It is our business... (Gaming)

by naturl selexion, Saturday, September 05, 2015, 23:06 (3370 days ago) @ cheapLEY

But the bottom line is this: it's really not our business what happened. Whether Activision interfered, or whether Bungie scrapped things and started over, or anything else, they shipped Destiny. Maybe they shipped exactly the game they wanted to make. Either you like it or you don't; that should be the end of it. There doesn't need to be blame laid at anyone's feet. If you don't like it, move on. Why can't it be that simple?

Destiny is a good game. I think we all agree on that. I also think that most of us agree that it could have been better. Some of us think that it was going to be better - but some weird stuff happened at Bungie and things got changed. There is evidence to support this.

I will tell you that I played Destiny, or a version of it, 18 months before it was released. I don't remember it that well, in part because while I was twiddling thumbsticks in Bellevue, my mother was in Seattle having open heart surgery. I was in a bit of a fog that day.

When I played the real thing in September, I was disappointed. It did not have the depth that I expected - not even close. Many people feel the same and they want to know why. I would think that a Destiny forum would be the perfect place for such discussion.

As far as it not being our business what happened... why shouldn't it be our business? We are the ones paying for the game, keeping the community active and investing hundreds of hours of our time into this game. Bungie has said countless times that they do listen to their community, that they value this community. I think those facts give us permission to gripe about stupid things that they did. It is feedback. It won't change what has already happened but it may affect what happens in the future. If we all adopted the "take it or leave it" attitude, Destiny would not be the same game it is now.

When Bungie tells us that they don't want to hear what we have to say, that is when I'll move on.

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Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - CyberKN, 2015-09-05, 01:09
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Leviathan, 2015-09-05, 02:06
  - I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Schooly D, 2015-09-05, 02:18
    - I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - breitzen, 2015-09-05, 02:43
    - I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Leviathan, 2015-09-05, 02:47
      - I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Schooly D, 2015-09-05, 13:41
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Jillybean, 2015-09-05, 14:27
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-09-05, 19:41
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Cody Miller, 2015-09-05, 20:19
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 20:51
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:53
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 21:01
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - dogcow, 2015-09-05, 23:24
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 16:50
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Leviathan, 2015-09-05, 15:21
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-05, 15:30
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 16:31
        
        +1 - red robber, 2015-09-05, 16:39
        
        Divorce? You mean we get two Christmases! - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 16:46
        
        Yeah. - RaichuKFM, 2015-09-05, 16:51
        
        You made your point fine. - PsychoRaven, 2015-09-05, 18:01
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 17:52
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-09-05, 19:44
        
        I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:43
    - I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - narcogen, 2015-09-07, 23:04
- Well, I never thought we'd find out what happened this quick - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 02:57
- Wow - car15, 2015-09-05, 04:15
  - tl;dr = fucking Activision, bad times Marty - Raflection, 2015-09-05, 04:22
    - I said explicitly that Marty behaved unprofessionally - car15, 2015-09-05, 04:27
  - Wow - Schooly D, 2015-09-05, 05:05
    - Wow - iconicbanana, 2015-09-05, 05:08
      - Wow - Leviathan, 2015-09-05, 05:43
      - Wow - Cody Miller, 2015-09-06, 01:12
        
        Wow - car15, 2015-09-06, 01:20
        
        Good point. - Cody Miller, 2015-09-06, 01:26
        
        Wow - cheapLEY, 2015-09-06, 02:04
  - Wow - Ragashingo, 2015-09-05, 14:23
    - Wow - Avateur, 2015-09-05, 22:57
      - Wow - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:02
  - Wow - FyreWulff, 2015-09-05, 19:14
    - +1 - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 19:18
    - Wow - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 19:34
      - Wow - FyreWulff, 2015-09-05, 19:45
        
        Wow - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 20:14
        
        Wow - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 20:35
        
        Wow - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 20:49
- Poor Bungie - Ze Moose, 2015-09-05, 04:38
  - We get to experience the great publisher for another 9 years - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 06:33
  - Poor Bungie - ncsuDuncan, 2015-09-05, 13:08
    - Poor Bungie - car15, 2015-09-05, 13:16
      - Poor Bungie - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 13:27
      - Is there something wrong with Halo 2? - red robber, 2015-09-05, 16:50
        
        +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-05, 16:52
        
        +2 - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 19:51
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - car15, 2015-09-05, 21:41
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 21:47
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - car15, 2015-09-05, 22:01
        
        Poor reading comprehension? - iconicbanana, 2015-09-05, 22:06
        
        Poor reading comprehension? - car15, 2015-09-05, 22:21
        
        Poor reading comprehension? - Avateur, 2015-09-05, 23:03
        
        Poor reading comprehension? - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:16
        
        Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? - scarab, 2015-09-06, 04:29
        
        Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? - iconicbanana, 2015-09-06, 11:39
        
        or throw a wobbly - scarab, 2015-09-06, 13:50
        
        Get bent. - iconicbanana, 2015-09-06, 17:09
        
        #shotsfired - car15, 2015-09-06, 17:15
        
        Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. - iconicbanana, 2015-09-06, 17:24
        
        Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. - car15, 2015-09-06, 17:36
        
        Calm down. All of you. - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 17:40
        
        Calm down. All of you. - car15, 2015-09-06, 17:54
        
        Calm down. All of you. - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 18:03
        
        Calm down. All of you. - car15, 2015-09-06, 18:05
        
        Calm down. All of you. - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:07
        
        Calm down. All of you. - car15, 2015-09-06, 18:13
        
        Calm down. All of you. - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:15
        
        Missed my point completely - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:04
        
        Missed my point completely - car15, 2015-09-06, 18:06
        
        Missed my point completely - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:17
        
        Missed my point completely - car15, 2015-09-06, 18:27
        
        Missed my point completely - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:33
        
        Missed my point completely - car15, 2015-09-06, 18:46
        
        Missed my point completely - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:56
        
        Missed my point completely - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 19:09
        
        That picnic ... - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 19:20
        
        That picnic ... - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 21:52
        
        Missed my point completely - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 18:19
        
        Missed my point completely - car15, 2015-09-06, 18:32
        
        Missed my point completely - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 18:55
        
        Missed my point completely - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 19:20
        
        Calm down. All of you. - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2015-09-09, 03:25
        
        Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. - scarab, 2015-09-06, 18:14
        
        Something to think about. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 18:43
        
        And this... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 19:52
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 22:11
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 22:25
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:01
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 22:54
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - car15, 2015-09-05, 22:59
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 23:03
        
        Stop. Cool off. Be nice to each other. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 04:54
        
        Stop. Cool off. Be nice to each other. - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:14
        
        C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 14:35
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - EffortlessFury, 2015-09-05, 16:17
  - Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 16:24
    - Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 16:39
      - Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - Monochron, 2015-09-05, 17:20
        
        Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - dogcow, 2015-09-07, 14:22
  - Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 18:35
- Performance reviews - Monochron, 2015-09-05, 17:09
- Now I feel bad for liking all that Zep... - ZackDark, 2015-09-05, 18:29
  - Now I feel bad for liking all that Zep... - dogcow, 2015-09-07, 14:25
- Activision - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 19:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 20:24
  - +1 - Claude Errera, 2015-09-05, 20:36
  - How dare you be level headed! - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:38
  - I agree with Leviathan . . . - CyberKN, 2015-09-05, 20:49
    - I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 21:13
      - I agree with Leviathan . . . - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-05, 22:34
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 23:20
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-06, 04:00
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - Cody Miller, 2015-09-06, 05:53
        
        I don't have all year ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-06, 11:39
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 14:48
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-06, 14:54
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 16:52
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-06, 17:18
  - I agree with Leviathan . . . - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 20:53
    - I agree with Leviathan . . . - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:56
    - I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 21:23
  - I agree with Leviathan . . . - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 21:26
    - I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 21:41
      - I agree with Leviathan . . . - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 21:57
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 22:50
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-07, 17:18
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - General Vagueness, 2015-09-07, 20:08
        
        I agree with Leviathan . . . - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-07, 23:31
    - +1 - Jillybean, 2015-09-05, 21:58
      - Explain Bungie.net then. :P - Funkmon, 2015-09-06, 01:05
        
        Explain Bungie.net then. :P - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-06, 12:32
  - It is our business... - naturl selexion, 2015-09-05, 23:06
    - It is our business... - scarab, 2015-09-06, 05:02
      - It is our business... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 17:12
        
        It is our business... - car15, 2015-09-06, 17:19
        
        It is our business... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 19:51
  - What does move on mean in this context? - scarab, 2015-09-06, 04:43
    - It means . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-06, 14:50
      - It means . . . - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:24
- Yay for Marty! - dogcow, 2015-09-05, 23:10
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - car15, 2015-09-06, 00:13
  - This is starting to feel like gossip to me. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 04:45
  - Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:07
    - u mad? - car15, 2015-09-06, 16:53
      - u mad? - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 17:00
        
        u mad? - car15, 2015-09-06, 17:16
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow - Avateur, 2015-09-06, 00:44
  - Jaime Griesemer's take is wow - car15, 2015-09-06, 01:14
    - Jaime Griesemer's take is wow - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-06, 12:29
      - There are lots of good people at bungie - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 12:51
        
        There are lots of good people at bungie - car15, 2015-09-06, 17:28
        
        There are lots of good people at bungie - Pyromancy, 2015-09-07, 13:11
        
        ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? - RaichuKFM, 2015-09-07, 13:13
        
        petetheduck works for Bungie, right? Let's ask him...? :) - Pyromancy, 2015-09-07, 13:27
        
        He does? Since when?! - Quirel, 2015-09-09, 04:05
        
        He doesn't - Avateur, 2015-09-09, 23:40
        
        ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? - Leviathan, 2015-09-07, 13:55
        
        ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? - Xenos, 2015-09-07, 14:12
        
        Yes. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:28
        
        Yes. - car15, 2015-09-06, 17:32
        
        Yes. - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 17:35
        
        Yes. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:48
        
        Yes. - Cody Miller, 2015-09-06, 19:28
        
        Yes. - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-07, 04:48
  - Jaime Griesemer's take is wow - FoolsRun, 2015-09-08, 10:33
- Good! - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 16:45
  - Everyone participating in this thread should read this. - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 17:22
    - Agreed. #Kermitismyhero - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 17:28
  - Well said. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:50
  - Well done, Kermit :) - Lawnmower172, 2015-09-06, 19:05
  - Good! - Cody Miller, 2015-09-06, 19:19
    - Good! - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 19:26
      - Good! - Avateur, 2015-09-06, 21:28
        
        Good! - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 21:44
        
        Good! - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 22:48
        
        I bet that Sir Paul reads this forum, I should post more ;) - Pyromancy, 2015-09-07, 12:37
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-12, 15:02
  - No, and I can say with confidence: they won't. - Xenos, 2015-09-12, 15:31
- Former bosses happy with ruling, not happy with Marty - General Vagueness, 2015-09-13, 02:27

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