though, right? -
Coaxkez,
2023-12-06, 10:28
- Y’all are rooting for them to pull through, though, right? -
kidtsunami,
2023-12-06, 10:56
- Y’all are rooting for them to pull through, though, right? - Coaxkez, 2023-12-06, 10:59
- Y’all are rooting for them to pull through, though, right? -
kidtsunami,
2023-12-06, 10:56
- Bungie turmoil - Robot Chickens, 2023-12-06, 11:45
- Y’all are rooting for them to pull through, though, right? -
Coaxkez,
2023-12-06, 10:28
- Bungie turmoil -
cheapLEY,
2023-12-06, 09:19
- Sad Indeed -
Robot Chickens,
2023-12-06, 09:17
- Sad Indeed -
Kermit,
2023-12-06, 11:08
- Sad Indeed -
Coaxkez,
2023-12-06, 11:13
- Sad Indeed -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-06, 11:30
- That is where we differ. -
Coaxkez,
2023-12-06, 11:34
- That is where we differ. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-06, 12:12
- That is where we differ. - Coaxkez, 2023-12-06, 12:14
- That is where we differ. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-06, 12:12
- That is where we differ. -
Coaxkez,
2023-12-06, 11:34
- Sad Indeed - Kermit, 2023-12-06, 12:14
- Sad Indeed -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-06, 11:30
- An alternate explanation -
Robot Chickens,
2023-12-06, 12:05
- An alternate explanation - Kermit, 2023-12-06, 12:17
- An alternate explanation -
cheapLEY,
2023-12-06, 16:33
- An alternate explanation -
Kermit,
2023-12-06, 17:07
- Who's Killing Cinema? -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-06, 17:38
- Who's Killing Cinema? - Kermit, 2023-12-07, 15:30
- Who's Killing Cinema? -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-06, 17:38
- An alternate explanation -
Kermit,
2023-12-06, 17:07
- Sad Indeed - Cody Miller, 2023-12-06, 12:19
- Sad Indeed -
Avateur,
2023-12-06, 13:57
- Sad Indeed - Kermit, 2023-12-06, 16:55
- Sad Indeed -
Coaxkez,
2023-12-06, 11:13
- Sad Indeed -
Kermit,
2023-12-06, 11:08
- Management needs to be cleaned out big-time. - Coaxkez, 2023-12-06, 10:51
- Bungie turmoil - Captain Spark, 2023-12-07, 06:39
- Ugh -
kidtsunami,
2023-12-07, 07:23
- Ugh -
Coaxkez,
2023-12-07, 07:27
- Interesting. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-12-07, 07:56
- Interesting. -
kidtsunami,
2023-12-07, 07:58
- Interesting. -
Korny,
2023-12-07, 09:16
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 09:37
- Interesting. -
Robot Chickens,
2023-12-07, 11:11
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 11:22
- Interesting. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-12-07, 12:15
- Interesting. -
Avateur,
2023-12-07, 13:24
- <3 - kidtsunami, 2023-12-07, 19:16
- Interesting. -
Avateur,
2023-12-07, 13:24
- Just verified. It’s glorious - Robot Chickens, 2023-12-07, 23:05
- Interesting. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-12-07, 12:15
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 11:22
- Interesting. -
Robot Chickens,
2023-12-07, 11:11
- Interesting. -
cheapLEY,
2023-12-07, 12:28
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 12:35
- Interesting. -
Vortech,
2023-12-17, 09:30
- Interesting. - EffortlessFury, 2023-12-17, 14:31
- Interesting. -
Vortech,
2023-12-17, 09:30
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 12:35
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 09:37
- Interesting. -
Korny,
2023-12-07, 09:16
- Interesting. -
ManKitten,
2023-12-07, 08:09
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 08:12
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-07, 12:02
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 12:32
- DnD and leveling ruined everything -
kidtsunami,
2023-12-07, 14:41
- DnD and leveling ruined everything - Cody Miller, 2023-12-07, 15:23
- DnD and leveling ruined everything -
kidtsunami,
2023-12-07, 14:41
- Interesting. -
Avateur,
2023-12-07, 13:29
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-08, 03:30
- Interesting. -
Avateur,
2023-12-08, 17:08
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-08, 17:36
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-08, 19:17
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 01:10
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-10, 09:33
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 10:46
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-10, 10:58
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 11:06
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-10, 11:37
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 11:44
- Interesting. - Cody Miller, 2023-12-10, 12:47
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 11:51
- Interesting. - Cody Miller, 2023-12-10, 12:48
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 11:44
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-10, 11:37
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 11:06
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-10, 10:58
- Really should sit and ruminate before posting. - EffortlessFury, 2023-12-10, 12:44
- Counterpoint: Fortnight (sp?) - Vortech, 2023-12-17, 09:36
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 10:46
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-10, 09:33
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 01:10
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-08, 19:17
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-08, 17:36
- Interesting. -
Avateur,
2023-12-08, 17:08
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-08, 03:30
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 12:32
- Interesting. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-07, 12:02
- Interesting. - Coaxkez, 2023-12-07, 08:22
- Also Interesting. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-12-07, 13:39
- Also Interesting. -
cheapLEY,
2023-12-07, 14:23
- Also Interesting. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-12-07, 17:03
- Also Interesting. - cheapLEY, 2023-12-07, 17:28
- Also Interesting. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-12-07, 17:03
- Also Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 15:27
- Also Interesting. - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-12-07, 16:13
- Also Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 17:23
- Also GTA - Vortech, 2023-12-17, 09:37
- Also Interesting. -
cheapLEY,
2023-12-07, 14:23
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Revenant1988,
2023-12-07, 19:20
- You all just need to play less bullshit. -
cheapLEY,
2023-12-07, 19:34
- You all just need to play less bullshit. - Revenant1988, 2023-12-07, 19:47
- You all just need to play less bullshit. - Cody Miller, 2023-12-07, 19:56
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Kermit,
2023-12-08, 11:14
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Avateur,
2023-12-08, 16:59
- People in glass houses and all that - kidtsunami, 2023-12-08, 18:39
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Kermit,
2023-12-08, 21:19
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Avateur,
2023-12-09, 21:51
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder - Kermit, 2023-12-11, 08:12
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
EffortlessFury,
2023-12-10, 11:17
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Kermit,
2023-12-10, 19:36
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
uberfoop,
2023-12-11, 15:24
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder - Kermit, 2023-12-11, 17:37
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
uberfoop,
2023-12-11, 15:24
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Kermit,
2023-12-10, 19:36
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Avateur,
2023-12-09, 21:51
- Playing for 'fun' is still possible, it just seems harder -
Avateur,
2023-12-08, 16:59
- You all just need to play less bullshit. -
cheapLEY,
2023-12-07, 19:34
- Interesting. -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-07, 08:12
- Interesting. -
kidtsunami,
2023-12-07, 07:58
- That's like, your opinion man - kidtsunami, 2023-12-07, 07:59
- Ugh - Cody Miller, 2023-12-07, 08:04
- Interesting. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-12-07, 07:56
- Ugh -
Coaxkez,
2023-12-07, 07:27
- Bungie turmoil -
Cody Miller,
2023-12-06, 08:26