I agree with Leviathan . . . (Gaming)
I really can't argue with that, as I was completely offline from January 2014 to October 2014, so missed the large majority of the marketing push. I really only saw the initial E3 demo in 2013 and whatever small subsequent bits we got later that year.
But from the trailers I've looked up since then, I haven't seen anything really off tone. Granted, I assume most of what people have issues with are things said in Weekly Updates and such, which I completely missed out on, so I can't comment on in any meaningful way.
There were some very specific things Bungie talked about in the lead up to launch that ended up being quite far off from the shipping game. I'm thinking specifically of the way Gear acquisition would work. Bungie told us that we'd be able to ask someone "hey, where did you get that awesome gun?" And they'd reply "well first you go here and fight this thing, then you go here... etc". They pushed the idea that weapons would have specific stories behind earning them. As we know, that really isn't the case at all (aside from 1 or 2 weapons). The story is just "I bought it" or "I played 300 nightfall strikes until it dropped".Again, I'm not complaining, just pointing out a fairly meaningful difference between what we were told to expect and what we got.
Well, the fact that it was true in some cases gives Bungie an out to an extent. They didn't lie. And they probably honestly believed it to be truer more often than it ended up being.
The other area that I think blindsided people was the story. It's difficult to pin story-related expectations on Bungie beyond the fact that most of us have played at least some of the Halo games and were therefore expecting something similar in depth and execution. I think many people were expecting a grand, galaxy-spanning space opera. I think Destiny aimed to deliver that, but just failed to meet most players' expectations of quality in that department.
This has to do with legacy expectations, and this is why I think DeeJ and urk had among the hardest jobs in the gaming industry leading up to Destiny's launch. Many of us complained about not being given much information about the story before launch, but we heard enough relative to how much was there. We projected the rest. (My current theory is that the ten-year narrative will surpass anything they've done before, but Destiny year 1 was focused on setting the stage.)
Complete thread:
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
CyberKN,
2015-09-05, 01:09
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:06
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 02:18
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - breitzen, 2015-09-05, 02:43
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:47
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 13:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 14:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-09-05, 19:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-05, 20:19
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:51
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 21:01
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:51
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
dogcow,
2015-09-05, 23:24
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 16:50
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 15:21
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-05, 15:30
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:31
- +1 -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Divorce? You mean we get two Christmases! - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 16:46
- Yeah. - RaichuKFM, 2015-09-05, 16:51
- +1 -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- You made your point fine. - PsychoRaven, 2015-09-05, 18:01
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 17:52
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-09-05, 19:44
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:43
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 14:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 13:41
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... - narcogen, 2015-09-07, 23:04
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Schooly D,
2015-09-05, 02:18
- Well, I never thought we'd find out what happened this quick - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 02:57
- Wow -
car15,
2015-09-05, 04:15
- tl;dr = fucking Activision, bad times Marty -
Raflection,
2015-09-05, 04:22
- I said explicitly that Marty behaved unprofessionally - car15, 2015-09-05, 04:27
- Wow - Schooly D, 2015-09-05, 05:05
- Wow - Ragashingo, 2015-09-05, 14:23
- Wow - FyreWulff, 2015-09-05, 19:14
- tl;dr = fucking Activision, bad times Marty -
Raflection,
2015-09-05, 04:22
- Poor Bungie -
Ze Moose,
2015-09-05, 04:38
- We get to experience the great publisher for another 9 years - Funkmon, 2015-09-05, 06:33
- Poor Bungie -
ncsuDuncan,
2015-09-05, 13:08
- Poor Bungie -
car15,
2015-09-05, 13:16
- Poor Bungie - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 13:27
- Is there something wrong with Halo 2? -
red robber,
2015-09-05, 16:50
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 16:52
- +2 -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 19:51
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:47
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:01
- Poor reading comprehension? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-05, 22:06
- Poor reading comprehension? -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:21
- Poor reading comprehension? -
Avateur,
2015-09-05, 23:03
- Poor reading comprehension? - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:16
- Poor reading comprehension? -
Avateur,
2015-09-05, 23:03
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 04:29
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 11:39
- or throw a wobbly -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 13:50
- Get bent. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:09
- #shotsfired -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:15
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:24
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:36
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 17:40
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:54
- Calm down. All of you. -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 18:03
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:05
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:07
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:13
- Calm down. All of you. - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:15
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:13
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:07
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:05
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:04
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:06
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:17
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:27
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:33
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:46
- Missed my point completely - Xenos, 2015-09-06, 18:56
- Missed my point completely -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 19:09
- That picnic ... -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:20
- That picnic ... - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 21:52
- That picnic ... -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:20
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:46
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:33
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:27
- Missed my point completely -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:19
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:32
- Missed my point completely - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 18:55
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:32
- Missed my point completely - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 19:20
- Missed my point completely -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 18:17
- Missed my point completely -
car15,
2015-09-06, 18:06
- Calm down. All of you. - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2015-09-09, 03:25
- Calm down. All of you. -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 18:03
- Calm down. All of you. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:54
- Calm down. All of you. -
Xenos,
2015-09-06, 17:40
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 18:14
- Something to think about. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:43
- And this... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 19:52
- Something to think about. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 18:43
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:36
- Poking holes in a strawman isn't shotsfired. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:24
- #shotsfired -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:15
- Get bent. -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 17:09
- or throw a wobbly -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 13:50
- Why would a simple statement of truth need nuance? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-06, 11:39
- Poor reading comprehension? -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:21
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 22:11
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:25
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - car15, 2015-09-05, 23:01
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 22:54
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:59
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 23:03
- Stop. Cool off. Be nice to each other. -
Leviathan,
2015-09-06, 04:54
- Stop. Cool off. Be nice to each other. - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:14
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:59
- Poor reading comprehension? -
iconicbanana,
2015-09-05, 22:06
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 22:01
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! - Kermit, 2015-09-06, 14:35
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:47
- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! -
car15,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- +2 -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 19:51
- +1 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 16:52
- Poor Bungie -
car15,
2015-09-05, 13:16
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
EffortlessFury,
2015-09-05, 16:17
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:24
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Funkmon,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Monochron,
2015-09-05, 17:20
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - dogcow, 2015-09-07, 14:22
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Monochron,
2015-09-05, 17:20
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Funkmon,
2015-09-05, 16:39
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-05, 18:35
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
Xenos,
2015-09-05, 16:24
- Performance reviews - Monochron, 2015-09-05, 17:09
- Now I feel bad for liking all that Zep... -
ZackDark,
2015-09-05, 18:29
- Now I feel bad for liking all that Zep... - dogcow, 2015-09-07, 14:25
- Activision - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-05, 19:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 20:24
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2015-09-05, 20:36
- How dare you be level headed! - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:38
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CyberKN,
2015-09-05, 20:49
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:13
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 22:34
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 23:20
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-06, 04:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 05:53
- I don't have all year ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-06, 11:39
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 14:48
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:54
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:52
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-06, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:52
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:54
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 05:53
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-06, 04:00
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 23:20
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-05, 22:34
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:13
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-05, 20:53
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - Xenos, 2015-09-05, 20:56
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-09-05, 21:23
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:26
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:57
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:50
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-07, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-07, 20:08
- I agree with Leviathan . . . - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-07, 23:31
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-07, 20:08
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-07, 17:18
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 22:50
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-05, 21:57
- +1 -
Jillybean,
2015-09-05, 21:58
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P -
Funkmon,
2015-09-06, 01:05
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P - Fuertisimo, 2015-09-06, 12:32
- Explain Bungie.net then. :P -
Funkmon,
2015-09-06, 01:05
- I agree with Leviathan . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-05, 21:41
- It is our business... -
naturl selexion,
2015-09-05, 23:06
- It is our business... -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 05:02
- It is our business... -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:12
- It is our business... -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:19
- It is our business... - Claude Errera, 2015-09-06, 19:51
- It is our business... -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:19
- It is our business... -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:12
- It is our business... -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 05:02
- What does move on mean in this context? -
scarab,
2015-09-06, 04:43
- It means . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:50
- It means . . . - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:24
- It means . . . -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-06, 14:50
- Yay for Marty! - dogcow, 2015-09-05, 23:10
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
car15,
2015-09-06, 00:13
- This is starting to feel like gossip to me. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 04:45
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses - General Vagueness, 2015-09-06, 15:07
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 00:44
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
car15,
2015-09-06, 01:14
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-06, 12:29
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
breitzen,
2015-09-06, 12:51
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:11
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
RaichuKFM,
2015-09-07, 13:13
- petetheduck works for Bungie, right? Let's ask him...? :) -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:27
- He does? Since when?! -
Quirel,
2015-09-09, 04:05
- He doesn't - Avateur, 2015-09-09, 23:40
- He does? Since when?! -
Quirel,
2015-09-09, 04:05
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
Leviathan,
2015-09-07, 13:55
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? - Xenos, 2015-09-07, 14:12
- petetheduck works for Bungie, right? Let's ask him...? :) -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:27
- ...How is posting here supporting Bungie, exactly? -
RaichuKFM,
2015-09-07, 13:13
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
Pyromancy,
2015-09-07, 13:11
- Yes. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
car15,
2015-09-06, 17:28
- There are lots of good people at bungie -
breitzen,
2015-09-06, 12:51
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
Fuertisimo,
2015-09-06, 12:29
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow - FoolsRun, 2015-09-08, 10:33
- Jaime Griesemer's take is wow -
car15,
2015-09-06, 01:14
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 16:45
- Everyone participating in this thread should read this. -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:22
- Agreed. #Kermitismyhero - breitzen, 2015-09-06, 17:28
- Well said. - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 17:50
- Well done, Kermit :) - Lawnmower172, 2015-09-06, 19:05
- Good! -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-06, 19:19
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:26
- Good! -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 21:28
- Good! - Leviathan, 2015-09-06, 21:44
- Good! -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-06, 22:48
- I bet that Sir Paul reads this forum, I should post more ;) - Pyromancy, 2015-09-07, 12:37
- Good! -
Avateur,
2015-09-06, 21:28
- Good! -
Kermit,
2015-09-06, 19:26
- Everyone participating in this thread should read this. -
Claude Errera,
2015-09-06, 17:22
- Marty O’Donnell wins epic legal fight with former bosses -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-12, 15:02
- No, and I can say with confidence: they won't. - Xenos, 2015-09-12, 15:31
- Former bosses happy with ruling, not happy with Marty - General Vagueness, 2015-09-13, 02:27
- I know people will pick sides (and have already done so)... -
Leviathan,
2015-09-05, 02:06