Halo (Destiny)
Soooo, if it had been a Macintosh release price was unbounded?
Since at the time Bungie was self publishing, yes. They could charge whatever they wanted.
We're talking about the ability to price things while considering not only profit but price sensitivity. Of course they could literally charge whatever they wanted but that is meaningless to this argument. Realistically, no developer or publisher can charge "whatever they want."
Your argument, then, is one about artistic purity; games uninfluenced by the financial circumstances of their development. When judging a work, you must either take all context of its creation into consideration or none of it. The economics of it all is a part of that context.
Your purity arguments try to look at games in a vacuum. Your ideals are aspirational but entirely unrealistic. To make a game like the one Bungie makes, this is how they need to fund it. You believe this mars the work and, IIRC, your arguments usually boil down to either "Charge for it differently the way that I want without regard to the same factors Bungie is considering," or "Don't make that kind of game."
We've already brought up price sensitivity as at least one factor that Bungie is considering that you don't seem to be concerned with. The other? "Don't make that kind of game." I mean, that's just your opinion, man, and Bungie can make whatever game they want. It's their studio and their choice. We get it at this point; please stop bringing that up.
So are we just beating a dead horse again? Business as usual?
Yes, there is a line that needs to be drawn as to what business practices are acceptable, but we can't judge them in a vacuum and we certainly can't be bitching about purity in the year 2020.
I'm probably wrong somehow but I calls it likes I sees it.
Complete thread:
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 12:37
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
squidnh3,
2020-01-29, 13:23
- Bit reductive and you know it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 13:42
- Bit reductive and you know it -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-29, 13:54
- Bit reductive and you know it -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:14
- Based on this thread and the reddit post... - someotherguy, 2020-01-30, 12:16
- Bit reductive and you know it -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:14
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 14:34
- Who cares? - stabbim, 2020-01-29, 14:40
- Who cares? -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:01
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 15:06
- You said "Who cares?" Plenty of people care. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:47
- But cheapLEY doesn't. Therefore nor should we -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:51
- Take that shit somewhere else. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:51
- I'm sorry, was that not the Tl;Dr of your aggressive apathy? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- No. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- Words Mean Things -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:24
- Words Mean Things -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:33
- They're both dismissive, only one is valid. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-29, 17:41
- Words Mean Things -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:33
- Words Mean Things -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:24
- No. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- I'm sorry, was that not the Tl;Dr of your aggressive apathy? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- Take that shit somewhere else. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:51
- But cheapLEY doesn't. Therefore nor should we -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:51
- Who cares? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:55
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-29, 22:15
- Someone will -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:56
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 10:45
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:49
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 12:01
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 12:10
- Where are you getting that? - Harmanimus, 2020-01-30, 13:08
- Where are you getting that? -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:24
- Where are you getting that? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-30, 13:17
- Hold Up -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:20
- Hold Up -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 02:06
- I'll stop getting angry about it when they stop doing it - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 02:44
- Hold Up -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 02:06
- Hold Up -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:20
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:51
- Where are you getting that? -
Kermit,
2020-01-30, 14:42
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:26
- X Doubt -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:30
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:34
- X Doubt -
marmot 1333,
2020-01-31, 10:23
- That's sort of my point - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 10:37
- X Doubt -
marmot 1333,
2020-01-31, 10:23
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:34
- X Doubt -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:30
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:26
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Where are you getting that? -
Kermit,
2020-01-30, 14:42
- Where are you getting that? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-30, 13:17
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 12:10
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 12:01
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:49
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 10:45
- Who cares? -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:17
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:52
- Lemme fix that for you -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Lemme fix that for you -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:28
- Not really how words work, is it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:33
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:37
- Addendum -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:39
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:46
- Addendum - narcogen, 2020-01-30, 18:17
- Not the least bit unfair. -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 18:14
- Not the least bit unfair. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-30, 18:52
- Not sarcasm - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 01:06
- Oh its a Trump thing. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 02:47
- Replied to wrong parent post. RIP. - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 05:39
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-01-31, 09:04
- Thanks for voicing your (and my) thoughts succinctly -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:12
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 09:20
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 09:33
- Being a jerk. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:51
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 10:01
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 10:41
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-31, 10:54
- Being a jerk. - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 13:42
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-31, 10:54
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 10:41
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 10:01
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-01, 08:42
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-01, 09:43
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:14
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-02, 07:59
- Being a jerk. -
Korny,
2020-02-02, 08:22
- "Narc is reading too much into it" *conjures 3 paragraphs* - someotherguy, 2020-02-02, 09:10
- Being a jerk. - cheapLEY, 2020-02-02, 09:15
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-03, 08:18
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 09:12
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-03, 14:57
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 15:49
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-03, 16:29
- Being a jerk. - Korny, 2020-02-03, 18:08
- Y'all goin' to make Wu turn this car around. - INSANEdrive, 2020-02-03, 18:29
- Being a jerk. - someotherguy, 2020-02-03, 23:12
- The Last Word - narcogen, 2020-02-04, 08:30
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-03, 16:29
- I Just Want To Say. - Morpheus, 2020-02-03, 21:20
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
narcogen,
2020-02-04, 08:19
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-04, 08:44
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk - narcogen, 2020-02-07, 07:47
- ::sigh:: -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-04, 08:50
- ::sigh:: -
Korny,
2020-02-04, 09:44
- ::sigh:: - cheapLEY, 2020-02-04, 10:01
- I was trying to avoid the C-word - someotherguy, 2020-02-04, 11:16
- Speaking of overly sensitive - someotherguy, 2020-02-04, 11:19
- ::sigh:: - INSANEdrive, 2020-02-04, 12:25
- 40 posts late and $1 short - narcogen, 2020-02-07, 08:18
- ::sigh:: -
Korny,
2020-02-04, 09:44
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-04, 08:44
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 15:49
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-03, 14:57
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 09:12
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 09:55
- Being a jerk. - narcogen, 2020-02-03, 08:23
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 12:07
- Technical foul - Cody Miller, 2020-02-02, 12:31
- Being a jerk. -
Korny,
2020-02-02, 08:22
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-02, 07:59
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:14
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-01, 09:43
- Being a jerk. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:51
- Thanks for voicing your (and my) thoughts succinctly -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:12
- Not the least bit unfair. - Cody Miller, 2020-01-30, 19:10
- Not the least bit unfair. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-30, 19:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 09:50
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 10:38
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 11:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 13:35
- Not the least bit unfair. - Kermit, 2020-01-31, 17:51
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 13:35
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 11:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Vortech,
2020-01-31, 17:59
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 19:10
- The place where design gets compromised . . . -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 20:24
- Disagree -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 21:03
- Examples? - Claude Errera, 2020-01-31, 21:36
- Halo 2 called, it wants its final third back. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-01, 03:13
- Those are often time constraints too -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 03:27
- Those are often time constraints too -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 07:51
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 09:35
- Try reading that again -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:13
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 10:43
- Try reading that again - Cody Miller, 2020-02-01, 12:49
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 10:43
- Try reading that again -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:13
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 09:35
- Those are often time constraints too -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 07:51
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 10:17
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 12:25
- Could fund more dev time. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 14:15
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:13
- WTF are you talking about -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 15:28
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:42
- WTF are you talking about -
ZackDark,
2020-02-02, 20:05
- WTF are you talking about - Cody Miller, 2020-02-02, 21:55
- WTF are you talking about -
ZackDark,
2020-02-02, 20:05
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:42
- WTF are you talking about -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 15:28
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:13
- Could fund more dev time. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 14:15
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. - someotherguy, 2020-02-02, 15:16
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 12:25
- Those are often time constraints too -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 03:27
- To quote Claude- Examples? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:03
- Any game with a cool feature cut “for time” ever. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 02:46
- Time is a fictional construct in this example? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:57
- To the same extent as money. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 16:35
- I have literally no idea what point you're making - someotherguy, 2020-02-01, 16:42
- To the same extent as money. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 16:35
- Time is a fictional construct in this example? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:57
- Any game with a cool feature cut “for time” ever. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 02:46
- Disagree -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 21:03
- The place where design gets compromised . . . -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 20:24
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 19:10
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 10:38
- Not the least bit unfair. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-30, 18:52
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:46
- Addendum -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:39
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:37
- Lemme fix that for you - cheapLEY, 2020-01-30, 15:42
- Not really how words work, is it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:33
- Lemme fix that for you -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:28
- Lemme fix that for you -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:52
- Someone will -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:56
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-29, 22:15
- You said "Who cares?" Plenty of people care. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:47
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 15:06
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:49
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:24
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:54
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:19
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:35
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:45
- *thinking emoji* - someotherguy, 2020-01-29, 17:55
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:45
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:35
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:19
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:54
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:24
- Speaking of reductive… -
Vortech,
2020-01-31, 14:52
- Speaking of reductive… - someotherguy, 2020-02-01, 02:01
- Bit reductive and you know it -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-29, 13:54
- Bit reductive and you know it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 13:42
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 16:41
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- I only answered your question. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:27
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 20:37
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:54
- Fair Enough -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-30, 06:58
- Fair Enough - Harmanimus, 2020-01-30, 08:01
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:55
- Fair Enough - Claude Errera, 2020-01-30, 12:05
- Fair Enough -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-30, 06:58
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:54
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 20:37
- I only answered your question. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:27
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts - Cody Miller, 2020-01-29, 18:59
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- this^ - Kermit, 2020-01-29, 20:22
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
squidnh3,
2020-01-29, 13:23