Expectations and Elitism (Destiny)
Truth is: imbalance and asymmetry is actually fun, having a chance at some measure of success is fun, getting to actually use cool weapons like Snipers and shotguns is fun and in the end, you can't even have competition if no-one actually plays (e.g. all those competitive playlists in Halo that ALWAYS DIED).
I think this is true in the sense that you can have little imbalances that rise through play, such as players being able to put themselves in situations that offer an advantage. You're right, it'd be boring if two players of equal skill always had a 50% change of winning an engagement, and it's much better to allow them to try to get the upper hand. That could be through weapon selection, positioning, etc. To make sure it isn't a positive feedback, you offer ways to break the advantage if you are good. Think reversal attacks in Street Fighter 2.
The question people are asking is whether you can ever really gain an advantage, given that supers are supposedly a low skill way to kill people. I would argue that yes, you can absolutely still get an advantage, and even with supers, the best team is still going to win.
Everyone should check their ego at the door. So what if you die to a Nova Bomb every now and then? This really isn't Halo. I like it more (as of the Beta anyway).
The big caveat is bringing in gear though. Again, in the Alpha and Beta the level cap and spread of gear was pretty low. But since rate of fire and impact make a difference in multiplayer, and level advantage does in iron banner, there's going to be a lot of extra steps you have to do outside of the crucible to even go in ready (especially with light being such an important and gear only stat). I've heard of level 5 folks trying iron banner and just getting hopelessly wrecked because of their level. Whether that ends up being a problem or not will be revealed in a month.
Complete thread:
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-07, 17:05
- I could nit pick just about everything you just posted. . . -
INSANEdrive,
2014-08-07, 17:53
- Please do. Let's discuss. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-07, 18:23
- Please do. Let's discuss. -
INSANEdrive,
2014-08-07, 18:42
- Please do. Let's discuss. - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2014-08-07, 18:51
- BANGO. - Malagate, 2014-08-07, 20:15
- Please do. Let's discuss. -
INSANEdrive,
2014-08-07, 18:42
- Please do. Let's discuss. -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-07, 18:23
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-07, 18:41
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-07, 20:24
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - Ragashingo, 2014-08-07, 22:18
- "Your demeanor is that of a pouting child." -
Korny,
2014-08-08, 11:26
- "Your demeanor is that of a pouting child." -
Bones,
2014-08-08, 13:43
- "Your demeanor is that of a pouting child." - Korny, 2014-08-08, 14:39
- "Your demeanor is that of a pouting child." - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2014-08-08, 16:10
- "Your demeanor is that of a pouting child." -
Bones,
2014-08-08, 13:43
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-07, 20:24
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Miguel Chavez,
2014-08-07, 20:27
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2014-08-07, 20:38
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
DEEP_NNN,
2014-08-07, 20:33
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-07, 20:45
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - DEEP_NNN, 2014-08-08, 06:40
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2014-08-07, 20:45
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Revenant1988,
2014-08-07, 21:03
- Definitely "Tubeships" -
ZackDark,
2014-08-07, 21:17
- I know where you live. :p - Ragashingo, 2014-08-07, 22:26
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2014-08-08, 20:38
- Definitely "Tubeships" -
ZackDark,
2014-08-07, 21:17
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - Kalamari, 2014-08-07, 21:13
- Snipe's tears are delicious -
ZaneZavin,
2014-08-07, 22:24
- Snipe's tears are delicious -
uberfoop,
2014-08-07, 23:47
- I like FFXIII... -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-07, 23:54
- I like FFXIII as well... -
uberfoop,
2014-08-08, 00:07
- I like FFXIII as well... - Cody Miller, 2014-08-08, 01:09
- I like FFXIII as well... -
uberfoop,
2014-08-08, 00:07
- I like FFXIII... -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-07, 23:54
- Snipe's tears are delicious -
uberfoop,
2014-08-07, 23:47
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 00:45
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
electricpirate,
2014-08-08, 03:54
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Decom,
2014-08-08, 05:32
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Avateur,
2014-08-08, 11:06
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-08, 11:09
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Avateur,
2014-08-08, 11:12
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-08, 11:15
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Avateur,
2014-08-08, 21:24
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - Ragashingo, 2014-08-08, 21:49
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Avateur,
2014-08-08, 21:24
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - DaDerga, 2014-08-08, 11:18
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-08, 11:15
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 11:46
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - petetheduck, 2014-08-08, 14:05
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Avateur,
2014-08-08, 11:12
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-08, 11:09
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Avateur,
2014-08-08, 11:06
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Decom,
2014-08-08, 05:32
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
JDQuackers,
2014-08-08, 05:39
- It pulsates so slowly, though... -
ZackDark,
2014-08-08, 08:20
- TWSS -
JDQuackers,
2014-08-08, 08:41
- Yeah... In hindsight, I pretty much asked for it - ZackDark, 2014-08-08, 08:51
- TWSS -
JDQuackers,
2014-08-08, 08:41
- It pulsates so slowly, though... -
ZackDark,
2014-08-08, 08:20
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
electricpirate,
2014-08-08, 03:54
- I disagree with you for the most part -
kidtsunami,
2014-08-08, 02:46
- Good rebuttal - Kermit, 2014-08-08, 08:36
- I disagree with you for the most part -
Avateur,
2014-08-08, 11:20
- I disagree with you for the most part -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 12:05
- I disagree with you for the most part - Avateur, 2014-08-08, 21:18
- I disagree with you for the most part -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 12:05
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - Speedracer513, 2014-08-08, 06:50
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
yakaman,
2014-08-08, 06:57
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 10:34
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Claude Errera,
2014-08-08, 11:08
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 11:43
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-08, 12:46
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
petetheduck,
2014-08-08, 12:53
- Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode... - Korny, 2014-08-08, 13:28
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 13:09
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
uberfoop,
2014-08-08, 13:13
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
RC,
2014-08-08, 13:27
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - Ragashingo, 2014-08-08, 13:33
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
RC,
2014-08-08, 13:27
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-08, 13:24
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - Cody Miller, 2014-08-08, 13:46
- On difficulty... -
Korny,
2014-08-08, 14:15
- On difficulty... - Kermit, 2014-08-08, 15:09
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
uberfoop,
2014-08-08, 13:13
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
petetheduck,
2014-08-08, 12:53
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Ragashingo,
2014-08-08, 12:46
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 11:43
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Claude Errera,
2014-08-08, 11:08
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - kapowaz, 2014-08-09, 10:12
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
Cody Miller,
2014-08-08, 10:34
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - petetheduck, 2014-08-08, 07:43
- So... Halo must not have been for me... - Doooskey, 2014-08-08, 08:07
- Expectations and Elitism -
RC,
2014-08-08, 11:35
- Expectations and Elitism - Cody Miller, 2014-08-08, 11:58
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* - bluerunner, 2014-08-08, 11:43
- The Rest. - Ragashingo, 2014-08-08, 16:37
- ITT: Your Opinions Are Bad And You Should Feel Bad - kapowaz, 2014-08-08, 17:44
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
BlackCoffee_AU,
2014-08-10, 05:18
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
kapowaz,
2014-08-10, 09:07
- +1, for both statements - ZackDark, 2014-08-10, 09:28
- Very disappointed in Destiny. *long* *TL;DR included* -
kapowaz,
2014-08-10, 09:07
- I could nit pick just about everything you just posted. . . -
INSANEdrive,
2014-08-07, 17:53