One Other Thing... (Destiny)
I think there are two views here that can co-exist. Firstly, you're spot on that no one is entitled to know how the sausage is made. I've made quite a few of these sausages and the process is hilariously painful.
And second, Raga is right that if you tell me the sausage is made of pork, there damn well better be some pork in there.
And this is the issue with Destiny. The PR team wasn't just saying "everything is fine, ignore the man behind the curtain." They were saying "This game has X Y and Z. Your weapons will tell the tale of your guardian. Your will become legend. If you see a mountain in the distance, you can go there. Saturn is a thing." So they sold us a "pork" sausage, and what we got was a chicken sausage. It's not the advertised product.
And so I agree with Raga in that, if Bungie had been up front about major changes, or problems, or even top level decisions to just do it differently from how it had been previously advertised, those of us who do feel like we were lied to wouldn't feel that way. And I also agree with you that Bungie didn't need to tell us about the problems in their backend pipeline.
What they could and, I feel, should have done, is told us that some of the advertising we'd seen was no longer accurate. Reasons weren't needed. But honesty was.
Bungie is going to have to earn back my trust, and the livestreams and ads they've been putting out really aren't doing it for me. Fortunately, chats like the link in the OP really, really do make me feel better. They didn't need to tell me what really happened, but the fact that they are is promising.
Complete thread:
- Asset Systems and Scalability -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-04, 17:36
- Cool. Saw this yesterday then forgot about it... Will watch. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-04, 17:56
- TLDW: - Cody Miller, 2017-01-04, 18:49
- Super Facinating! -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-05, 03:31
- Super Facinating! -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-05, 13:34
- Super Facinating! -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-05, 13:56
- Super Facinating! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-05, 14:30
- Super Facinating! - Ragashingo, 2017-01-05, 15:51
- Super Facinating! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-05, 14:30
- Super Facinating! -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-05, 13:56
- Super Facinating! -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-05, 13:34
- One Other Thing... -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-05, 16:16
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-05, 16:46
- One Other Thing... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-05, 16:56
- I'm never telling you about the near screw ups - Durandal, 2017-01-05, 17:22
- One Other Thing... -
bluerunner,
2017-01-05, 17:25
- One Other Thing... - Claude Errera, 2017-01-05, 19:02
- Agreed 100% - marmot 1333, 2017-01-05, 17:37
- One Other Thing... - slycrel, 2017-01-05, 17:41
- One Other Thing... -
dogcow,
2017-01-05, 18:31
- One Other Thing... - Cody Miller, 2017-01-05, 19:25
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-05, 19:27
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-05, 19:45
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-05, 20:12
- One Other Thing... - Cody Miller, 2017-01-05, 22:46
- One Other Thing... - cheapLEY, 2017-01-05, 22:52
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 16:59
- One Other Thing... - Claude Errera, 2017-01-06, 17:18
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-06, 18:21
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 18:38
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-06, 19:23
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:28
- One Other Thing... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-06, 19:32
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 20:34
- One Other Thing... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-06, 20:54
- One Other Thing... -
Korny,
2017-01-07, 15:36
- One Other Thing... - Harmanimus, 2017-01-09, 16:54
- On a related note... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-07, 19:04
- I have seen it - Cody Miller, 2017-01-07, 20:10
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:28
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-06, 19:23
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 18:38
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-05, 20:12
- One Other Thing... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-05, 19:57
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-05, 19:45
- Agreed. - Kermit, 2017-01-05, 22:22
- I take offense to your statements -
unoudid,
2017-01-05, 22:31
- I take offense to your statements - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-05, 23:08
- I take offense to your statements -
Oholiab,
2017-01-06, 00:24
- I take offense to your statements - unoudid, 2017-01-06, 01:13
- Tell me more about chairs pls. -
Funkmon,
2017-01-06, 04:49
- +1 - cheapLEY, 2017-01-06, 12:35
- Tell me more about chairs pls. - unoudid, 2017-01-06, 12:46
- Tell me more about chairs pls. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 12:48
- If I must -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 14:22
- Bonus points for hitting 2 birds with 1 stone XD -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 16:33
- A Stone you say? -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 17:33
- Is there any way you can tie this to ScarJo? lol -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 17:51
- Well, this got weird - stabbim, 2017-01-06, 18:26
- Wasn't she tied to a chair in Avengers? -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 18:38
- This research at work is getting sketchy - unoudid, 2017-01-06, 18:42
- The best I can do -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 19:02
- You're setting a dangerous precident by humouring me ;p -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:23
- Time for a trip down memory Lane -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 19:43
- Cranbrook also has a few museums on its land - Funkmon, 2017-01-07, 11:53
- chairs.bungie.org - someotherguy, 2017-01-08, 21:56
- Time for a trip down memory Lane -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 19:43
- You're setting a dangerous precident by humouring me ;p -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:23
- Is there any way you can tie this to ScarJo? lol -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 17:51
- Birds? Le Corbusier aka The Crow -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 17:50
- A much better image than Jobs -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 20:08
- That chair looks like if someone said to me... -
Funkmon,
2017-01-07, 11:55
- That chair looks like if someone said to me... -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-07, 13:06
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-07, 14:21
- That chair looks like if someone said to me... -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-07, 13:06
- That chair looks like if someone said to me... -
Funkmon,
2017-01-07, 11:55
- A much better image than Jobs -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 20:08
- A Stone you say? -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 17:33
- DBO: We know more about chairs than you do. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 19:32
- DBO: We know more about chairs than you do. - unoudid, 2017-01-06, 19:44
- If I must - BeardFade, 2017-01-06, 21:55
- Bonus points for hitting 2 birds with 1 stone XD -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 16:33
- If I must -
unoudid,
2017-01-06, 14:22
- I take offense to your statements -
Xenos,
2017-01-06, 15:20
- I take offense to your statements -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-06, 16:23
- I take offense to your statements - CyberKN, 2017-01-06, 16:28
- I take offense to your statements -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-06, 16:23
- RIP Mary Tyler Moore -
unoudid,
2017-01-26, 12:25
- RIP Mary Tyler Moore - Kermit, 2017-01-26, 17:05
- "Everyone I know Goes away in the end" -
Pyromancy,
2017-01-28, 08:18
- "Everyone I know Goes away in the end" -
unoudid,
2017-01-28, 16:05
- This is amazing -
Robot Chickens,
2017-01-30, 23:31
- This is amazing - unoudid, 2017-01-31, 00:01
- This is amazing -
Robot Chickens,
2017-01-30, 23:31
- "Everyone I know Goes away in the end" -
unoudid,
2017-01-28, 16:05
- Counterpoints in the dark -
narcogen,
2017-01-06, 02:01
- Counterpoints in the dark -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-06, 03:14
- FTFY - Kermit, 2017-01-06, 15:10
- Counterpoints in the dark -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-06, 03:14
- One Other Thing... -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-06, 05:05
- One Other Thing... - Harmanimus, 2017-01-06, 15:39
- One Other Thing... -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 16:41
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 17:47
- One Other Thing... -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 18:05
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:16
- One Other Thing... - Cody Miller, 2017-01-06, 21:31
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 19:16
- One Other Thing... - stabbim, 2017-01-06, 18:29
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-06, 18:48
- One Other Thing... Wall Hugging Hippos. -
dogcow,
2017-01-09, 14:09
- +1 - Kermit, 2017-01-09, 14:34
- One Other Thing... Wall Hugging Hippos. -
dogcow,
2017-01-09, 14:09
- One Other Thing... -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-06, 18:05
- One Other Thing... -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-07, 05:53
- +1 million -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-07, 13:23
- Thanks buddy :) It's taken me awhile to figure out, too -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-07, 17:57
- For whatever it's worth . . . - cheapLEY, 2017-01-07, 21:11
- Thanks buddy :) It's taken me awhile to figure out, too -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-07, 17:57
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-07, 18:40
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-07, 20:05
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-08, 00:18
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-08, 01:59
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-09, 14:50
- One Other Thing... - Cody Miller, 2017-01-09, 17:00
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-09, 14:50
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-08, 01:59
- One Other Thing... -
Kermit,
2017-01-08, 00:18
- One Other Thing... -
Kahzgul,
2017-01-07, 21:53
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Funkmon,
2017-01-08, 07:13
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 13:56
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 14:39
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 14:43
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 15:06
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 15:16
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 15:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-08, 16:05
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. - cheapLEY, 2017-01-08, 16:51
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
uberfoop,
2017-01-08, 18:15
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 18:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-08, 20:39
- Did we just full circle this thing? - ZackDark, 2017-01-08, 23:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-08, 20:39
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-08, 18:49
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. - Kahzgul, 2017-01-09, 05:23
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 18:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-08, 16:05
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 15:27
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 15:16
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 15:06
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
stabbim,
2017-01-09, 12:49
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-01-09, 15:42
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. - uberfoop, 2017-01-09, 19:13
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-09, 20:03
- Nor their tails -
Durandal,
2017-01-09, 21:58
- Nor their tails - dogcow, 2017-01-09, 22:18
- Nor their tails -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-09, 22:58
- Nor their tails - Cody Miller, 2017-01-10, 00:23
- Nor their tails -
Durandal,
2017-01-09, 21:58
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. - Kahzgul, 2017-01-10, 21:39
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
DiscipleN2k,
2017-01-09, 15:42
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 14:43
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-08, 14:39
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Xenos,
2017-01-08, 13:56
- Lots of people felt misled about Halo 2. -
Funkmon,
2017-01-08, 07:13
- One Other Thing... -
Cody Miller,
2017-01-07, 20:05
- +1 million -
cheapLEY,
2017-01-07, 13:23
- One Other Thing... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-01-06, 17:47
- One Other Thing... -
Claude Errera,
2017-01-05, 16:46
- Asset Systems & Scalability, Thx Butcher&Bungie, Fascinating -
dogcow,
2017-01-05, 20:08
- +1000 - Claude Errera, 2017-01-05, 20:09
- Asset Systems & Scalability, Thx Butcher&Bungie, Fascinating - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-01-05, 20:22
- He always give quality talks - kidtsunami, 2017-01-05, 22:30
- Building Your Airplane While Flying - uberfoop, 2017-01-07, 08:04
- Cool. Saw this yesterday then forgot about it... Will watch. -
Ragashingo,
2017-01-04, 17:56