Not the least bit unfair. (Destiny)
Even cheapLEY conceded that he chose his words poorly. "Not what I said at all" is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I don't think so, but I will concede the point, because I think this has gone far enough.Narc's comment was still unfair.
If we can spend years holding Cody's feet to the flames for refusing to use socially accepted rhetorical flourishes that positively identify statements as personal opinions and not universal truths, then we can do it for others as well.
As a rhetorical tactic, "who cares" is way, WAY beyond the expression "I don't care." The simplest expression of "I don't care" is saying nothing at all. Somewhere up from that is just baldly stating a lack of interest in the topic before exiting the conversation, as a way of backing away politely.
Leading with "who cares" and staying in the fray to defend it is like lobbing a grenade. It's a rhetorical tactic that suggests one is speaking for a larger group, that expresses mockery of the legitimate interest of others. It's an aggressive expression of the cynical idea that the status quo is either already the best world possible, or at least the one we deserve because we haven't already made it better.
It's possible that not all of that was consciously intended. It's possible that this phrase, as a technique, was absorbed without close attention being paid to all the ramifications. But even if that is the case, it is not out of bounds to say that it is not acceptable-- or at least to point out that this is how it is perceived.
Now, if you're saying MY not particularly oblique reference was unwarranted, that's another thing, but then again, not everybody takes that reference as being pejorative, so who is to say?
By the way, am I reading this thread correctly? Do Kermit, Cody and I essentially agree in our reactions to this?
Complete thread:
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 12:37
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
squidnh3,
2020-01-29, 13:23
- Bit reductive and you know it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 13:42
- Bit reductive and you know it -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-29, 13:54
- Bit reductive and you know it -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:14
- Based on this thread and the reddit post... - someotherguy, 2020-01-30, 12:16
- Bit reductive and you know it -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:14
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 14:34
- Who cares? - stabbim, 2020-01-29, 14:40
- Who cares? -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:01
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 15:06
- You said "Who cares?" Plenty of people care. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:47
- But cheapLEY doesn't. Therefore nor should we -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:51
- Take that shit somewhere else. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:51
- I'm sorry, was that not the Tl;Dr of your aggressive apathy? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- No. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- Words Mean Things -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:24
- Words Mean Things -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:33
- They're both dismissive, only one is valid. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-29, 17:41
- Words Mean Things -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:33
- Words Mean Things -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:24
- No. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- I'm sorry, was that not the Tl;Dr of your aggressive apathy? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- Take that shit somewhere else. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:51
- But cheapLEY doesn't. Therefore nor should we -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:51
- Who cares? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:55
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-29, 22:15
- Someone will -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:56
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 10:45
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:49
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 12:01
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 12:10
- Where are you getting that? - Harmanimus, 2020-01-30, 13:08
- Where are you getting that? -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:24
- Where are you getting that? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-30, 13:17
- Hold Up -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:20
- Hold Up -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 02:06
- I'll stop getting angry about it when they stop doing it - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 02:44
- Hold Up -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 02:06
- Hold Up -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:20
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:51
- Where are you getting that? -
Kermit,
2020-01-30, 14:42
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:26
- X Doubt -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:30
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:34
- X Doubt -
marmot 1333,
2020-01-31, 10:23
- That's sort of my point - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 10:37
- X Doubt -
marmot 1333,
2020-01-31, 10:23
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:34
- X Doubt -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:30
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:26
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Where are you getting that? -
Kermit,
2020-01-30, 14:42
- Where are you getting that? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-30, 13:17
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 12:10
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 12:01
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:49
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 10:45
- Who cares? -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:17
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:52
- Lemme fix that for you -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Lemme fix that for you -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:28
- Not really how words work, is it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:33
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:37
- Addendum -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:39
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:46
- Addendum - narcogen, 2020-01-30, 18:17
- Not the least bit unfair. -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 18:14
- Not the least bit unfair. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-30, 18:52
- Not sarcasm - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 01:06
- Oh its a Trump thing. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 02:47
- Replied to wrong parent post. RIP. - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 05:39
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-01-31, 09:04
- Thanks for voicing your (and my) thoughts succinctly -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:12
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 09:20
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 09:33
- Being a jerk. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:51
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 10:01
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 10:41
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-31, 10:54
- Being a jerk. - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 13:42
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-31, 10:54
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 10:41
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 10:01
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-01, 08:42
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-01, 09:43
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:14
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-02, 07:59
- Being a jerk. -
Korny,
2020-02-02, 08:22
- "Narc is reading too much into it" *conjures 3 paragraphs* - someotherguy, 2020-02-02, 09:10
- Being a jerk. - cheapLEY, 2020-02-02, 09:15
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-03, 08:18
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 09:12
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-03, 14:57
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 15:49
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-03, 16:29
- Being a jerk. - Korny, 2020-02-03, 18:08
- Y'all goin' to make Wu turn this car around. - INSANEdrive, 2020-02-03, 18:29
- Being a jerk. - someotherguy, 2020-02-03, 23:12
- The Last Word - narcogen, 2020-02-04, 08:30
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-03, 16:29
- I Just Want To Say. - Morpheus, 2020-02-03, 21:20
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
narcogen,
2020-02-04, 08:19
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-04, 08:44
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk - narcogen, 2020-02-07, 07:47
- ::sigh:: -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-04, 08:50
- ::sigh:: -
Korny,
2020-02-04, 09:44
- ::sigh:: - cheapLEY, 2020-02-04, 10:01
- I was trying to avoid the C-word - someotherguy, 2020-02-04, 11:16
- Speaking of overly sensitive - someotherguy, 2020-02-04, 11:19
- ::sigh:: - INSANEdrive, 2020-02-04, 12:25
- 40 posts late and $1 short - narcogen, 2020-02-07, 08:18
- ::sigh:: -
Korny,
2020-02-04, 09:44
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-04, 08:44
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 15:49
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-03, 14:57
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 09:12
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 09:55
- Being a jerk. - narcogen, 2020-02-03, 08:23
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 12:07
- Technical foul - Cody Miller, 2020-02-02, 12:31
- Being a jerk. -
Korny,
2020-02-02, 08:22
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-02, 07:59
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:14
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-01, 09:43
- Being a jerk. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:51
- Thanks for voicing your (and my) thoughts succinctly -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:12
- Not the least bit unfair. - Cody Miller, 2020-01-30, 19:10
- Not the least bit unfair. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-30, 19:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 09:50
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 10:38
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 11:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 13:35
- Not the least bit unfair. - Kermit, 2020-01-31, 17:51
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 13:35
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 11:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Vortech,
2020-01-31, 17:59
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 19:10
- The place where design gets compromised . . . -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 20:24
- Disagree -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 21:03
- Examples? - Claude Errera, 2020-01-31, 21:36
- Halo 2 called, it wants its final third back. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-01, 03:13
- Those are often time constraints too -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 03:27
- Those are often time constraints too -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 07:51
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 09:35
- Try reading that again -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:13
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 10:43
- Try reading that again - Cody Miller, 2020-02-01, 12:49
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 10:43
- Try reading that again -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:13
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 09:35
- Those are often time constraints too -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 07:51
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 10:17
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 12:25
- Could fund more dev time. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 14:15
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:13
- WTF are you talking about -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 15:28
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:42
- WTF are you talking about -
ZackDark,
2020-02-02, 20:05
- WTF are you talking about - Cody Miller, 2020-02-02, 21:55
- WTF are you talking about -
ZackDark,
2020-02-02, 20:05
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:42
- WTF are you talking about -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 15:28
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:13
- Could fund more dev time. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 14:15
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. - someotherguy, 2020-02-02, 15:16
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 12:25
- Those are often time constraints too -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 03:27
- To quote Claude- Examples? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:03
- Any game with a cool feature cut “for time” ever. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 02:46
- Time is a fictional construct in this example? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:57
- To the same extent as money. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 16:35
- I have literally no idea what point you're making - someotherguy, 2020-02-01, 16:42
- To the same extent as money. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 16:35
- Time is a fictional construct in this example? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:57
- Any game with a cool feature cut “for time” ever. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 02:46
- Disagree -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 21:03
- The place where design gets compromised . . . -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 20:24
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 19:10
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 10:38
- Not the least bit unfair. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-30, 18:52
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:46
- Addendum -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:39
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:37
- Lemme fix that for you - cheapLEY, 2020-01-30, 15:42
- Not really how words work, is it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:33
- Lemme fix that for you -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:28
- Lemme fix that for you -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:52
- Someone will -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:56
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-29, 22:15
- You said "Who cares?" Plenty of people care. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:47
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 15:06
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:49
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:24
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:54
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:19
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:35
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:45
- *thinking emoji* - someotherguy, 2020-01-29, 17:55
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:45
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:35
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:19
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:54
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:24
- Speaking of reductive… -
Vortech,
2020-01-31, 14:52
- Speaking of reductive… - someotherguy, 2020-02-01, 02:01
- Bit reductive and you know it -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-29, 13:54
- Bit reductive and you know it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 13:42
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 16:41
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- I only answered your question. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:27
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 20:37
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:54
- Fair Enough -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-30, 06:58
- Fair Enough - Harmanimus, 2020-01-30, 08:01
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:55
- Fair Enough - Claude Errera, 2020-01-30, 12:05
- Fair Enough -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-30, 06:58
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:54
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 20:37
- I only answered your question. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:27
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts - Cody Miller, 2020-01-29, 18:59
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- this^ - Kermit, 2020-01-29, 20:22
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
squidnh3,
2020-01-29, 13:23