Episode 3 (Fan Creations)
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Ok, so I loved this episode. Loved, Loved, Loved it. My read was that it is essentially a counter example to the notion that so much of apocalyptic fiction has, that given the breakdown of society human beings will naturally gravitate towards conservatism as if it were the default.
It's a pretty common notion in almost all the stories that center around societal collapse, and such criticism has been levied against many shows like The Walking Dead. I feel like the Last of Us the game is not immune to this criticism as well. You see folks either integrate into fascist governments, or embody the old style conservatism of the old west, where you take your guns, protect what's yours, and let the strong survive.
From the game, Bill in particular embodies this. While he is gay, he presents as hyper masculine, aggressive, unfeeling. At the start of the episode, so too does this Bill. But this time he's a Trumper, with lots of guns, a 'castle' with his own (border) wall, cuts wood and eats steak, and sports a 'Don't tread on Me' flag. He berates Frank because he doesn't want Hobos or Vagabonds to try to get a free meal out of him. Perhaps though, more importantly is that he is a repressed homosexual. When he and Frank get in bed for the first time, Bill confesses that he's only had sex once before, and with a woman. The implication as the scene plays out is that he's never let anyone see this side of him.
Frank convinces him to let people through, and they begin trading with Joel and Tess. However when he trades a gun for seeds, that's when the show seals the deal. As they eat the strawberries that were grown, nurtured into being, the joy is too much he weeps. This moment is where the show tells us that no, Fascism or old west masculinity is NOT the only way in this world. And so Bill cares for Frank. A wheelchair, which anywhere else would mean your abandonment in this world, means nothing as Bill and frank live out their lives. Frank's euthanasia is contrasted with Ellie's killing of the stuck zombie. Ellie did it out of a combination of fear, disgust, and curiosity (playing with it before sealing the deal), while Bill's act is born from love.
And so the show DOESN'T commit to the notion that the games and most media do. There IS room in this world for someone like Bill to be himself. Is it a coincidence that I loved this episode so much, when it's the one that deviates from the game the most?
Stupendous.
I loved it, too, but I don't think I attach your labels to Bill (or agree with the interpretations that spring from them. Bill doesn't even accept "prepper"--although I think it fits, and on that score I'd say he bet wisely). When society breaks down, it's predictable that humans act like humans, and this predates "the old west" by quite a bit. I would not say that Bill is unfeeling before Frank. He just didn't have anyone to direct those feelings toward. (Even in the game, it's clear that his gruffness is a defensive act.) I would never say he berates Frank. He explains why he can't feed him, but is easily convinced to do so regardless. I see their relationship as complementary. Yes, Frank brings beauty, intimacy, love, and relationships into Bill's life, but these are luxuries that can exist only because of the protective bubble that Bill provides. George Orwell said, "...men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them." It's pretty obvious which is which in this story.
I do have mixed feelings about the double suicide. I'm for relief from suffering, but in a non-apocalyptic world that is nonetheless plagued by loneliness and depression, I'm anxious about encouraging the option. See also Melancholia.
Complete thread:
- Early Praise for The Last of Us -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-10, 02:42
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
ManKitten,
2023-01-10, 05:54
- Side Question / Sub Topic - ZackDark, 2023-01-10, 14:33
- Side Question / Sub Topic - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-01-11, 05:35
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-11, 09:57
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-11, 10:32
- Side Question / Sub Topic - ManKitten, 2023-01-11, 11:02
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-11, 10:32
- Episode 1 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-15, 19:55
- Episode 1 - cheapLEY, 2023-01-15, 20:07
- Episode 1 -
Claude Errera,
2023-01-16, 09:17
- Episode 1 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-16, 10:25
- Episode 1 -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 18:56
- P.S. -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 19:31
- P.S. -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-16, 20:53
- P.S. -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 22:02
- I think they nailed it -
Beorn,
2023-01-18, 22:26
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 09:21
- I think they nailed it -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-19, 09:31
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 09:36
- I think they nailed it -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-19, 10:02
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 10:06
- I think they nailed it - cheapLEY, 2023-01-21, 12:32
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 10:06
- I think they nailed it -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-19, 10:02
- I think they nailed it - Cody Miller, 2023-01-19, 13:05
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 09:36
- I think they nailed it -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-19, 09:31
- I think they nailed it -
Kermit,
2023-01-19, 09:21
- I think they nailed it -
Beorn,
2023-01-18, 22:26
- P.S. -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 22:02
- P.S. -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-16, 20:53
- P.S. -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 19:31
- Episode 1 -
Kermit,
2023-01-16, 18:56
- Episode 1 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-16, 10:25
- Joel was never given a redemption -
Anna Komnene,
2023-01-21, 15:43
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
Korny,
2023-01-21, 16:29
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-21, 20:19
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
EffortlessFury,
2023-01-21, 21:38
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-21, 22:04
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
EffortlessFury,
2023-01-23, 11:05
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) - cheapLEY, 2023-01-23, 12:13
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
EffortlessFury,
2023-01-23, 11:05
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-21, 22:04
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
EffortlessFury,
2023-01-21, 21:38
- Wasn't a fan of Part II's story because... -
Anna Komnene,
2023-01-22, 10:46
- Wasn't a fan of Part II's story because... - Cody Miller, 2023-01-22, 11:07
- Wasn't a fan of Part II's story because... - cheapLEY, 2023-01-22, 17:52
- Wasn't a fan of Part II's story because... - EffortlessFury, 2023-01-23, 11:11
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
cheapLEY,
2023-01-21, 20:19
- Joel was never given a redemption - Cody Miller, 2023-01-22, 08:46
- Joel was never given a redemption (*Part II spoilz*) -
Korny,
2023-01-21, 16:29
- Episode 2 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-22, 22:23
- Dustin Echoes -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-23, 12:47
- Dustin Echoes -
Claude Errera,
2023-01-23, 13:04
- Dustin Echoes - ZackDark, 2023-01-23, 13:27
- Dustin Echoes - cheapLEY, 2023-01-23, 14:14
- Dustin Echoes - Cody Miller, 2023-01-23, 18:00
- Dustin Echoes -
Claude Errera,
2023-01-23, 13:04
- Episode 2 -
Kermit,
2023-01-23, 19:04
- Episode 2 - cheapLEY, 2023-01-23, 19:19
- Dustin Echoes -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-23, 12:47
- Episode 3 -
Cody Miller,
2023-01-30, 17:42
- Episode 3 - Kermit, 2023-01-30, 21:18
- Episode 3 - cheapLEY, 2023-01-31, 12:47
- Episode 4 -
Cody Miller,
2023-02-06, 16:30
- Episode 4 - Kermit, 2023-02-06, 17:13
- Episode 4--Wheel Spinning -
cheapLEY,
2023-02-06, 17:35
- Episode 4--Wheel Spinning - Cody Miller, 2023-02-06, 17:40
- Episode 5 - Cody Miller, 2023-02-13, 19:10
- The Ebert Trap - Cody Miller, 2023-02-20, 08:17
- The failure of The Last of Us show. -
cheapLEY,
2023-03-05, 19:39
- The failure of The Last of Us show. -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-05, 22:54
- The failure of The Last of Us show. - Korny, 2023-03-06, 10:35
- The failure of The Last of Us show. -
Kermit,
2023-03-06, 10:23
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-06, 14:49
- This - ZackDark, 2023-03-06, 15:32
- I think the story is rushed -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-06, 15:51
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-07, 08:11
- I think the story is rushed - cheapLEY, 2023-03-07, 08:30
- I think the story is rushed -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-07, 09:49
- I think the story is rushed -
Kermit,
2023-03-07, 13:32
- I think the story is rushed -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-07, 13:42
- I think the story is rushed -
Kermit,
2023-03-07, 14:15
- I think the story is rushed -
cheapLEY,
2023-03-07, 15:34
- I think the story is rushed - Cody Miller, 2023-03-07, 15:58
- I think the story is rushed -
cheapLEY,
2023-03-07, 15:34
- I think the story is rushed -
Kermit,
2023-03-07, 14:15
- I think the story is rushed -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-07, 13:42
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-08, 09:11
- I think the story is rushed - Cody Miller, 2023-03-08, 12:01
- I think the story is rushed -
Kermit,
2023-03-07, 13:32
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-07, 08:11
- I think the story is rushed -
Anna Komnene,
2023-03-06, 14:49
- The failure of The Last of Us show. -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-05, 22:54
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-12, 23:32
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-13, 09:40
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 10:40
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-13, 11:15
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 11:40
- The Finale - Kermit, 2023-03-13, 11:50
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 11:40
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-13, 11:15
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 10:40
- The Finale -
Korny,
2023-03-13, 11:29
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 11:36
- The Finale - Kermit, 2023-03-13, 11:54
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-13, 11:36
- The Finale -
cheapLEY,
2023-03-13, 16:38
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-14, 10:48
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-14, 11:29
- The Finale - Kermit, 2023-03-14, 11:47
- The Finale -
Cody Miller,
2023-03-14, 11:29
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-14, 10:48
- A general complaint - Kermit, 2023-03-15, 09:24
- The Finale -
Kermit,
2023-03-13, 09:40
- Side Question / Sub Topic -
ManKitten,
2023-01-10, 05:54