I'd argue that it's among the worst things that 343 did... (Destiny)
Yesterday was crazy. Sorry for not replying sooner! :)
That so-called "pro-team" did exactly what I was afraid they'd do when I first heard of them. They put way too much emphasis on ranged weaponry, short TTK, and fast movement, forcing changes to all non-ranged weaponry. They butchered the sandbox, and the game just feels like a poor man's Black Ops 3. And I'm a higher-tier player, so I was able to survive well enough in the game, but it sure as heck wasn't Halo anymore thanks to the "Pro Team".
CODY: You can argue that's exactly what they wanted. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, since I don't own or play Halo 5, but tastes and trends do evolve over time. Especially given that MCC ostensibly preserves the classic experience, it would be kind of foolish to keep everything the same. New game, new feel. Halo 2 sure didn't feel like Halo in multiplayer. It is an okay to evolve the game feel, just as it is also okay for players to prefer something else. The mere fact that there is change is not nessesarily a point to criticize. Not being a player I have no idea if the changes work within the framework of the game or not, but the response has been mostly positive anecdotally.
I'm with Cody on this. They wanted to move the franchise mechanics forward. The speed of the game was part of that. I think they did very good job of doing that without breaking it (compared to Halo 4 IMO). It still has one of the lowest TTK in any major FPS. I think the sandbox is one of the most solid in terms of balance (They don't have to have a Twitch stream to announce all their balancing changes lol). I'm not sure how much you played, but after playing pretty consistently, I think each weapon is unique and useful in certain circumstances now (Halo 4 did not do this).
(And then 343 started adding in variants of every weapon, so half the time, if you find a weapon on the battlefield, you have no idea what to expect if you pick it up. Will this SAW fire normally, or will it shoot Christmas-themed confetti? Who knows! Sandbox balance!)
Again, I'm not sure how much you played but these are actually very rare in competitive. Obviously they're predominate in Warzone and Fiesta, but their might be one on each arena map; so probably not half the time ;) Each one has a visual difference from the default weapon, so if you know them well enough you'll know which version it is. And they can actually balance the map much easier without changing how a weapon works every three months.
It took me coming from Destiny PvP to really appreciate how good Halo 5 PvP is. I like both in their own right, but Halo's is just more solid for team based, balanced MP.
Complete thread:
- Reminder: Sandbox Update Stream at 10 AM Pacific Today -
CyberKN,
2017-02-08, 15:26
- Thanks for the reminder! - Beorn, 2017-02-08, 15:57
- They nerfed everything. -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 15:59
- They nerfed everything. - nico, 2017-02-09, 03:17
- Some Raw Weapon Stats: - CyberKN, 2017-02-08, 16:16
- RIP shotguns, sidearm is the new Meta -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 16:25
- Sidearm really will be the new Meta -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 16:55
- NLB + Sidearm will continue to be a great load out :) - BeardFade, 2017-02-08, 17:03
- Also: 20%damage buff in PvE, to make up for no crits -
CyberKN,
2017-02-08, 21:16
- Thx, was wondering about that - stabbim, 2017-02-09, 03:38
- Just Got UR In A Drop. Sign? - Morpheus, 2017-02-09, 15:25
- Correction - unoudid, 2017-02-09, 15:27
- Sidearm really will be the new Meta -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 16:55
- Pulse Changes: - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 16:31
- Low RoF Pulse rifles can two-tap again. -
CyberKN,
2017-02-08, 16:32
- Low RoF Pulse rifles can two-tap again. - Korny, 2017-02-08, 17:11
- Low RoF Pulse rifles can two-tap again. -
Claude Errera,
2017-02-08, 18:57
- Low RoF Pulse rifles can two-tap again. - stabbim, 2017-02-08, 19:09
- They never stopped being able to two shot, I don't think... -
Ragashingo,
2017-02-08, 19:24
- They never stopped being able to two shot, I don't think... -
stabbim,
2017-02-08, 19:38
- They never stopped being able to two shot, I don't think... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-02-08, 19:50
- The TTK is higher than it was, it's quicker to use others - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 19:56
- They never stopped being able to two shot, I don't think... - stabbim, 2017-02-08, 20:10
- They never stopped being able to two shot, I don't think... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-02-08, 19:50
- They never stopped being able to two shot, I don't think... -
stabbim,
2017-02-08, 19:38
- Changes to Assault Rifles -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 16:34
- Time for field scout vanquisher to come out of the vault! -
Funkmon,
2017-02-08, 18:28
- LOL. Forgot they nerfed Field Scout. Nevermind. - Funkmon, 2017-02-08, 18:28
- Time for field scout vanquisher to come out of the vault! -
Funkmon,
2017-02-08, 18:28
- Changes to Hand Cannons - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 16:40
- Special ammo is lost upon death (like heavy) -
CyberKN,
2017-02-08, 16:41
- Includes Elimination -
BeardFade,
2017-02-08, 16:44
- Includes Elimination - Cody Miller, 2017-02-08, 18:41
- Clarification: Both teams lose it. - CyberKN, 2017-02-08, 21:47
- 60 second respawn timer on special crates - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 16:51
- Special ammo is lost upon death (like heavy) -
squidnh3,
2017-02-08, 17:07
- They always nerf fusions TBH - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 17:09
- Special ammo is lost upon death (like heavy) - bluerunner, 2017-02-08, 19:16
- Special ammo is lost upon death (like heavy) -
Robot Chickens,
2017-02-08, 17:15
- Special ammo is lost upon death (like heavy) - Kahzgul, 2017-02-09, 06:42
- Bad choice -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-08, 17:59
- Bad choice -
squidnh3,
2017-02-08, 18:18
- Bad choice -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-08, 18:37
- Not just the crucible, the entire game. -
ProbablyLast,
2017-02-08, 18:43
- Not just the crucible, the entire game. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-02-08, 22:18
- Truth. =) - slycrel, 2017-02-09, 13:49
- Not just the crucible, the entire game. - stabbim, 2017-02-09, 15:22
- Not just the crucible, the entire game. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-02-08, 22:18
- I agree. The future looks bleak. - Funkmon, 2017-02-08, 22:17
- Not just the crucible, the entire game. -
ProbablyLast,
2017-02-08, 18:43
- Bad choice -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-08, 18:37
- Bad choice - ShadowDancing, 2017-02-08, 21:06
- Bad choice -
squidnh3,
2017-02-08, 18:18
- Oh Dear Lord. - Morpheus, 2017-02-08, 18:18
- Rescue mag is now god tier - Kahzgul, 2017-02-09, 06:42
- Includes Elimination -
BeardFade,
2017-02-08, 16:44
- Hunter Changes -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 16:46
- Hunter Changes - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 16:59
- Hunter Changes - Cody Miller, 2017-02-08, 18:31
- Warlock Changes: -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 16:47
- Unclear On What That Means. -
Morpheus,
2017-02-08, 18:19
- Unclear On What That Means. -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 18:49
- Unclear On What That Means. -
bluerunner,
2017-02-08, 19:20
- Unclear On What That Means. -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 19:32
- Unclear On What That Means. - BeardFade, 2017-02-08, 19:54
- Unclear On What That Means. -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 19:32
- Unclear On What That Means. -
bluerunner,
2017-02-08, 19:20
- Unclear On What That Means. -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 18:49
- Unclear On What That Means. -
Morpheus,
2017-02-08, 18:19
- Titan Changes: -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 16:48
- Titan Changes: - BeardFade, 2017-02-08, 19:55
- BNG Staff looks like they are really bad at PvP -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 16:53
- Deej was pretty bad for the DBO Bungie Bounty -
BeardFade,
2017-02-08, 16:55
- This is painful to watch - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 16:57
- Ok... Watching them play... -
BeardFade,
2017-02-08, 17:00
- Ok... Watching them play... -
Robot Chickens,
2017-02-08, 17:06
- Ok... Watching them play... - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 17:10
- play-testing isn't skill based -
kidtsunami,
2017-02-08, 17:41
- There are some - Beorn, 2017-02-08, 18:05
- One GREAT thing 343 did... -
breitzen,
2017-02-09, 13:53
- I'd argue that it's among the worst things that 343 did... -
Korny,
2017-02-09, 14:37
- I'd argue that it's among the worst things that 343 did... -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 14:59
- I'd argue that it's among the worst things that 343 did... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-02-09, 17:06
- I feel very strongly that you're wrong - kidtsunami, 2017-02-09, 15:16
- I'd argue that it's among the worst things that 343 did... - Durandal, 2017-02-09, 18:03
- It's definitely not one of my favourite things. - Funkmon, 2017-02-09, 18:04
- I'd argue that it's among the worst things that 343 did... - breitzen, 2017-02-10, 19:42
- I'd argue that it's among the worst things that 343 did... -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 14:59
- I'd argue that it's among the worst things that 343 did... -
Korny,
2017-02-09, 14:37
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-02-08, 20:22
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) - stabbim, 2017-02-08, 20:59
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-08, 21:05
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-02-08, 22:06
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-02-09, 12:15
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 13:21
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-02-09, 13:24
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 14:10
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-02-09, 15:15
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 15:20
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-02-09, 16:31
- I'm with Cody here - Kahzgul, 2017-02-11, 06:48
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-02-09, 16:31
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 15:20
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-02-09, 15:15
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 14:10
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-02-09, 13:43
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-02-09, 13:24
- Absolutely. - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-02-09, 13:34
- They are vastly different skill sets (with some overlap) -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 13:21
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA -
Kahzgul,
2017-02-09, 17:10
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 17:24
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA -
Durandal,
2017-02-09, 18:05
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-02-09, 19:34
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA - Kahzgul, 2017-02-11, 06:37
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-02-09, 19:34
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA - Kahzgul, 2017-02-11, 05:59
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA -
Durandal,
2017-02-09, 18:05
- If I am an expert noob, can I have a job? -
Funkmon,
2017-02-09, 17:58
- If I am an expert noob, can I have a job? - Kahzgul, 2017-02-11, 06:09
- I believe you are "in error where the truth is involved." -
Ragashingo,
2017-02-09, 17:59
- I believe speculation is exactly that. - Kahzgul, 2017-02-11, 06:24
- I've done sandbox FPS PvP balances before, AMA -
Cody Miller,
2017-02-09, 17:24
- Ok... Watching them play... -
Robot Chickens,
2017-02-08, 17:06
- Deej was pretty bad for the DBO Bungie Bounty -
BeardFade,
2017-02-08, 16:55
- Exotic changes: (not finished) - unoudid, 2017-02-08, 16:59
- Artifact's untouched -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 17:00
- Artifact's untouched -
squidnh3,
2017-02-08, 17:21
- Maybe teams with sunsingers? - kidtsunami, 2017-02-08, 17:41
- Artifact's untouched -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 17:43
- Artifact's untouched -
squidnh3,
2017-02-08, 18:17
- Artifact's untouched -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 19:07
- Artifact's untouched - ShadowDancing, 2017-02-08, 21:12
- Artifact's untouched -
unoudid,
2017-02-08, 19:07
- Artifact's untouched -
squidnh3,
2017-02-08, 18:17
- Artifact's untouched - Funkmon, 2017-02-08, 22:22
- Artifact's untouched -
squidnh3,
2017-02-08, 17:21
- Lol. - ProbablyLast, 2017-02-08, 18:22
- Reminder: Sandbox Update Stream at 10 AM Pacific Today - Ragashingo, 2017-02-09, 02:11