Weapon sunsetting in action (Destiny)
Bungie can't reasonably expect players to re-grind for the same weapons with the same perks. If the prior weapon roll can still be obtained in the "new" version of the gun, the "old" gun's cap needs to be increased to match the "new" version. Things like this make it feel like the developers don't play their own game. It's one thing to accept weapon sunsetting as a necessary evil, but implementing it like this does not move the ball forward.
It's quite simply what happens when you let metrics and data guide your game design, rather than fun and instinct.
Those two categories are both bad on their own. You need both. Metrics and data guide how the game is doing overall and helps you understand what is actually happening. Fun and instinct is great in the moment but it doesn't give you and idea of where you are going. You can't have one or the other, you have to have both.
Also, fun and instinct are a personally thing. You can just do something and assume everyone is going to have fun with a change. That is why for such large games like this that you have to have those metrics to guide the best fun for the most amount of people. Not gonna lie, I would not want to be a software engineer on a large online game. You are always pissing someone off.
Complete thread:
- Bungie Stream: Introducing FUUUTURE...oh & S11 -
INSANEdrive,
2020-06-09, 09:05
- Bungie Stream: Introducing Season of the Arrivals -
breitzen,
2020-06-09, 09:38
- Bungie Stream: Introducing FUUUTURE...oh & S11 - INSANEdrive, 2020-06-09, 09:41
- tl;dr - Korny, 2020-06-09, 09:43
- Long Term Future -
squidnh3,
2020-06-09, 09:43
- Long Term Future -
squidnh3,
2020-06-09, 09:56
- Long Term Future -
Korny,
2020-06-09, 10:19
- Long Term Future -
Claude Errera,
2020-06-09, 10:26
- Long Term Future -
squidnh3,
2020-06-09, 10:29
- Long Term Future - MacAddictXIV, 2020-06-09, 10:31
- Long Term Future -
squidnh3,
2020-06-09, 10:29
- Long Term Future -
cheapLEY,
2020-06-09, 12:02
- Hope For The Future! *NM* -
Ragashingo,
2020-06-09, 12:50
- It's coming soon enough. - bluerunner, 2020-06-09, 12:59
- +1 - Kermit, 2020-06-10, 08:41
- Hope For The Future! *NM* -
Ragashingo,
2020-06-09, 12:50
- Long Term Future -
Claude Errera,
2020-06-09, 10:26
- Bye to the Destiny 2 campaign -
Burchie,
2020-06-10, 02:00
- Bye to the Destiny 2 campaign -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 08:23
- Bye to the Destiny 2 campaign -
Burchie,
2020-06-11, 05:54
- Bye to the Destiny 2 campaign -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-11, 11:16
- Bye to the Destiny 2 campaign - Simpsons Rule, 2020-06-11, 11:22
- Until it is rotated back in. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-06-11, 12:47
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
Claude Errera,
2020-06-11, 16:01
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-12, 11:49
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-12, 12:20
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-12, 12:27
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) - MacAddictXIV, 2020-06-12, 12:31
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-12, 12:27
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-12, 12:20
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
Korny,
2020-06-12, 12:06
- This - Robot Chickens, 2020-06-12, 12:50
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-12, 11:49
- Until it is rotated back in. - Burchie, 2020-06-11, 20:11
- lol - thanks for this voice of reason. :) -
Claude Errera,
2020-06-11, 16:01
- Bye to the Destiny 2 campaign -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-11, 11:16
- Bye to the Destiny 2 campaign -
Burchie,
2020-06-11, 05:54
- Bye to the Destiny 2 campaign -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 08:23
- Long Term Future -
Korny,
2020-06-09, 10:19
- Long Term Future -
squidnh3,
2020-06-09, 09:56
- Bungie Stream: Introducing Season of the Arrivals - Simpsons Rule, 2020-06-09, 10:04
- Does that mean... - bluerunner, 2020-06-09, 12:34
- Okay, but what’s this season about? -
cheapLEY,
2020-06-09, 13:30
- I'll try [*SPOILERS*] -
kidtsunami,
2020-06-09, 13:33
- Thanks! - cheapLEY, 2020-06-09, 16:03
- So do I have to buy dlc to play Vault of Glass again??? -
Spec ops Grunt,
2020-06-10, 11:27
- So do I have to buy dlc to play Vault of Glass again??? - breitzen, 2020-06-10, 11:41
- Learning to sprint again -
squidnh3,
2020-06-09, 13:38
- Learning to sprint again - bluerunner, 2020-06-09, 15:19
- Learning to sprint again -
INSANEdrive,
2020-06-09, 19:29
- Learning to sprint again -
cheapLEY,
2020-06-09, 21:34
- Learning to sprint again -
Vortech,
2020-06-14, 11:40
- Learning to sprint again - Pyromancy, 2020-06-14, 20:53
- Learning to sprint again -
Vortech,
2020-06-14, 11:40
- Learning to sprint again -
cheapLEY,
2020-06-09, 21:34
- *Possible fix inbound?* Learning to sprint again -
Pyromancy,
2020-06-14, 20:57
- Some of these I was unaware of. Good to know. Thank you. - INSANEdrive, 2020-06-14, 22:00
- *Possible fix inbound?* Learning to sprint again - Kermit, 2020-06-15, 05:58
- Okay, but what’s this season about? -
cheapLEY,
2020-06-09, 21:39
- Okay, but what’s this season about? -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 07:50
- Okay, but what’s this season about? - cheapLEY, 2020-06-10, 19:35
- Okay, but what’s this season about? -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 07:50
- I'll try [*SPOILERS*] -
kidtsunami,
2020-06-09, 13:33
- 4K/60 on new consoles! - cheapLEY, 2020-06-09, 18:57
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-09, 23:28
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
cheapLEY,
2020-06-10, 06:47
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-10, 09:35
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
squidnh3,
2020-06-10, 10:25
- Weapon *whiplash* in action -
INSANEdrive,
2020-06-10, 11:33
- Weapon *whiplash* in action -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-10, 12:14
- I'd be fine with a D3 -
breitzen,
2020-06-10, 12:29
- I'd be fine with a D3 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-10, 12:35
- ..eh - squidnh3, 2020-06-10, 12:43
- I'd be fine with a D3 -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-10, 12:35
- I'd be fine with a D3 -
breitzen,
2020-06-10, 12:29
- Weapon *whiplash* in action -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-10, 12:14
- +1000 - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-06-10, 12:11
- Weapon *whiplash* in action -
INSANEdrive,
2020-06-10, 11:33
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
squidnh3,
2020-06-10, 10:25
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-10, 09:35
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Simpsons Rule,
2020-06-10, 06:54
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 08:27
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 09:15
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Simpsons Rule,
2020-06-10, 09:31
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 10:09
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Simpsons Rule,
2020-06-10, 10:29
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 10:41
- Weapon sunsetting in action - Cody Miller, 2020-06-10, 12:06
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 10:41
- Weapon sunsetting in action - squidnh3, 2020-06-10, 11:01
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Simpsons Rule,
2020-06-10, 10:29
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 10:09
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 09:56
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 10:25
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 12:00
- Weapon sunsetting in action - MacAddictXIV, 2020-06-10, 12:48
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 12:00
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 10:25
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Simpsons Rule,
2020-06-10, 09:31
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-06-10, 09:15
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 08:27
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
squidnh3,
2020-06-10, 06:55
- That’s a bug. - cheapLEY, 2020-06-10, 07:03
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Spec ops Grunt,
2020-06-10, 11:49
- +1 - INSANEdrive, 2020-06-10, 11:58
- +1 - breitzen, 2020-06-10, 12:00
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 12:03
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Spec ops Grunt,
2020-06-10, 12:56
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 14:47
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake - Robot Chickens, 2020-06-10, 16:17
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-10, 14:47
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Spec ops Grunt,
2020-06-10, 12:56
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
squidnh3,
2020-06-10, 12:12
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-10, 12:19
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake - MacAddictXIV, 2020-06-10, 12:54
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Pyromancy,
2020-06-11, 00:19
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-11, 03:25
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-11, 11:19
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-06-11, 11:23
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Cody Miller,
2020-06-11, 11:19
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-11, 03:25
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-06-10, 12:19
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
TheOmegaClown,
2020-07-02, 07:28
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Kermit,
2020-07-03, 06:04
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake - TheOmegaClown, 2020-07-04, 08:03
- Adding random rolls back was a mistake -
Kermit,
2020-07-03, 06:04
- Speaking of Sunset'n: DIM inventory check -
INSANEdrive,
2020-06-10, 20:09
- Speaking of Sunset'n: DIM inventory check - ZackDark, 2020-06-11, 04:55
- Weapon sunsetting in action -
cheapLEY,
2020-06-10, 06:47
- Bungie Stream: Introducing Season of the Arrivals -
breitzen,
2020-06-09, 09:38