For the record (Gaming)
So if you are someone who doesn’t want to crunch, go work in a different industry, or better yet, start your own “crunch-free” development studio. You’d have no problem attracting talent.
Nintendo has figured to how to avoid crunch. So it can be done. Animal Crossing was delayed in order to prevent crunch, and it's one of the biggest games in the world.
I said as much in my post above. I said that we’ve seen examples of good games being created with relatively little crunch (although even that claim is suspect... I bet if you asked the team “did you guys have to crunch on this game?” You’d get different answers depending on who you talked to). But even so, that’s 1 example. 1 data point. And popular as it is, animal crossing is not The Last of Us or God of War.
I think the tension at the core of this issue is that it is impossible to have a team of 150+ people create something groundbreaking, new, and innovative while also doing it on time and on budget. It’ll happen once in a while by sheer luck, but there is no reliable way for anyone to say “We’re going to do something that has never been done before, and it will be finished in exactly X hours and cost exactly Y dollars”.
One thing that would help, IMO, is if publishers did a better job of differentiating between “games as mass-produced entertainment product” and “games as innovative creative endeavour”. Valve got it right. They decided that they wanted every single game they released to be innovative and groundbreaking, and they knew that the only way to do that would be to break free from usual dev cycles. They needed to give themselves room to sink years into a project that might never get released if it didn’t click. So they went and developed an alternate revenue stream that was steady and reliable and would keep the lights on while funding their creative projects.
Once again, I think Ubisoft is close to achieving a similar level of freedom. But they don’t seem to be quite there yet. They still need every single game they release to be a big hit in terms of sales. But I could see a point in the near future where their ongoing “live service” games like For Honour or Rainbow 6 Siege are bringing in enough revenue that they can free up a team or two to explore more creative and risky endeavours, without crushing them under the kind of deadline restrictions that lead to crunch.
Complete thread:
- Quantic Dream - Dust has Settled -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-24, 11:02
- Crunch -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 14:09
- For the record -
MartyTheElder,
2020-05-24, 16:04
- For the record - Cody Miller, 2020-05-24, 16:30
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 18:26
- For the record -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-24, 18:55
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 22:21
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 00:19
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 09:11
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 10:24
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 10:50
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 11:18
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 13:29
- For the record - Cody Miller, 2020-05-25, 16:18
- For the record - MacAddictXIV, 2020-05-26, 08:24
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 13:29
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 11:18
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 10:50
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 10:24
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 09:11
- For the record -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 00:19
- For the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 22:21
- For the record - Cody Miller, 2020-05-24, 20:28
- The vilest bullshit -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 20:41
- The vilest bullshit -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 21:31
- The vilest bullshit -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 21:37
- The vilest bullshit -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 22:54
- The vilest bullshit - General Battuta, 2020-05-26, 08:04
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
INSANEdrive,
2020-05-26, 10:20
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché - Cody Miller, 2020-05-26, 11:22
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-26, 12:38
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 13:11
- +1 - MacAddictXIV, 2020-05-26, 13:41
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-26, 14:07
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 15:51
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 16:43
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 17:20
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 18:07
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 23:55
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Kermit,
2020-05-27, 10:17
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 10:20
- Romanticization of the Artist -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-27, 10:49
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 11:03
- You are insufferable -
Pyromancy,
2020-05-27, 11:26
- You are insufferable -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 12:00
- You are insufferable *IMG* - Pyromancy, 2020-05-28, 14:15
- You are insufferable -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 12:00
- Romanticization of the Artist -
breitzen,
2020-05-27, 17:13
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 18:20
- On the Value of Art -
breitzen,
2020-05-28, 08:07
- On the Value of Art -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-28, 08:34
- On the Value of Art -
breitzen,
2020-05-28, 09:17
- On the Value of Art - cheapLEY, 2020-05-28, 09:26
- On the Value of Art -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 09:36
- On the Value of Art - cheapLEY, 2020-05-28, 10:00
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Kermit,
2020-05-28, 13:35
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 13:45
- O_O... >_>... ._. - INSANEdrive, 2020-05-28, 14:28
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-28, 17:16
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) - Robot Chickens, 2020-05-28, 17:37
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-28, 17:19
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 18:06
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-28, 18:31
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 18:42
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-29, 11:35
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) - cheapLEY, 2020-05-29, 12:25
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-29, 11:35
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 18:42
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-28, 18:31
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 18:06
- I can't believe you didn't mention Journey. ;-) -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-28, 13:45
- On the Value of Art -
breitzen,
2020-05-28, 09:17
- On the Value of Art -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-28, 08:34
- On the Value of Art -
breitzen,
2020-05-28, 08:07
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 18:20
- You are insufferable -
Pyromancy,
2020-05-27, 11:26
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 11:03
- Romanticization of the Artist -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-27, 10:49
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-27, 10:20
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Kermit,
2020-05-27, 10:17
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 23:55
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 18:07
- Romanticization of the Artist (this got long) -
Vortech,
2020-05-26, 18:07
- *Slow clap* - MacAddictXIV, 2020-05-27, 08:06
- +1 - marmot 1333, 2020-05-27, 10:43
- A+ - kidtsunami, 2020-05-27, 11:11
- That last paragraph may be a thread killer. I like it. - INSANEdrive, 2020-05-27, 11:54
- Nice. - Kermit, 2020-05-27, 15:35
- I think we finally did it -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-27, 18:23
- We're Doing Guys?? 0.o -
Morpheus,
2020-05-27, 21:09
- We're Doing Guys?? 0.o - Robot Chickens, 2020-05-27, 21:22
- We're Doing Guys?? 0.o -
Morpheus,
2020-05-27, 21:09
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 17:20
- Romanticization of the Artist - bluerunner, 2020-05-26, 16:45
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 16:43
- Romanticization of the Artist -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 15:51
- "The Suffering Artist" Cliché -
Robot Chickens,
2020-05-26, 13:11
- The vilest bullshit -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 22:54
- The vilest bullshit -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 21:37
- The vilest bullshit - Kermit, 2020-05-25, 21:35
- The vilest bullshit -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 21:31
- For the record -
cheapLEY,
2020-05-24, 18:55
- For Future Reference -
INSANEdrive,
2020-05-29, 11:25
- Insane might be a spam account -
unoudid,
2020-05-29, 18:48
- O_o ... Wat? - INSANEdrive, 2020-05-29, 19:16
- Insane might be a spam account -
unoudid,
2020-05-29, 18:48
- Crunch -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-24, 16:17
- Crunch - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-05-24, 17:42
- Minor Qubbles -
INSANEdrive,
2020-05-24, 16:59
- +1 - someotherguy, 2020-05-25, 08:37
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 20:37
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 21:55
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 22:01
- Reading comprehension, Cody :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-05-25, 22:56
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-25, 22:03
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 23:20
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-26, 06:28
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
squidnh3,
2020-05-26, 07:22
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-26, 07:22
- You don't understand anything about crunch. - Cody Miller, 2020-05-26, 07:38
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
unoudid,
2020-05-26, 07:38
- You don't understand anything about crunch. - General Battuta, 2020-05-26, 08:06
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 08:38
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
unoudid,
2020-05-26, 09:17
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-26, 12:07
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 12:18
- You don't understand anything about crunch. - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-05-26, 12:43
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 12:18
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-26, 12:07
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
unoudid,
2020-05-26, 09:17
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-26, 07:22
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
squidnh3,
2020-05-26, 07:22
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
General Battuta,
2020-05-26, 06:28
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 23:20
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-25, 22:01
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
Claude Errera,
2020-05-26, 10:41
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-26, 10:52
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
EffortlessFury,
2020-05-26, 10:57
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-26, 12:30
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... - EffortlessFury, 2020-05-26, 16:38
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-26, 12:30
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
EffortlessFury,
2020-05-26, 10:57
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... - cheapLEY, 2020-05-26, 11:01
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... - Kermit, 2020-05-27, 15:10
- Probably a bad idea to jump in now... -
MacAddictXIV,
2020-05-26, 10:52
- You don't understand anything about crunch. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-25, 21:55
- For the record -
MartyTheElder,
2020-05-24, 16:04
- Crunch is inherently toxic -
someotherguy,
2020-05-25, 08:15
- Crunch is inherently toxic - CruelLEGACEY, 2020-05-25, 10:24
- Crunch is inherently toxic - Cody Miller, 2020-05-25, 10:38
- The Survey -
Cody Miller,
2020-05-26, 16:17
- Heh, cool -
ZackDark,
2020-05-26, 16:51
- All You need to know about this game - Cody Miller, 2020-05-27, 00:06
- Heh, cool -
ZackDark,
2020-05-26, 16:51
- The Game - Cody Miller, 2020-05-27, 12:37
- Crunch -
CruelLEGACEY,
2020-05-24, 14:09