I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. (Destiny)
But let's take a step back here. I was quite negative on Marathon back when it was announced and my position today has not changed. I mean, just think about what the project represents. Bungie has spent over a decade fine-tuning one of the most miserable PvP experiences in modern gaming -- by almost every single metric -- and their Hail Mary move is to take that "expertise" to a PvP-exclusive title and double down on games-as-a-service? That's the play to secure the future of the company?
Really?!
It's not that I oppose PvP-centric games on principle or that I am necessarily against games-as-a-service. (It's often designed exploitatively, but it can work with smart designers at the helm.) It's just that I am not convinced by Bungie's strategy at all. How can you possibly think of going PvP-exclusive when your current PvP model is complete ass?! They can’t even get matchmaking right.
I definitely don't agree with this sentiment. Without PvP I would likely have moved on from Destiny a long time ago. As far as I'm concerned PvP kept this game alive through quite a few content droughts, and has been very playable with a few notable time period exceptions when certain abilities or weapons veered into the "silly" zone rather than just very powerful. I will agree that Bungie's "adjustments" are just as likely to make things worse as they are to improve them.
If you want replayability, there's no substitute for playing against other humans. PvE requires a large, constant effort to keep generating the 'E'. With PvP, you've just got to get the sandbox right (with the caveat that you've got to get it right pretty much right off the bat, so there are enough 'P's to make it all work). Then you can add maps or matchmaking adjustments or whatever to keep it fresh. What is seems to have cost them to maintain a GaS PvE for the past few years is "everything", so you can see the attraction of a PvP version.
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Kermit,
2023-10-30, 14:18
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- Final Shape delay to June 2024!??! Woah. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 14:48
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 16:33
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too.
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cheapLEY,
2023-10-30, 18:27
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too. - bluerunner, 2023-10-30, 18:51
- I saw that, it's so big I wanted to wait. It's Confirmed. :( -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 18:59
- Lorraine McLees (Mehve) got laid off too -
FyreWulff,
2023-10-30, 19:56
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-10-30, 21:36
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 18:52
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-11-02, 08:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
stabbim,
2023-11-02, 13:37
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-05, 16:03
- Holy shit *NM* -
bluerunner,
2023-11-05, 19:34
- Holy shit *NM* - SonofMacPhisto, 2023-11-07, 14:24
- Classic -
stabbim,
2023-11-13, 13:51
- Holy shit *NM* -
Kermit,
2023-11-06, 05:18
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-07, 14:25
- Holy shit *NM* - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-11-09, 09:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-07, 14:25
- Holy shit *NM* - stabbim, 2023-11-13, 13:51
- Holy shit *NM* -
bluerunner,
2023-11-05, 19:34
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-05, 16:03
- Holy shit *NM* -
stabbim,
2023-11-02, 13:37
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-11-02, 08:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 18:52
- Ugh. -
Kermit,
2023-10-31, 01:23
- Ugh. - SonofMacPhisto, 2023-11-01, 18:57
- WTF?!?! How do you fire LORRAINE? -
Anna Komnene,
2023-10-31, 05:35
- Feels like they should just rename the company at that point -
stabbim,
2023-11-02, 13:41
- How do you fire the designer of the Pillar of Autumn? -
Leviathan,
2023-11-03, 09:58
- How do you fire the designer of the Pillar of Autumn? - Cody Miller, 2023-11-03, 10:59
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-10-30, 21:36
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. - Yapok, 2023-11-03, 19:49
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too.
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 16:33
- bad news @ Bungie -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 15:07
- Mind your b's and p's. -
Vortech,
2023-10-30, 20:52
- What the hell is a pillion -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:26
- It's what you give Nathan Fillion when he's sick. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 19:11
- 🏆 -
CyberKN,
2023-11-01, 19:16
- *slow clap* -
stabbim,
2023-11-02, 13:42
- jeremiahjohnsonnod.gif -
Morpheus,
2023-11-03, 12:56
- 🏆
- It's what you give Nathan Fillion when he's sick.
- What the hell is a pillion
- Mind your b's and p's.
- bad news @ Bungie - cheapLEY, 2023-10-30, 15:14
- this fucking sucks -
kidtsunami,
2023-10-30, 17:04
- bad news @ Bungie -
FyreWulff,
2023-10-30, 19:42
- bad news @ Bungie - kidtsunami, 2023-10-31, 07:48
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Robot Chickens,
2023-10-30, 21:32
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:25
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 04:55
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 08:06
- $1.2 Billion -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 09:50
- More info: -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 10:50
- More info: -
Vortech,
2023-10-31, 14:02
- A LITTLE bit more info. - Vortech, 2023-10-31, 16:23
- More info: -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 14:51
- More info: - cheapLEY, 2023-10-31, 15:27
- More info: -
Vortech,
2023-10-31, 16:31
- More info: -
Kermit,
2023-10-31, 20:03
- More info: -
uberfoop,
2023-10-31, 22:05
- More info: - Kermit, 2023-11-01, 03:35
- More info: -
uberfoop,
2023-10-31, 22:05
- More info: - Cody Miller, 2023-10-31, 22:16
- More info: - uberfoop, 2023-10-31, 23:11
- More info: -
Kermit,
2023-10-31, 20:03
- More info: - Coaxkez, 2023-11-01, 07:41
- More info: -
Vortech,
2023-10-31, 14:02
- More info: -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 10:50
- $1.2 Billion -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 09:50
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 08:06
- Good guy Alex - Robot Chickens, 2023-10-31, 11:20
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 04:55
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:25
- bad news @ Bungie - Captain Spark, 2023-10-31, 08:11
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-10-31, 08:54
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
bluerunner,
2023-10-31, 13:04
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Claude Errera,
2023-10-31, 13:27
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Anna Komnene,
2023-10-31, 14:43
- Is there a list of the fallen? - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-11-01, 14:54
- For the remaining Bungie employees… - Korny, 2023-11-01, 20:56
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Anna Komnene,
2023-10-31, 14:43
- Is there a list of the fallen? - Cody Miller, 2023-10-31, 14:55
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Claude Errera,
2023-10-31, 13:27
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
bluerunner,
2023-10-31, 13:04
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 08:11
- Good post. -
Kermit,
2023-11-01, 09:06
- Good post. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 09:59
- Good post. - Cody Miller, 2023-11-01, 12:25
- Good post. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 09:59
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-11-01, 10:51
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Coaxkez, 2023-11-01, 11:04
- Powers -
Beorn,
2023-11-01, 17:29
- Powers - Schooly D, 2023-11-01, 18:24
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Cody Miller, 2023-11-01, 12:23
- Second look at 343 Industries? -
Schooly D,
2023-11-01, 14:15
- That would require a certain bar of quality. -
CyberKN,
2023-11-01, 15:02
- Let’s not get crazy here. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 16:04
- Maybe? I'm loving the latest season -
kidtsunami,
2023-11-01, 16:51
- That would require a certain bar of quality.
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
squidnh3,
2023-11-03, 08:19
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Kermit, 2023-11-06, 05:52
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-06, 08:06
- why would you hurt me this way -
kidtsunami,
2023-11-06, 10:07
- Loved "First Light" -
Kermit,
2023-11-06, 12:51
- The new Vex map had Sparrows again ;) -
ZackDark,
2023-11-07, 13:44
- Loved "First Light"
- why would you hurt me this way -
kidtsunami,
2023-11-06, 10:07
- Good post. -
Kermit,
2023-11-01, 09:06
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-03, 14:35
- Not the first time they've ... (Full Quote) - INSANEdrive, 2023-11-03, 16:18
- Interesting - Coaxkez, 2023-11-03, 19:58
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
cheapLEY,
2023-11-03, 20:10
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-04, 01:01
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people - EffortlessFury, 2023-11-04, 11:59
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-04, 01:01
- bad news @ Bungie - INSANEdrive, 2023-11-04, 10:16
- Final Shape delay to June 2024!??! Woah. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 14:48