I agree with Leviathan . . . (Gaming)
Yeah, I feel you man. There's a lot of passion and energy I think in the discussions these days and it can be exhausting.
One thing I will say regarding the whole Activision meddling thing is that... It's not definitive proof that they are screwing everything up behind the scenes, but it is evidence of at least one occasion where Activision did meddle in a way that Bungie employees felt was inappropriate or unexpected (remember that Ryan actually did side with Marty about Activision's overreach). Honestly reading it it seems like Activision just came in and did a switcheroo on Bungie without telling them it was going to happen or anything. Pretty crappy thing to do even if it was just a press reveal.
So saying that nothing was proved isn't really accurate, I think it's a little more grey than that. Did it prove some deep involvement by Activision trying to direct and control aspects of the game? No, but it did show at least one instance where they steamrolled what Bungie wanted to do and did their own thing. So it doesn't exactly take an overactive imagination to suspect that they may have done similar things in other areas of development.
Activision has a reputation, and they didn't get it because they've left wonderful feelings and experiences wherever they go. I think it's pretty normal to not want your favorite developer to become entangled with an entity with a track record like Activision, and I think that concern and worry is what drives a lot of the anti-Activision sentiment.
I'll add at the end, since I know there are people on the board who have some connection to Activision, I'm sure there are wonderful people there who work hard and just want to make kick ass games. It's more the executives (think Bobby Kotick) who are worrisome.
Complete thread:
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
CyberKN,
2015-09-05, 01:09
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:06
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 02:18
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - breitzen, 2015-09-05, 02:43
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:47
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 13:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 14:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-09-05, 19:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-05, 20:19
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:51
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 21:01
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:51
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
dogcow,
2015-09-05, 23:24
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 16:50
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 15:21
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-05, 15:30
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:31
- +1 -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Divorce? You mean we get two Christmases! - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 16:46
- Yeah. - RaichuKFM, 2015-09-05, 16:51
- +1 -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- You made your point fine. - PsychoRaven, 2015-09-05, 18:01
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 17:52
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-09-05, 19:44
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:43
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 14:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 13:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - narcogen, 2015-09-07, 23:04
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 02:18
- Well, I never thought we'd find out what happened this quick - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 02:57
- Wow -
car15,
2015-09-05, 04:15
- tl;dr = fucking Activision, bad times Marty -
Raflection,
2015-09-05, 04:22
- I said explicitly that Marty behaved unprofessionally - car15, 2015-09-05, 04:27
- Wow - Schooly D, 2015-09-05, 05:05
- Wow - Ragashingo, 2015-09-05, 14:23
- Wow - FyreWulff, 2015-09-05, 19:14
- tl;dr = fucking Activision, bad times Marty -
Raflection,
2015-09-05, 04:22
- Poor Bungie -
Ze Moose,
2015-09-05, 04:38
- We get to experience the great publisher for another 9 years - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 06:33
- Poor Bungie -
ncsuDuncan,
2015-09-05, 13:08
- Poor Bungie -
car15,
2015-09-05, 13:16
- Poor Bungie - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 13:27
- Is there something wrong with Halo 2? -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:50
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 16:52
- +2 -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 19:51
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:47
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:01
- Poor reading comprehension? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-05, 22:06
- Poor reading comprehension? -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:21
- Poor reading comprehension? -
Avateur,
2015-09-05, 23:03
- Poor reading comprehension? - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:16
- Poor reading comprehension? -
Avateur,
2015-09-05, 23:03
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 04:29
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 11:39
- or throw a wobbly -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 13:50
- Get bent. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:09
- #shotsfired -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:15
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:24
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:36
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 17:40
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:54
- Calm down. All of you. -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 18:03
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:05
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:07
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:13
- Calm down. All of you. - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:15
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:13
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:07
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:05
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:04
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:06
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:17
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:27
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:33
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:46
- Missed my point completely - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:56
- Missed my point completely -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 19:09
- That picnic ... -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:20
- That picnic ... - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 21:52
- That picnic ... -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:20
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:46
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:33
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:27
- Missed my point completely -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:19
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:32
- Missed my point completely - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 18:55
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:32
- Missed my point completely - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 19:20
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:17
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:06
- Calm down. All of you. - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2015-09-09, 03:25
- Calm down. All of you. -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 18:03
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:54
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 17:40
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 18:14
- Something to think about. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:43
- And this... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 19:52
- Something to think about. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:43
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:36
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:24
- #shotsfired -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:15
- Get bent. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:09
- or throw a wobbly -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 13:50
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 11:39
- Poor reading comprehension? -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:21
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 22:11
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:25
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:01
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 22:54
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:59
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 23:03
- Stop. Cool off. Be nice to each other. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 04:54
- Stop. Cool off. Be nice to each other. - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:14
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:59
- Poor reading comprehension? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-05, 22:06
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:01
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 14:35
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:47
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- +2 -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 19:51
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 16:52
- Poor Bungie -
car15,
2015-09-05, 13:16
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
EffortlessFury,
2015-09-05, 16:17
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:24
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Funkmon,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Monochron,
2015-09-05, 17:20
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - dogcow, 2015-09-07, 14:22
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Monochron,
2015-09-05, 17:20
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Funkmon,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 18:35
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:24
- Performance reviews - Monochron, 2015-09-05, 17:09
- Now I feel bad for liking all that Zep... -
ZackDark,
2015-09-05, 18:29
- Now I feel bad for liking all that Zep... - dogcow, 2015-09-07, 14:25
- Activision - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 19:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 20:24
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2015-09-05, 20:36
- How dare you be level headed! - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:38
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CyberKN,
2015-09-05, 20:49
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:13
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 22:34
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 23:20
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-06, 04:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 05:53
- I don't have all year ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-06, 11:39
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 14:48
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:54
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:52
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-06, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:52
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:54
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 05:53
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-06, 04:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 23:20
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 22:34
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:13
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:56
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 21:23
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:26
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:57
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:50
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-07, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-07, 20:08
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-07, 23:31
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-07, 20:08
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-07, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:50
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:57
- +1 -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 21:58
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P -
Funkmon,
2015-09-06, 01:05
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-06, 12:32
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P -
Funkmon,
2015-09-06, 01:05
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- It is our business... -
naturl selexion,
2015-09-05, 23:06
- It is our business... -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 05:02
- It is our business... -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:12
- It is our business... -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:19
- It is our business... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 19:51
- It is our business... -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:19
- It is our business... -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:12
- It is our business... -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 05:02
- What does move on mean in this context? -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 04:43
- It means . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:50
- It means . . . - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:24
- It means . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:50
- Yay for Marty! - dogcow, 2015-09-05, 23:10
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
car15,
2015-09-06, 00:13
- This is starting to feel like gossip to me. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 04:45
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:07
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 00:44
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
car15,
2015-09-06, 01:14
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-06, 12:29
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
breitzen,
2015-09-06, 12:51
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:11
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
RaichuKFM,
2015-09-07, 13:13
- petetheduck works for Bungie, right? Let's ask him...? :) -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:27
- He does? Since when?! -
Quirel,
2015-09-09, 04:05
- He doesn't - Avateur, 2015-09-09, 23:40
- He does? Since when?! -
Quirel,
2015-09-09, 04:05
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
Leviathan,
2015-09-07, 13:55
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? - Xenos, 2015-09-07, 14:12
- petetheduck works for Bungie, right? Let's ask him...? :) -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:27
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
RaichuKFM,
2015-09-07, 13:13
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:11
- Yes. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
breitzen,
2015-09-06, 12:51
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-06, 12:29
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow - FoolsRun, 2015-09-08, 10:33
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
car15,
2015-09-06, 01:14
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:45
- Everyone participating in this thread should read this. -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:22
- Agreed. #Kermitismyhero - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 17:28
- Well said. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:50
- Well done, Kermit :) - Lawnmower172, 2015-09-06, 19:05
- Good! -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 19:19
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:26
- Good! -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 21:28
- Good! - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 21:44
- Good! -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-06, 22:48
- I bet that Sir Paul reads this forum, I should post more ;) - Pyromancy, 2015-09-07, 12:37
- Good! -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 21:28
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:26
- Everyone participating in this thread should read this. -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:22
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-12, 15:02
- No, and I can say with confidence: they won't. - Xenos, 2015-09-12, 15:31
- Former bosses happy with ruling, not happy with Marty - General Vagueness, 2015-09-13, 02:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:06