Not the least bit unfair. (Destiny)
Can I also just say how uncomfortable I am with the idea that people should have to be able to pay a certain amount of money, otherwise they aren’t enjoying the game in the correct way, are damaging the whole industry, and should be excluded?
I don't think anyone here made that argument. The price you pay for a game has zero to do with enjoying a game the 'correct' way.
I know it’s not the specific goal but at the end result is a poll tax for gaming.
Only with digital distribution. Another reason to oppose this. With physical releases you don't have to pay anything: "Hey, can I borrow that game for a bit?" "Okay sure". You can also buy used.
Breaking up the cost of a game over time isn’t just a way for game companies to make money it is also a way for them to increase the number of people who can play their game and reduce The price of base games given inflation. That’s democratizing gaming.
It is not always true that expanding the base means increasing the profits. You know this. Set the price too low and while more people might buy, you make less of each sale. There is an optimal price point which maximizes profit, which is always going to be higher than some people are willing to pay. People are already being excluded. There already exist options for players who can't afford it: wait till there's a sale or price drop, borrow the game, or pirate it.
Sometimes good things are expensive and unaffordable to many, and if good games must be that then so be it, but let’s note the impact on those people as we talk about idealist purity in game revenue.
It's not just about revenue but sensible design. If you won't pay full price for a game, and in order to capture you as a player the designers must compromise the game design, then you have in fact done harm to the industry. The idea of widening your audience becomes self defeating if it ruins what made the thing good in the first place. By all means widen without compromise; I think gaming being as big as it is today is a wonderful thing. But only if the games continue to be wonderful.
Complete thread:
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 12:37
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
squidnh3,
2020-01-29, 13:23
- Bit reductive and you know it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 13:42
- Bit reductive and you know it -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-29, 13:54
- Bit reductive and you know it -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:14
- Based on this thread and the reddit post... - someotherguy, 2020-01-30, 12:16
- Bit reductive and you know it -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:14
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 14:34
- Who cares? - stabbim, 2020-01-29, 14:40
- Who cares? -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:01
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 15:06
- You said "Who cares?" Plenty of people care. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:47
- But cheapLEY doesn't. Therefore nor should we -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:51
- Take that shit somewhere else. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:51
- I'm sorry, was that not the Tl;Dr of your aggressive apathy? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- No. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- Words Mean Things -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:24
- Words Mean Things -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:33
- They're both dismissive, only one is valid. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-29, 17:41
- Words Mean Things -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:33
- Words Mean Things -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:24
- No. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- I'm sorry, was that not the Tl;Dr of your aggressive apathy? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- Take that shit somewhere else. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:51
- But cheapLEY doesn't. Therefore nor should we -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:51
- Who cares? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:55
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-29, 22:15
- Someone will -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:56
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 10:45
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:49
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 12:01
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 12:10
- Where are you getting that? - Harmanimus, 2020-01-30, 13:08
- Where are you getting that? -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:24
- Where are you getting that? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-30, 13:17
- Hold Up -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:20
- Hold Up -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 02:06
- I'll stop getting angry about it when they stop doing it - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 02:44
- Hold Up -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 02:06
- Hold Up -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:20
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:51
- Where are you getting that? -
Kermit,
2020-01-30, 14:42
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:26
- X Doubt -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:30
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:34
- X Doubt -
marmot 1333,
2020-01-31, 10:23
- That's sort of my point - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 10:37
- X Doubt -
marmot 1333,
2020-01-31, 10:23
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:34
- X Doubt -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:30
- X Doubt -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:26
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Where are you getting that? -
Kermit,
2020-01-30, 14:42
- Where are you getting that? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-30, 13:17
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 12:10
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 12:01
- Where are you getting that? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:49
- Where are you getting that? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 10:45
- Who cares? -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 12:17
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:52
- Lemme fix that for you -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Lemme fix that for you -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:28
- Not really how words work, is it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:33
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:37
- Addendum -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:39
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:46
- Addendum - narcogen, 2020-01-30, 18:17
- Not the least bit unfair. -
narcogen,
2020-01-30, 18:14
- Not the least bit unfair. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-30, 18:52
- Not sarcasm - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 01:06
- Oh its a Trump thing. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 02:47
- Replied to wrong parent post. RIP. - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 05:39
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-01-31, 09:04
- Thanks for voicing your (and my) thoughts succinctly -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:12
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 09:20
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 09:33
- Being a jerk. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:51
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 10:01
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 10:41
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-31, 10:54
- Being a jerk. - someotherguy, 2020-01-31, 13:42
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-31, 10:54
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-31, 10:41
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-31, 10:01
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-01, 08:42
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-01, 09:43
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:14
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-02, 07:59
- Being a jerk. -
Korny,
2020-02-02, 08:22
- "Narc is reading too much into it" *conjures 3 paragraphs* - someotherguy, 2020-02-02, 09:10
- Being a jerk. - cheapLEY, 2020-02-02, 09:15
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-03, 08:18
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 09:12
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-03, 14:57
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 15:49
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-03, 16:29
- Being a jerk. - Korny, 2020-02-03, 18:08
- Y'all goin' to make Wu turn this car around. - INSANEdrive, 2020-02-03, 18:29
- Being a jerk. - someotherguy, 2020-02-03, 23:12
- The Last Word - narcogen, 2020-02-04, 08:30
- Being a jerk. -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-03, 16:29
- I Just Want To Say. - Morpheus, 2020-02-03, 21:20
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
narcogen,
2020-02-04, 08:19
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-04, 08:44
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk - narcogen, 2020-02-07, 07:47
- ::sigh:: -
Claude Errera,
2020-02-04, 08:50
- ::sigh:: -
Korny,
2020-02-04, 09:44
- ::sigh:: - cheapLEY, 2020-02-04, 10:01
- I was trying to avoid the C-word - someotherguy, 2020-02-04, 11:16
- Speaking of overly sensitive - someotherguy, 2020-02-04, 11:19
- ::sigh:: - INSANEdrive, 2020-02-04, 12:25
- 40 posts late and $1 short - narcogen, 2020-02-07, 08:18
- ::sigh:: -
Korny,
2020-02-04, 09:44
- In retrospect, I was not being a jerk -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-04, 08:44
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 15:49
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-03, 14:57
- Being a jerk. -
someotherguy,
2020-02-03, 09:12
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 09:55
- Being a jerk. - narcogen, 2020-02-03, 08:23
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 12:07
- Technical foul - Cody Miller, 2020-02-02, 12:31
- Being a jerk. -
Korny,
2020-02-02, 08:22
- Being a jerk. -
narcogen,
2020-02-02, 07:59
- Being a jerk. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:14
- Being a jerk. -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-01, 09:43
- Being a jerk. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:51
- Thanks for voicing your (and my) thoughts succinctly -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-31, 09:12
- Not the least bit unfair. - Cody Miller, 2020-01-30, 19:10
- Not the least bit unfair. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-30, 19:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 09:50
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 10:38
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 11:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 13:35
- Not the least bit unfair. - Kermit, 2020-01-31, 17:51
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 13:35
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Kermit,
2020-01-31, 11:36
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Vortech,
2020-01-31, 17:59
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 19:10
- The place where design gets compromised . . . -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 20:24
- Disagree -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 21:03
- Examples? - Claude Errera, 2020-01-31, 21:36
- Halo 2 called, it wants its final third back. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-01, 03:13
- Those are often time constraints too -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 03:27
- Those are often time constraints too -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 07:51
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 09:35
- Try reading that again -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:13
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 10:43
- Try reading that again - Cody Miller, 2020-02-01, 12:49
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 10:43
- Try reading that again -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 10:13
- Try reading that again -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 09:35
- Those are often time constraints too -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-01, 07:51
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 10:17
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 12:25
- Could fund more dev time. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 14:15
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:13
- WTF are you talking about -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 15:28
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:42
- WTF are you talking about -
ZackDark,
2020-02-02, 20:05
- WTF are you talking about - Cody Miller, 2020-02-02, 21:55
- WTF are you talking about -
ZackDark,
2020-02-02, 20:05
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:42
- WTF are you talking about -
cheapLEY,
2020-02-02, 15:28
- WTF are you talking about -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 15:13
- Could fund more dev time. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-02-02, 14:15
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. - someotherguy, 2020-02-02, 15:16
- I noticed you ignored my counterexample. -
Cody Miller,
2020-02-02, 12:25
- Those are often time constraints too -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 03:27
- To quote Claude- Examples? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:03
- Any game with a cool feature cut “for time” ever. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 02:46
- Time is a fictional construct in this example? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:57
- To the same extent as money. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 16:35
- I have literally no idea what point you're making - someotherguy, 2020-02-01, 16:42
- To the same extent as money. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 16:35
- Time is a fictional construct in this example? -
someotherguy,
2020-02-01, 02:57
- Any game with a cool feature cut “for time” ever. -
Harmanimus,
2020-02-01, 02:46
- Disagree -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 21:03
- The place where design gets compromised . . . -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-31, 20:24
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 19:10
- Not the least bit unfair. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-31, 10:38
- Not the least bit unfair. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-30, 18:52
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:46
- Addendum -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:39
- Addendum -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:37
- Lemme fix that for you - cheapLEY, 2020-01-30, 15:42
- Not really how words work, is it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:33
- Lemme fix that for you -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 15:28
- Lemme fix that for you -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 15:25
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-30, 13:52
- Someone will -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:56
- Who cares? -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-29, 22:15
- You said "Who cares?" Plenty of people care. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-29, 15:47
- Who cares? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 15:06
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 15:49
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:24
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:54
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:19
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:35
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:45
- *thinking emoji* - someotherguy, 2020-01-29, 17:55
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:45
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:35
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 17:19
- This old chestnut again -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:54
- This old chestnut again -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 16:24
- Speaking of reductive… -
Vortech,
2020-01-31, 14:52
- Speaking of reductive… - someotherguy, 2020-02-01, 02:01
- Bit reductive and you know it -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-29, 13:54
- Bit reductive and you know it -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 13:42
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 16:41
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- I only answered your question. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:27
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 20:37
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:54
- Fair Enough -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-30, 06:58
- Fair Enough - Harmanimus, 2020-01-30, 08:01
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 11:55
- Fair Enough - Claude Errera, 2020-01-30, 12:05
- Fair Enough -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-30, 06:58
- Fair Enough -
someotherguy,
2020-01-30, 04:54
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 20:37
- I only answered your question. -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 17:27
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts - Cody Miller, 2020-01-29, 18:59
- I only answered your question. -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-29, 17:18
- this^ - Kermit, 2020-01-29, 20:22
- Sigh, see previous post about moving goalposts -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 16:53
- Ugh, you can now buy SUROS Regime with real money -
squidnh3,
2020-01-29, 13:23