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ANY reason someone would have to want to pay to not play could be addressed for free by changing the game design. The point is not that people don’t have reasons - the point is the best solution never involves a micro transaction (and that often the reasons are themselves created by the micro transactions).
The real problem with that sentence is the word 'best'. Your 'best' is not the same as my 'best' is not the same as Bungie's 'best'.
You know how you want the game to work. You are not unique; there is a group of Destiny players who have roughly the same desires from their gameplay experience. Bungie (or some subset of Bungie that is responsible for some of the higher-level decisions) has almost certainly considered your particular collection of wants and needs, and decided that it they cannot satisfy all of them and still build the game they want to build.
You can accept that they don't want to make the game you want to play. (You don't, or you would have stopped discussing any of this stuff a long time ago.) You can try and convince them that they're making a mistake, and that they should change their strategy. (If that's what you think you're doing, I'd suggest that you have picked a pretty lousy place to do it; I don't think there are any Bungie employees who visit here any more. They can't hear you yelling from way over here.)
What you can't do is tell those of us that are actually okay with the overall development arc that you know what's good for us better than we do. (That is what the quoted sentence above is trying to do.) I disagree with your premise that there is NO way that you can make a good game while offering the same content for free or by in-game play - I LIKE the fact that I have a choice, and I USE that choice occasionally for differing outcomes, depending on my at-the-time-current circumstance. I do NOT consider the frictions you see as odious as a problem; in fact, most of the time I don't even notice them. That they exist at all is acceptable to me, at the level that I perceive them, because they provide me with options when I'm playing the game I enjoy playing.
In short: your viewpoint, while valid for you, is NOT universal, and my viewpoint is not a result of my blindness - it is simply a differing opinion. And it's as valid as yours.
Complete thread:
- Disintegration Beta -
breitzen,
2020-01-15, 12:58
- Good Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-15, 15:03
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-22, 14:55
- Bad Guy V1 -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 06:23
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 10:03
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 11:12
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 14:20
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 07:04
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 07:22
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 08:27
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:54
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:02
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Kermit, 2020-01-24, 10:23
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:12
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 16:18
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 17:24
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:52
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:00
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Kermit, 2020-01-24, 18:40
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:00
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:52
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 17:24
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 16:18
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:02
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:57
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 09:29
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 09:59
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 09:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:54
- My favourite argument -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:11
- My favourite argument -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:34
- Hardly validating -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 12:38
- Hardly validating -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:46
- Hardly validating - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 13:11
- Hardly validating -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:46
- Hardly validating -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 12:38
- My favourite argument -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 12:34
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 11:20
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 08:27
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:07
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:42
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Malagate, 2020-01-24, 08:14
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 08:34
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:09
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 10:41
- So let's take a walk, shall we? - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:51
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 10:41
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:09
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 07:22
- So let's take a walk, shall we? -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 07:04
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 14:20
- Why don’t we just ignore 90% of the context of the argument? -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 11:12
- F*ck that noise -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:35
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 19:19
- F*ck that noise -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-23, 19:44
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 20:34
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:59
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art - Harmanimus, 2020-01-24, 10:32
- Weird assertion that I'm undervaluing art -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:59
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 20:34
- F*ck that noise -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 20:45
- +1, over and over and over - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 02:20
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
ZackDark,
2020-01-24, 10:31
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 10:51
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:53
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:57
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 11:10
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then - Harmanimus, 2020-01-24, 12:00
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 11:10
- Really? - Claude Errera, 2020-01-24, 14:03
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 10:51
- Sure, let's get to the economics of it, then -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 01:15
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:45
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:53
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means - Cody Miller, 2020-01-24, 10:54
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 11:24
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:39
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 13:29
- Seems awfully pessimistic/accusatory - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 13:38
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 13:29
- Wanting or expectimg more is inherently entitled? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:39
- The Internet doesn't know what the word "entitled" means -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:53
- "Entitlement culture" LOL -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-24, 10:45
- F*ck that noise -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-23, 19:44
- F*ck that noise -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-23, 19:19
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 10:03
- Bad Guy V1 -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 14:49
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:37
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 16:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 16:58
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
ZackDark,
2020-01-23, 17:44
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content - Cody Miller, 2020-01-23, 20:43
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
ZackDark,
2020-01-23, 17:44
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 02:24
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 05:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 05:37
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 06:38
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:50
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:17
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- Ey. - Malagate, 2020-01-24, 09:41
- Ey. - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-24, 09:44
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:11
- Ey. -
Schedonnardus,
2020-01-27, 11:41
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 12:29
- Ey. - Harmanimus, 2020-01-27, 13:25
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 14:26
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:16
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:13
- Ey. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-27, 19:29
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:45
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 23:00
- 100% - EffortlessFury, 2020-01-28, 06:45
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-28, 07:29
- ... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...? -
ZackDark,
2020-01-28, 20:15
- No -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 11:47
- That's fair - ZackDark, 2020-01-29, 12:02
- No -
someotherguy,
2020-01-29, 11:47
- ... like... the... seasons... are... right... now...? -
ZackDark,
2020-01-28, 20:15
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 23:00
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:45
- Ey. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-27, 19:29
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 19:13
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:16
- I dont think that's the point Cody was making at all - someotherguy, 2020-01-28, 07:19
- Ey. -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 12:29
- Ey. -
Schedonnardus,
2020-01-27, 11:41
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 09:26
- Ey. -
Malagate,
2020-01-24, 08:17
- Ey. -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 07:50
- Heavy eyeroll -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 10:43
- Heavy eyeroll -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:00
- Heavy eyeroll - cheapLEY, 2020-01-24, 11:02
- Hahahahahaha good one -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:06
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:28
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:30
- Are you... arguing with yourself? - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 11:41
- Hey, Marcus: -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:31
- ^^^ - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 11:44
- Who? -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:35
- Who? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:46
- Super important context! -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:55
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 13:50
- Threads like this -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 14:00
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:12
- I know you meant 'discord'... -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:21
- I’m famous at work for my typos! -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- I’m famous at work for my typos! - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 14:59
- I’m famous at work for my typos! -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- Not your fault -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:27
- +1 not your fault - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:00
- Next stop: Melancholia -
Pyromancy,
2020-01-24, 15:40
- Great movie! -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:29
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:08
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 18:59
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-01-25, 02:45
- One fan's appreciation -
Kermit,
2020-01-27, 10:43
- One fan's appreciation -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-27, 13:04
- One fan's appreciation - Kermit, 2020-01-27, 14:09
- One fan's appreciation -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 14:21
- One fan's appreciation - Kermit, 2020-01-27, 16:58
- One fan's appreciation -
Harmanimus,
2020-01-27, 13:04
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 18:59
- Yeah but it was made by a literal Nazi -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 18:08
- Great movie! -
Kermit,
2020-01-24, 17:29
- I know you meant 'discord'... -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-24, 14:21
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:12
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:25
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- "How about side by side with a friend?" - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:03
- Threads like this -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 14:28
- I do want to note - someotherguy, 2020-01-24, 15:02
- Threads like this -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 14:00
- Threads like this -
breitzen,
2020-01-24, 13:50
- Super important context! -
someotherguy,
2020-01-24, 11:55
- Who? -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-24, 11:46
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:30
- Feel free to say that to Marcus Lehto. -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:28
- Heavy eyeroll -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 11:00
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
EffortlessFury,
2020-01-24, 05:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-23, 16:58
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
breitzen,
2020-01-23, 16:05
- I'd legitimately rather pay for new content -
someotherguy,
2020-01-23, 15:37
- Bad Guy V1 -
Malagate,
2020-01-23, 06:23
- Bad Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-22, 14:55
- Disintegration Beta - stabbim, 2020-01-15, 19:18
- Got my Beta Code! -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-27, 09:23
- Got my Beta Code! -
CyberKN,
2020-01-27, 10:34
- Servers are live tomorrow. Just FYI. -
breitzen,
2020-01-27, 14:29
- Thanks! - CyberKN, 2020-01-27, 14:31
- Fingers crossed that not all the beta codes are distributed -
Claude Errera,
2020-01-27, 15:19
- Check again! - ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 03:41
- Servers are live tomorrow. Just FYI. -
breitzen,
2020-01-27, 14:29
- Got my Beta Code! -
CyberKN,
2020-01-27, 10:34
- Didn’t sign up for Disintegration Beta, or didn’t get email? -
Korny,
2020-01-28, 12:17
- Thanks! - cheapLEY, 2020-01-28, 13:48
- Really enjoying it so far - ZackDark, 2020-01-28, 20:18
- I wish I liked it more. -
cheapLEY,
2020-01-29, 19:09
- First impressions - Cody Miller, 2020-01-29, 20:55
- So is it just a meh then? - Cody Miller, 2020-02-16, 10:29
- Good Guy V1 -
Cody Miller,
2020-01-15, 15:03