Except everyone can get Touch of Malice (Destiny)

by CruelLEGACEY , Toronto, Friday, October 30, 2015, 17:13 (3579 days ago) @ Korny

because no part of earning it is based on RNG. Not a single iota. Thus, ToM is a legitimate measure of player experience, skill, and dedication, whereas Gjally was only a measure of player luck.

Apart from CoO RNG that does invalidate your point, the idea is that people exclude others for not having it (one could even make the argument that since Xur sold it the second week, there was no RNG involved in obtaining it at first, but that's a stretch, and I won't make that argument). I don't have a ToM, and I didn't bother searching for calcified fragments, because that's not in line with how I find fun in the game.

And before somebody comes in trying to blame Bungie or the grinding elements of the game, my issue is not with them. I don't mind how you have to get the weapon. My issue is with people who won't give someone a chance simply because they didn't go out of their way to do a specific quest. Will I get a ToM? At some point, yes. But not to be able to participate. The LFG is outside of the game. It's my choice to use that tool, and so I have to adapt to the community surrounding it, but I'm not going to play the game in a way that I don't want to just for that opportunity. They don't want a Relic Runner that can guarantee 40+ seconds on the clock? They don't want someone who always remembers to take out the Fourth Ogre? Whatevs.

But it's messed up that there are hundreds of people out there who are also excluded by the community. That was the issue with Gjallarhorn, and the same issue with Touch of Malice.

So I agree with a lot of what you have to say. But I do also see where people who make these LFG requirements are coming from.

9 times out of 10, playing with randoms sucks. Even if 5 out of the 6 players in your LFG group end up being cool, decent people who know what they are doing, it only takes 1 jerk to ruin everything. In this scenario, my definition of "jerk" includes people who are not upfront about their skill/gear/experience before joining an event. There's nothing wrong with being inexperienced/low level/not great at the game... I met many DBOers by coming here as such a player and asking for help. But I was up-front about where I was coming from.

If someone creates an LFG post and they only want experienced raiders in their group, requiring ToM is a way to at least know a few important things about the players who join them. It means they have definitely done the raid before, have completed a good chunk of TTK content on this character, and have at least 1 high-level primary that will do well during the raid.

I know you. So if we raid together, I know that you will do well with whatever weapons you choose to use. And even if you don't do well, it doesn't matter because I like you :) But if I've only got 1.5-2 hours to play and I want to do a quick raid with randoms, a quick gear check is one of the only tools we have to know if we're joining up with the right people.