how do you make them like that? (Destiny)
And I think they should… if used skillfully. But if you miss… then you should get wrecked by a primary. Primaries should not be as powerful as specials. They should just be easier to use, more forgiving, and more reliable than specials.Risk / Reward.
I'm not sure how you can make shotguns less forgiving, nor snipers. Removal of the quick/swipe scope technique is a given, but that already has people up in arms in D2.
It's tough. If you do things like slowing player movement, then you promote camping. Slower reloads or fire rate helps, so players have to play smarter to manage the weapon. D2 did a great job balancing snipers; a body shot does fairly low damage, while headshots remain 1HK. People complain about snipers being underpowered, but the Borealis is one of the only Heavy weapons that I take into crucible (another being the Wardcliff coil, when I forget to switch out of it).
As much as some people whine about it, having a single player picking up Heavy at a time while trickling the drops throughout the game was a great way to balance the Heavy/special presence in a match, though Bungie decided to do that while also lumping Specials in with Heavies.
I feel like Snipers and shotguns should hold much more ammo and do more damage in PvE, to make them truly Heavy. As it stands, there's no reason to use either in PvE, when rockets and Swords do far more damage, and with more forgiving ammo.
Also, getting rid of all aim-assist should be a thing for Heavies. Half the time it just gets you killed anyway...
Complete thread:
- Destiny 2 - Development Update 1/11/18 -
CyberKN,
2018-01-11, 16:38
- *slow clap* Well done Bungie. - MacAddictXIV, 2018-01-11, 16:53
- Sounds great. - cheapLEY, 2018-01-11, 16:53
- All sounds promising, and I love the communication. Thanks! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-11, 17:33
- +1 - Blackt1g3r, 2018-01-12, 08:08
- 6v6 Private Matches was all I wanted to hear -
Robot Chickens,
2018-01-11, 18:02
- +6 - Oholiab, 2018-01-11, 18:31
- 6v6 Private Matches was all I wanted to hear -
DEEP_NNN,
2018-01-11, 20:38
- 6v6 Private Matches was all I wanted to hear - Robot Chickens, 2018-01-12, 00:33
- Destiny 2 - Development Update 1/11/18 -
FyreWulff,
2018-01-11, 18:02
- Destiny 2 - Development Update 1/11/18 - Harmanimus, 2018-01-11, 18:15
- Destiny 2 - Development Update 1/11/18 -
squidnh3,
2018-01-11, 18:24
- Destiny 2 - Development Update 1/11/18 - FyreWulff, 2018-01-11, 19:00
- Hopefully, emblem with rank(s) can just be unequipped? -
Pyromancy,
2018-01-11, 18:56
- Nope, our poor performances must live in perpetuity - Robot Chickens, 2018-01-11, 19:00
- Visible Ranks -1. :( -
dogcow,
2018-01-12, 07:45
- I don't get the hate. -
slycrel,
2018-01-12, 08:03
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
Robot Chickens,
2018-01-12, 08:38
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it - dogcow, 2018-01-12, 08:56
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 09:00
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it - dogcow, 2018-01-12, 09:02
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
Robot Chickens,
2018-01-12, 09:15
- Thank Bungie public voice chat is opt-in these days -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-01-12, 09:20
- Thanks for the flashbacks - stabbim, 2018-01-12, 11:59
- Thank Bungie public voice chat is opt-in these days -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-01-12, 09:20
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
stabbim,
2018-01-12, 11:58
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-01-12, 12:06
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
Claude Errera,
2018-01-12, 12:09
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-01-12, 12:12
- Don't give up on your dreams. Keep sleeping. - Claude Errera, 2018-01-12, 12:14
- It's rational... - squidnh3, 2018-01-12, 12:19
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-01-12, 12:12
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it - stabbim, 2018-01-12, 12:12
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
Claude Errera,
2018-01-12, 12:09
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-01-12, 12:06
- Yep. :( -
Kermit,
2018-01-12, 10:00
- Yep. :( -
Korny,
2018-01-12, 10:07
- Yep. :( -
cheapLEY,
2018-01-12, 11:54
- Yep. :( -
stabbim,
2018-01-12, 12:01
- Yep. :( - MacAddictXIV, 2018-01-12, 12:07
- Yep. :( -
Robot Chickens,
2018-01-12, 12:49
- Yep. :( - cheapLEY, 2018-01-12, 14:37
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 14:06
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
cheapLEY,
2018-01-12, 14:37
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 14:47
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
cheapLEY,
2018-01-12, 16:16
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 18:47
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
Vortech,
2018-01-15, 11:05
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. - stabbim, 2018-01-15, 13:45
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
Vortech,
2018-01-15, 11:05
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 18:47
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
cheapLEY,
2018-01-12, 16:16
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 14:47
- When 60 bucks and thumbs gets you into the Olympics. -
cheapLEY,
2018-01-12, 14:37
- Yep. :( -
stabbim,
2018-01-12, 12:01
- Yep. :( -
cheapLEY,
2018-01-12, 11:54
- Yep. :( -
Korny,
2018-01-12, 10:07
- It’s not about feeling good/bad about it -
Robot Chickens,
2018-01-12, 08:38
- Visible Ranks -1. :( -
Cody Miller,
2018-01-12, 08:20
- Visible Ranks -1. :( -
Claude Errera,
2018-01-12, 08:46
- Visible Ranks -1. :( - Harmanimus, 2018-01-12, 14:07
- Visible Ranks -1. :( -
Cody Miller,
2018-01-12, 18:01
- you're assuming the same game types will be in both? - Vortech, 2018-01-15, 11:08
- Visible Ranks -1. :( -
Claude Errera,
2018-01-12, 08:46
- I don't get the hate. -
slycrel,
2018-01-12, 08:03
- Encouraged -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-11, 18:12
- Also hoping the Ability "pass" includes recharge times. - Harmanimus, 2018-01-11, 18:33
- Destiny 2 - Development Update 1/11/18 - Kahzgul, 2018-01-11, 20:19
- still not enough vault space -
unoudid,
2018-01-11, 20:34
- still not enough vault space -
Korny,
2018-01-11, 23:26
- still not enough vault space -
unoudid,
2018-01-12, 03:11
- That assumes old mods won’t get converted to 2.0. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 07:27
- Guessing based on past history. -
unoudid,
2018-01-12, 10:56
- like with shot package -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 13:59
- R.I.P. - CyberKN, 2018-01-12, 14:01
- like with shot package -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 13:59
- Guessing based on past history. -
unoudid,
2018-01-12, 10:56
- That assumes old mods won’t get converted to 2.0. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 07:27
- still not enough vault space -
unoudid,
2018-01-12, 03:11
- still not enough vault space - peaksutah, 2018-01-12, 13:14
- still not enough vault space -
Korny,
2018-01-11, 23:26
- Not impressed -
Avateur,
2018-01-11, 21:00
- Let's give them a year and see. -
Funkmon,
2018-01-12, 06:37
- Let's give them a year and see. -
Cody Miller,
2018-01-12, 18:13
- You're missing variables - Earendil, 2018-01-14, 20:08
- Let's give them a year and see. -
Cody Miller,
2018-01-12, 18:13
- +1 - peaksutah, 2018-01-12, 15:43
- Let's give them a year and see. -
Funkmon,
2018-01-12, 06:37
- TL;DR - Sleep? What's that! - INSANEdrive, 2018-01-11, 21:56
- Great Stuff! - breitzen, 2018-01-12, 06:40
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. -
DEEP_NNN,
2018-01-12, 06:46
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-01-12, 06:49
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. -
DEEP_NNN,
2018-01-12, 07:22
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. - MacAddictXIV, 2018-01-12, 07:23
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 07:30
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. - DEEP_NNN, 2018-01-12, 07:41
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. - Robot Chickens, 2018-01-12, 08:56
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. -
DEEP_NNN,
2018-01-12, 07:22
- 4 months for some changes, let that sink in. -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-01-12, 06:49
- Weapon slot improvements -
Cody Miller,
2018-01-12, 07:45
- Weapon slot improvements - MacAddictXIV, 2018-01-12, 07:47
- Weapon slot improvements -
stabbim,
2018-01-12, 08:24
- Weapon slot improvements - MacAddictXIV, 2018-01-12, 08:27
- Weapon slot improvements -
Durandal,
2018-01-12, 10:22
- Weapon slot improvements -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 10:43
- Weapon slot improvements - MacAddictXIV, 2018-01-12, 10:55
- Weapon slot improvements - Cody Miller, 2018-01-12, 18:06
- Weapon slot improvements -
Cody Miller,
2018-01-12, 18:07
- how do you make them like that? -
Durandal,
2018-01-15, 12:10
- how do you make them like that? -
Korny,
2018-01-15, 12:37
- how do you make them like that? - Durandal, 2018-01-15, 15:09
- how do you make them like that? -
Korny,
2018-01-15, 12:37
- how do you make them like that? -
Durandal,
2018-01-15, 12:10
- Weapon slot improvements -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 10:43
- I really, really hope so. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 08:56
- I really, really hope so. -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-01-12, 08:59
- I really, really hope so. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 10:06
- Gotta disagree with you. -
Claude Errera,
2018-01-12, 12:07
- Gotta disagree with you. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 12:18
- Dunno about that -
ZackDark,
2018-01-12, 13:20
- Dunno about that - CruelLEGACEY, 2018-01-12, 14:03
- Dunno about that -
ZackDark,
2018-01-12, 13:20
- Gotta disagree with you. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 12:18
- I really, really hope so. -
Blackt1g3r,
2018-01-12, 12:19
- Alternate consideration: - Harmanimus, 2018-01-12, 14:29
- I really, really hope so. -
Harmanimus,
2018-01-12, 14:44
- I really, really hope so. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 16:28
- I really, really hope so. - Harmanimus, 2018-01-12, 19:16
- I really, really hope so. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 16:28
- Gotta disagree with you. -
Claude Errera,
2018-01-12, 12:07
- I really, really hope so. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2018-01-12, 10:06
- I really, really hope so. -
MacAddictXIV,
2018-01-12, 08:59
- I guess this is all good... -
Kermit,
2018-01-12, 09:56
- Opportunity Cost - Beorn, 2018-01-12, 11:51
- I guess this is all good... -
MacGyver10,
2018-01-12, 14:39
- I guess this is all good... - cheapLEY, 2018-01-12, 16:18
- Strike scoring, lul - ProbablyLast, 2018-01-12, 17:07
- Chris Barrett tweet on weapons - cheapLEY, 2018-01-14, 19:59