One little tweak... (Gaming)
I totally get what you're saying about subtlety, and I'm on record for hating that line in Halo 4, and that's because it connects dots no one needs help connecting.
I think I'm subconciously bringing this up so you'll agree with me. :P
We're getting into sensitive territory here, but it seems that many of BioShock Infinite's critics wanted it to be a different story than it is--specifically, they wanted a morality tale about racism (the evils of white racists in particular). They wanted the dots to be connected in a very specific way. I submit that what makes the game edgy is that racism is presented as something more complicated, as something like a disease that can be spread to its victims. The danger of this presentation is that it runs the risk of removing moral judgment. Booker speaking out is a counter to that.
This is an excellent point. Your argument has lessened my ignorance, sir.
I don't think you're not ignorant at all. The game inspires all kinds of thoughts and discussions, and to me THAT'S why it deserves to lauded.
I'm not saying Levine was 100% successful in what he was trying to do, but racism--its sources and effects--is presented, thoughtfully and with nuance. Much more so than that Daniel Golding article suggests.
I agree. Ragashingo's take down of it was enough for me.
Actually, I was addressing the article that Jillybean originally linked to, but both articles make some of the same points.
Hate to keep teasing, but I've got more to say. It's a rich game.
Complete thread:
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* -
Jillybean,
2013-08-06, 13:02
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-06, 16:16
- I'm a time travel junkie - Xenos, 2013-08-06, 16:30
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* - kanbo, 2013-08-06, 17:54
- The storytelling was somewhat jumbled. - uberfoop, 2013-08-06, 19:42
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* -
yakaman,
2013-08-07, 04:35
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* -
Jillybean,
2013-08-07, 07:40
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-08-07, 07:46
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* -
Jillybean,
2013-08-07, 07:40
- I liked the gameplay subthread -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-07, 07:53
- I liked the gameplay subthread -
Jillybean,
2013-08-07, 08:12
- I liked the gameplay subthread -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-07, 09:10
- I liked the gameplay subthread -
Kermit,
2013-08-07, 09:19
- I liked the gameplay subthread - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-08-07, 09:56
- I liked the gameplay subthread - Jillybean, 2013-08-07, 11:28
- I liked the gameplay subthread -
Kermit,
2013-08-07, 09:19
- I liked the gameplay subthread -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-07, 09:10
- I liked the gameplay subthread -
Jillybean,
2013-08-07, 08:12
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-07, 11:18
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* - Jillybean, 2013-08-07, 11:28
- scavenging -
kidtsunami,
2013-08-07, 13:05
- scavenging -
Jillybean,
2013-08-07, 13:13
- scavenging -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-07, 13:19
- actually no - kidtsunami, 2013-08-07, 13:48
- scavenging -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-07, 13:19
- scavenging -
Jillybean,
2013-08-07, 13:13
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* -
Schooly D,
2013-08-07, 13:58
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* - Cody Miller, 2013-08-07, 14:14
- I can leave you two alone if it helps. - Jillybean, 2013-08-07, 14:29
- I wonder - ZackDark, 2013-08-07, 17:39
- Super run-on sentences FTW. -
Chewbaccawakka,
2013-08-09, 10:51
- Super run-on sentences FTW. -
Jillybean,
2013-08-09, 10:59
- Super run-on sentences FTW. -
Chewbaccawakka,
2013-08-09, 12:57
- Super run-on sentences FTW. -
Jillybean,
2013-08-09, 13:29
- Super run-on sentences FTW. - Chewbaccawakka, 2013-08-09, 13:55
- Super run-on sentences FTW. -
Jillybean,
2013-08-09, 13:29
- Super run-on sentences FTW. -
Chewbaccawakka,
2013-08-09, 12:57
- Super run-on sentences FTW. -
Jillybean,
2013-08-09, 10:59
- Bioshock makes me appreciate Halo more -
davidfuchs,
2013-08-12, 19:59
- ...also to add to the racism thing -
davidfuchs,
2013-08-12, 20:04
- ...also to add to the racism thing -
Jillybean,
2013-08-13, 12:57
- My view on the racism part *spoiler* - Xenos, 2013-08-13, 13:13
- ...also to add to the racism thing -
Kermit,
2013-08-13, 14:20
- ...also to add to the racism thing -
Jillybean,
2013-08-13, 14:47
- ...also to add to the racism thing - Kermit, 2013-08-13, 15:10
- ...also to add to the racism thing -
Jillybean,
2013-08-13, 14:47
- One little tweak... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-13, 16:06
- One little tweak... -
davidfuchs,
2013-08-13, 17:16
- One little tweak... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-13, 19:45
- One little tweak... -
Kermit,
2013-08-13, 20:38
- One little tweak... -
Jillybean,
2013-08-14, 11:03
- One little tweak... -
Kermit,
2013-08-14, 12:25
- One little tweak... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-14, 14:53
- One little tweak... -
Kermit,
2013-08-14, 17:34
- Agreed. - Xenos, 2013-08-14, 17:51
- +1, or picking apart more bad arguments -
davidfuchs,
2013-08-14, 19:57
- Bad article is bad. *SP* -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-14, 21:48
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
Xenos,
2013-08-14, 22:31
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
davidfuchs,
2013-08-15, 04:50
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
MrPadraig08,
2013-08-15, 08:56
- Hitler trivia time! - davidfuchs, 2013-08-15, 10:06
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
Jillybean,
2013-08-15, 11:59
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
Xenos,
2013-08-15, 12:16
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
MrPadraig08,
2013-08-15, 13:02
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... - Xenos, 2013-08-15, 13:04
- You try to get out... -
Jillybean,
2013-08-15, 13:04
- ...and I keep pulling you back in. -
Xenos,
2013-08-15, 13:10
- You try to get out... - davidfuchs, 2013-08-15, 13:21
- ...and I keep pulling you back in. - MrPadraig08, 2013-08-15, 13:51
- ...and I keep pulling you back in. -
Xenos,
2013-08-15, 13:10
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
MrPadraig08,
2013-08-15, 13:02
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... - Cody Miller, 2013-08-15, 14:34
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
Xenos,
2013-08-15, 12:16
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... - Cody Miller, 2013-08-15, 14:30
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
MrPadraig08,
2013-08-15, 08:56
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-08-15, 15:01
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
davidfuchs,
2013-08-15, 04:50
- Man, our culture doesn't get racism... -
Xenos,
2013-08-14, 22:31
- I still disagree -
Jillybean,
2013-08-15, 11:57
- I still disagree -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-15, 13:02
- Here's a thought... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-16, 10:48
- Here's a thought... - Kermit, 2013-08-16, 11:47
- Here's a thought... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-16, 10:48
- I still disagree - Cody Miller, 2013-08-15, 14:22
- I still disagree -
Kermit,
2013-08-16, 21:19
- I still disagree -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-17, 06:23
- I still disagree -
Kermit,
2013-08-17, 11:10
- I still disagree - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-08-17, 11:45
- I still disagree -
Kermit,
2013-08-17, 11:10
- I still disagree -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-17, 06:23
- I still disagree -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-15, 13:02
- Bad article is bad. *SP* -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-14, 21:48
- One little tweak... - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-08-15, 15:00
- One little tweak... -
Kermit,
2013-08-14, 17:34
- One little tweak... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-14, 14:53
- One little tweak... -
Kermit,
2013-08-14, 12:25
- One little tweak... -
Jillybean,
2013-08-14, 11:03
- One little tweak... -
Kermit,
2013-08-13, 20:38
- One little tweak... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-13, 19:45
- One little tweak... -
davidfuchs,
2013-08-13, 17:16
- ...also to add to the racism thing -
Jillybean,
2013-08-13, 12:57
- ...also to add to the racism thing -
davidfuchs,
2013-08-12, 20:04
- Let's talk about Bioshock Infinite *long and spoilery baby* -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-06, 16:16