More info: (Destiny)
New info about the Bungie layoffs. Per a source: pic.twitter.com/sPs9dLTruI
— Paul Tassi (@PaulTassi) October 31, 2023
The layoff decisions came directly from Bungie management, not Sony. This is not about Sony replacing Bungie employees with their own people.
Many employee benefits (though not health insurance), only last until the end of the month if you're let go. Laying people off on the 30th means a single additional day of coverage.
Many employees had unvested shares as a result of the Sony purchase. These shared would be recieved based on staying with the company for a certain number of years following the sale. But those shares revert to Bungie if you leave, even if you're fired, which is what's happening now to many of those affected.
What a dogshit company. I changed my mind, Claude. There’s literally nothing they could do to get me to reinstall Destiny, not that it was likely anyway.
So… the management is basically stealing from the employees, but in a way that's perfectly legal. Wow. Cool and normal.
This sucks, and I'm not approving that people got laid off, but firing someone is not stealing from them. Words have meanings. Stock grants are a part of compensation and they only vest if you are employed on the vesting date. Like like your paycheck only comes if you are still an employee.
I've been in the tech industry for nearly 25 years, working for a company that has a reputation for caring about its employees. I think it's a crapshoot whether I make it to my 25th anniversary given the atmosphere and the way things are changing now. At root, my company has cared for its employees because it could afford to, and it could afford to because its business model worked (being private helped). If the model stops working, that will change. I don't believe everything I read on the internet, but it appears that Bungie's revenue is down 45%, and what can't continue won't. I'm not defending how they've done these layoffs or the decision to layoff particular individuals, but there's too much I don't know to make grand pronouncements about who the bad guys are here. I'm sure there are pressures being borne that we know nothing about. I'll let ex-Bungie employees speak to their experience, and I'm sure there are legitimate complaints--there certainly have been in the past.
Ultimately, though, I don't take these massive games for granted. I still marvel at their existence, and my mind boggles at what they cost in terms of manpower. I'm also aware that they can't exist if there isn't a market that supports their existence. One more thing: Michael Salvatori is a class act--a true mensch.
Complete thread:
- bad news @ Bungie -
Kermit,
2023-10-30, 14:18
- Final Shape delay to June 2024!??! Woah. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 14:48
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 16:33
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too. -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-30, 18:27
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too. - bluerunner, 2023-10-30, 18:51
- I saw that, it's so big I wanted to wait. It's Confirmed. :( - INSANEdrive, 2023-10-30, 18:59
- Lorraine McLees (Mehve) got laid off too -
FyreWulff,
2023-10-30, 19:56
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-10-30, 21:36
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 18:52
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-11-02, 08:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
stabbim,
2023-11-02, 13:37
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-05, 16:03
- Holy shit *NM* -
bluerunner,
2023-11-05, 19:34
- Holy shit *NM* - SonofMacPhisto, 2023-11-07, 14:24
- Classic - stabbim, 2023-11-13, 13:51
- Holy shit *NM* -
Kermit,
2023-11-06, 05:18
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-07, 14:25
- Holy shit *NM* - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-11-09, 09:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-07, 14:25
- Holy shit *NM* - stabbim, 2023-11-13, 13:51
- Holy shit *NM* -
bluerunner,
2023-11-05, 19:34
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-05, 16:03
- Holy shit *NM* -
stabbim,
2023-11-02, 13:37
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-11-02, 08:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 18:52
- Ugh. -
Kermit,
2023-10-31, 01:23
- Ugh. - SonofMacPhisto, 2023-11-01, 18:57
- WTF?!?! How do you fire LORRAINE? - Anna Komnene, 2023-10-31, 05:35
- Feels like they should just rename the company at that point - stabbim, 2023-11-02, 13:41
- How do you fire the designer of the Pillar of Autumn? -
Leviathan,
2023-11-03, 09:58
- How do you fire the designer of the Pillar of Autumn? - Cody Miller, 2023-11-03, 10:59
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-10-30, 21:36
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. - Yapok, 2023-11-03, 19:49
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too. -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-30, 18:27
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 16:33
- bad news @ Bungie -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 15:07
- Mind your b's and p's. -
Vortech,
2023-10-30, 20:52
- What the hell is a pillion -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:26
- It's what you give Nathan Fillion when he's sick. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 19:11
- 🏆 - CyberKN, 2023-11-01, 19:16
- *slow clap* - stabbim, 2023-11-02, 13:42
- jeremiahjohnsonnod.gif - Morpheus, 2023-11-03, 12:56
- It's what you give Nathan Fillion when he's sick. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 19:11
- What the hell is a pillion -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:26
- Mind your b's and p's. -
Vortech,
2023-10-30, 20:52
- bad news @ Bungie - cheapLEY, 2023-10-30, 15:14
- this fucking sucks - kidtsunami, 2023-10-30, 17:04
- bad news @ Bungie -
FyreWulff,
2023-10-30, 19:42
- bad news @ Bungie - kidtsunami, 2023-10-31, 07:48
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Robot Chickens,
2023-10-30, 21:32
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:25
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 04:55
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 08:06
- $1.2 Billion -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 09:50
- More info: -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 10:50
- More info: -
Vortech,
2023-10-31, 14:02
- A LITTLE bit more info. - Vortech, 2023-10-31, 16:23
- More info: -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 14:51
- More info: - cheapLEY, 2023-10-31, 15:27
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Vortech,
2023-10-31, 16:31
- More info: -
Kermit,
2023-10-31, 20:03
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uberfoop,
2023-10-31, 22:05
- More info: - Kermit, 2023-11-01, 03:35
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uberfoop,
2023-10-31, 22:05
- More info: - Cody Miller, 2023-10-31, 22:16
- More info: - uberfoop, 2023-10-31, 23:11
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Kermit,
2023-10-31, 20:03
- More info: - Coaxkez, 2023-11-01, 07:41
- More info: -
Vortech,
2023-10-31, 14:02
- More info: -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 10:50
- $1.2 Billion -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 09:50
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 08:06
- Good guy Alex - Robot Chickens, 2023-10-31, 11:20
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 04:55
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:25
- bad news @ Bungie - Captain Spark, 2023-10-31, 08:11
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-10-31, 08:54
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
bluerunner,
2023-10-31, 13:04
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Claude Errera,
2023-10-31, 13:27
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Anna Komnene,
2023-10-31, 14:43
- Is there a list of the fallen? - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-11-01, 14:54
- For the remaining Bungie employees… - Korny, 2023-11-01, 20:56
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Anna Komnene,
2023-10-31, 14:43
- Is there a list of the fallen? - Cody Miller, 2023-10-31, 14:55
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Claude Errera,
2023-10-31, 13:27
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
bluerunner,
2023-10-31, 13:04
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 08:11
- Good post. -
Kermit,
2023-11-01, 09:06
- Good post. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 09:59
- Good post. - Cody Miller, 2023-11-01, 12:25
- Good post. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 09:59
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-11-01, 10:51
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Coaxkez, 2023-11-01, 11:04
- Powers -
Beorn,
2023-11-01, 17:29
- Powers - Schooly D, 2023-11-01, 18:24
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Cody Miller, 2023-11-01, 12:23
- Second look at 343 Industries? -
Schooly D,
2023-11-01, 14:15
- That would require a certain bar of quality. - CyberKN, 2023-11-01, 15:02
- Let’s not get crazy here. - Coaxkez, 2023-11-01, 16:04
- Maybe? I'm loving the latest season - kidtsunami, 2023-11-01, 16:51
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
squidnh3,
2023-11-03, 08:19
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Kermit, 2023-11-06, 05:52
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-06, 08:06
- why would you hurt me this way -
kidtsunami,
2023-11-06, 10:07
- Loved "First Light" - Kermit, 2023-11-06, 12:51
- The new Vex map had Sparrows again ;) - ZackDark, 2023-11-07, 13:44
- why would you hurt me this way -
kidtsunami,
2023-11-06, 10:07
- Good post. -
Kermit,
2023-11-01, 09:06
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-03, 14:35
- Not the first time they've ... (Full Quote) - INSANEdrive, 2023-11-03, 16:18
- Interesting - Coaxkez, 2023-11-03, 19:58
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
cheapLEY,
2023-11-03, 20:10
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-04, 01:01
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people - EffortlessFury, 2023-11-04, 11:59
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-04, 01:01
- bad news @ Bungie - INSANEdrive, 2023-11-04, 10:16
- Final Shape delay to June 2024!??! Woah. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 14:48