Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. (Destiny)
Mission structure is one of Destiny's biggest weaknesses. There's actually very little story or scripted events in something like Attack on the Control Room or Two Betrayals. But because they're something like an hour long you can be given an overall objective and happily push and push towards it with only very occasional prompts from Cortana. Plus, because the levels were long, there was time to include neat little moments.
The Marines getting dropped off in AotCR isn't some massive scripted event. It places a Warthog, a Tank, and like six marines. But it means the world to the feel of the level and its works because the level is long enough for them to matter. They only ever say, what, two or three lines of mission dialogue but we ended up protecting them and sheparding them and swapping them out into the right order and reloading if Sarge died.
The first few missions of Destiny were five minutes long, if that. What would I even do with tanks and aircraft and friendly AI units? There were only a couple of levels in vanilla Destiny that had enough meat on them to feel good.
I still love the attack on the House of Winter's Ketch and Kell. It made good use of the volcano section of Venus. You fought your way a good distance from point A to point B similar to a Halo level. You had to enter actual enemy territory like with a lot of Halo levels. And the music that built up in the way spiraling down to the up to the Ketch was amazing. The fight to the Vex Spire being guarded deep within the Cabal base was similarly good. It had us fight through a significant section of Mars. It had multiple successive objectives. It had that fun little moment where the Cabal ambush us by jetpacking right up to us directly after our Ghost speculates it being a trap, and the fight around the Spire could get tough on occasion.
I've always wish Destiny's missions were more like Strikes, and Strikes were more like Raids. Not necessarily in requiring the same fireteam sizes or puzzle solving, but longer missions give more time for story and neat encounters. Base gameplay is fine. Enemy factions are fine. Having missions be three minutes long? That's what needed / needs to be fixed!
Complete thread:
- Asset Systems and Scalability -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-04, 17:36
- Cool. Saw this yesterday then forgot about it... Will watch. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-04, 17:56
- TLDW: - Cody Miller, 2017-01-04, 18:49
- Super Facinating! -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-05, 03:31
- Super Facinating! -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-05, 13:34
- Super Facinating! -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-05, 13:56
- Super Facinating! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-05, 14:30
- Super Facinating! - Ragashingo, 2017-01-05, 15:51
- Super Facinating! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-05, 14:30
- Super Facinating! -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-05, 13:56
- Super Facinating! -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-05, 13:34
- One Other Thing... -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-05, 16:16
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-05, 16:46
- One Other Thing... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-05, 16:56
- I'm never telling you about the near screw ups - Durandal, 2017-01-05, 17:22
- One Other Thing... -
bluerunner,
2017-01-05, 17:25
- One Other Thing... - Claude Errera, 2017-01-05, 19:02
- Agreed 100% - marmot 1333, 2017-01-05, 17:37
- One Other Thing... - slycrel, 2017-01-05, 17:41
- One Other Thing... -
dogcow,
2017-01-05, 18:31
- One Other Thing... - Cody Miller, 2017-01-05, 19:25
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-05, 19:27
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-05, 19:45
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-05, 20:12
- One Other Thing... - Cody Miller, 2017-01-05, 22:46
- One Other Thing... - cheapLEY, 2017-01-05, 22:52
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 16:59
- One Other Thing... - Claude Errera, 2017-01-06, 17:18
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-06, 18:21
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 18:38
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-06, 19:23
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:28
- One Other Thing... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-06, 19:32
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 20:34
- One Other Thing... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-06, 20:54
- One Other Thing... -
Korny,
2017-01-07, 15:36
- One Other Thing... - Harmanimus, 2017-01-09, 16:54
- On a related note... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-07, 19:04
- I have seen it - Cody Miller, 2017-01-07, 20:10
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:28
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-06, 19:23
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 18:38
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-05, 20:12
- One Other Thing... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-05, 19:57
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-05, 19:45
- Agreed. - Kermit, 2017-01-05, 22:22
- I take offense to your statements -
unoudid,
2017-01-05, 22:31
- I take offense to your statements - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-05, 23:08
- I take offense to your statements -
Oholiab,
2017-01-06, 00:24
- I take offense to your statements - unoudid, 2017-01-06, 01:13
- Tell me more about chairs pls. -
Funkmon,
2017-01-06, 04:49
- +1 - cheapLEY, 2017-01-06, 12:35
- Tell me more about chairs pls. - unoudid, 2017-01-06, 12:46
- Tell me more about chairs pls. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 12:48
- If I must -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 14:22
- Bonus points for hitting 2 birds with 1 stone XD -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 16:33
- A Stone you say? -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 17:33
- Is there any way you can tie this to ScarJo? lol -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 17:51
- Well, this got weird - stabbim, 2017-01-06, 18:26
- Wasn't she tied to a chair in Avengers? -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 18:38
- This research at work is getting sketchy - unoudid, 2017-01-06, 18:42
- The best I can do -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 19:02
- You're setting a dangerous precident by humouring me ;p -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:23
- Time for a trip down memory Lane -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 19:43
- Cranbrook also has a few museums on its land - Funkmon, 2017-01-07, 11:53
- chairs.bungie.org - someotherguy, 2017-01-08, 21:56
- Time for a trip down memory Lane -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 19:43
- You're setting a dangerous precident by humouring me ;p -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:23
- Is there any way you can tie this to ScarJo? lol -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 17:51
- Birds? Le Corbusier aka The Crow -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 17:50
- A much better image than Jobs -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 20:08
- That chair looks like if someone said to me... -
Funkmon,
2017-01-07, 11:55
- That chair looks like if someone said to me... -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-07, 13:06
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-07, 14:21
- That chair looks like if someone said to me... -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-07, 13:06
- That chair looks like if someone said to me... -
Funkmon,
2017-01-07, 11:55
- A much better image than Jobs -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 20:08
- A Stone you say? -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 17:33
- DBO: We know more about chairs than you do. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 19:32
- DBO: We know more about chairs than you do. - unoudid, 2017-01-06, 19:44
- If I must - BeardFade, 2017-01-06, 21:55
- Bonus points for hitting 2 birds with 1 stone XD -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 16:33
- If I must -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 14:22
- I take offense to your statements -
Xenos,
2017-01-06, 15:20
- I take offense to your statements -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-06, 16:23
- I take offense to your statements - CyberKN, 2017-01-06, 16:28
- I take offense to your statements -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-06, 16:23
- RIP Mary Tyler Moore -
unoudid,
2017-01-26, 12:25
- RIP Mary Tyler Moore - Kermit, 2017-01-26, 17:05
- "Everyone I know Goes away in the end" -
Pyromancy,
2017-01-28, 08:18
- "Everyone I know Goes away in the end" -
unoudid,
2017-01-28, 16:05
- This is amazing -
Robot Chickens,
2017-01-30, 23:31
- This is amazing - unoudid, 2017-01-31, 00:01
- This is amazing -
Robot Chickens,
2017-01-30, 23:31
- "Everyone I know Goes away in the end" -
unoudid,
2017-01-28, 16:05
- Counterpoints in the dark -
narcogen,
2017-01-06, 02:01
- Counterpoints in the dark -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-06, 03:14
- FTFY - Kermit, 2017-01-06, 15:10
- Counterpoints in the dark -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-06, 03:14
- One Other Thing... -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-06, 05:05
- One Other Thing... - Harmanimus, 2017-01-06, 15:39
- One Other Thing... -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 16:41
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 17:47
- One Other Thing... -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 18:05
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:16
- One Other Thing... - Cody Miller, 2017-01-06, 21:31
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:16
- One Other Thing... - stabbim, 2017-01-06, 18:29
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 18:48
- One Other Thing... Wall Hugging Hippos. -
dogcow,
2017-01-09, 14:09
- +1 - Kermit, 2017-01-09, 14:34
- One Other Thing... Wall Hugging Hippos. -
dogcow,
2017-01-09, 14:09
- One Other Thing... -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 18:05
- One Other Thing... -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-07, 05:53
- +1 million -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-07, 13:23
- Thanks buddy :) It's taken me awhile to figure out, too -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-07, 17:57
- For whatever it's worth . . . - cheapLEY, 2017-01-07, 21:11
- Thanks buddy :) It's taken me awhile to figure out, too -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-07, 17:57
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-07, 18:40
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-07, 20:05
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-08, 00:18
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-08, 01:59
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-09, 14:50
- One Other Thing... - Cody Miller, 2017-01-09, 17:00
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-09, 14:50
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-08, 01:59
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-08, 00:18
- One Other Thing... -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-07, 21:53
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Funkmon,
2017-01-08, 07:13
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 13:56
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 14:39
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 14:43
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 15:06
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 15:16
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 15:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-08, 16:05
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. - cheapLEY, 2017-01-08, 16:51
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
uberfoop,
2017-01-08, 18:15
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 18:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-08, 20:39
- Did we just full circle this thing? - ZackDark, 2017-01-08, 23:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-08, 20:39
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-08, 18:49
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. - Kahzgul, 2017-01-09, 05:23
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 18:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-08, 16:05
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 15:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 15:16
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 15:06
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
stabbim,
2017-01-09, 12:49
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-01-09, 15:42
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. - uberfoop, 2017-01-09, 19:13
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-09, 20:03
- Nor their tails -
Durandal,
2017-01-09, 21:58
- Nor their tails - dogcow, 2017-01-09, 22:18
- Nor their tails -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-09, 22:58
- Nor their tails - Cody Miller, 2017-01-10, 00:23
- Nor their tails -
Durandal,
2017-01-09, 21:58
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. - Kahzgul, 2017-01-10, 21:39
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-01-09, 15:42
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 14:43
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 14:39
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 13:56
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Funkmon,
2017-01-08, 07:13
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-07, 20:05
- +1 million -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-07, 13:23
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 17:47
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-05, 16:46
- Asset Systems & Scalability, Thx Butcher&Bungie, Fascinating -
dogcow,
2017-01-05, 20:08
- +1000 - Claude Errera, 2017-01-05, 20:09
- Asset Systems & Scalability, Thx Butcher&Bungie, Fascinating - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-05, 20:22
- He always give quality talks - kidtsunami, 2017-01-05, 22:30
- Building Your Airplane While Flying - uberfoop, 2017-01-07, 08:04
- Cool. Saw this yesterday then forgot about it... Will watch. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-04, 17:56