You probably know by now you can get the digital version for half price through Deals with Gold.

The PS4 disc version is also less than $30 right now.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BGA9Y3W

You probably know by now you can get the digital version for half price through Deals with Gold.

The PS4 disc version is also less than $30 right now.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BGA9Y3W

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Oddly enough, the PS3 version is also $30, but the 360 version is $35...

You probably know by now you can get the digital version for half price through Deals with Gold.

The PS4 disc version is also less than $30 right now.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BGA9Y3W

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Oddly enough, the PS3 version is also $30, but the 360 version is $35...

Where are you guys seeing this? The Deals with Gold thing on the Xbone is only showing me the "digital guardian edition" for basically the same price as the regular version.

Here's just Destiny for Xbone.

https://store.xbox.com/en-US/Xbox-One/Games/Destiny/212b4dcb-549a-452b-9fe8-51748c1f7e07

Though I don't really know why you'd not want the expansion pass unless you already owned that some other way.

You probably know by now you can get the digital version for half price through Deals with Gold.

The PS4 disc version is also less than $30 right now.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BGA9Y3W

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Oddly enough, the PS3 version is also $30, but the 360 version is $35...

Where are you guys seeing this? The Deals with Gold thing on the Xbone is only showing me the "digital guardian edition" for basically the same price as the regular version.

The DGE was only 33% off, putting it roughly at the price of retail for the regular edition. I assume you have to go to the regular version through the website (the Xbone market has an annoying habit of only showing one version or the "Bundle Only" crap) to see the 50% off (which I think Kermit's linked in his reply).

You probably know by now you can get the digital version for half price through Deals with Gold.

The PS4 disc version is also less than $30 right now.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BGA9Y3W

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Oddly enough, the PS3 version is also $30, but the 360 version is $35...

Locking PS4's whole library

I'm curious to fire up my PS4 just to check as I only just downloaded PT at the end...

Though I don't really know why you'd not want the expansion pass unless you already owned that some other way.

If you've already bought both the game and the expansion pass for the 360, then you'll get the expansion pass on next-gen for free.

I missed it at the time, but apparently the "free digital upgrade" thing was extended indefinitely, ONLY for the DLC.

You probably know by now you can get the digital version for half price through Deals with Gold.

The PS4 disc version is also less than $30 right now.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BGA9Y3W

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Oddly enough, the PS3 version is also $30, but the 360 version is $35...

Locking PS4's whole library

I'm curious to fire up my PS4 just to check as I only just downloaded PT at the end...

And that's why I'll never go full digital. I'll always buy Physical/DRM-free media when it's available.

But for real, this P.T. thing is just such a mess.

A friend told me he noticed that trend with quite a few games he owns. Maybe XBL doesn't force developers to separate generations on the season passes and they all forget to do so.

Thanks for this. My PS4 once or twice a week goes nuts and decides to spit out any disc inserted continually. I've been on the edge for months of buying the digital edition but it seemed like such a waste. But I think this will push me over the edge. =)

You probably know by now you can get the digital version for half price through Deals with Gold.

The PS4 disc version is also less than $30 right now.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BGA9Y3W

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Oddly enough, the PS3 version is also $30, but the 360 version is $35...

Locking PS4's whole library

I'm curious to fire up my PS4 just to check as I only just downloaded PT at the end...

It seems to be a small number of people affected by this, which is clearly temporary if true, of course, despite what the fearmongering "who knows if this will ever work!" article says, because the "checks all licenses at once" statement is completely false.

The proposed solution, "Some users are noting that the problem can be fixed by activating the PS4 you’re using as your primary PS4 and then opting to restore the licenses" literally takes about 15 seconds to do.

Here's just Destiny for Xbone.

https://store.xbox.com/en-US/Xbox-One/Games/Destiny/212b4dcb-549a-452b-9fe8-51748c1f7e07

thanks

Though I don't really know why you'd not want the expansion pass unless you already owned that some other way.

money, obviously-- I'd like to have the expansions and a physical copy, I wouldn't even be considering this deal if I didn't have half the price in MS credit, most of which will expire soon (plus I can get a chunk more to lower the price further)
Do you know when the deal expires? It's still between this and ODST for the MCC, which I haven't seen any date or price for still, and I have until next month to use the credit.

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Thanks for this. My PS4 once or twice a week goes nuts and decides to spit out any disc inserted continually. I've been on the edge for months of buying the digital edition but it seemed like such a waste. But I think this will push me over the edge. =)

I had that problem. Have you done this?

Also, I don't think the PS4 digital version is on sale.

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Tinfoil hat? It's absolutely real. Just look at P.T. If you have it now, and lose it somehow (delete it or your drive goes), there's no way to get it back.

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Tinfoil hat? It's absolutely real. Just look at P.T. If you have it now, and lose it somehow (delete it or your drive goes), there's no way to get it back.

Uh, we should probably make refunds or something whenever they do take something down mandatory, then.

What's P.T.?

Also, I mean, if you accidentally break your disk in half, and they're not being sold anymore, you're kinda SOL as well.

Not defending this irretrievability, of course, just wondering how comparable that scenario is, since I don't actually know what P.T. is.

A shame that the Digital Guardian Edition is $60, even after they announced parts of the DLC becoming free.

Bummer.

Sometimes, rarely, simply turning it off (not in rest mode) for a few hours will stop the problem. Usually I have to unplug it for a bit then plug it back in. After that it works fine anywhere from a couple days to a couple weeks. Then it happens again. I've had it happen both in rest mode and when it is "powered off" but still plugged in.

As a software developer it pisses me off -- it's some sort of software/firmware issue if you can simply unplug the console for a few seconds to fix the problem.

I probably should RMA it but here we are a week from house of wolves... Pretty sure RMAing it will take more time than I'd like to be without it. So I continue to be mad about it. heh.

In case your tinfoil hat makes you fear digital...

Tinfoil hat? It's absolutely real. Just look at P.T. If you have it now, and lose it somehow (delete it or your drive goes), there's no way to get it back.

That's sort of a weird example, as it works against that argument in almost every way.

As a sort of a demo, there was no disk version of PT, nor would there ever be. So if you avoid digital, you'd never had a chance to play PT-- ever!

Also, if you have a game on disc and lose or damage it, that's pretty much it. Go buy a new copy. It's been a long, long time since I heard of a disc replacement service, and games go out of print all the time, whereas digital vendors like GOG and Steam pick up the slack by offering a long tail of older games packaged with emulators to run on modern hardware and OSes.

The real danger with regard to digital is the idea that without your consent or perhaps even your knowledge, publishers could revoke your access to a product you purchased or downloaded.

In the case of PT, they have not yet done this. You can't download it now if you hadn't ever, and now you can't replace your download if you lost or deleted it. But if you have it, you can keep it and play it-- so far. And if a free teaser for a game that now won't ever be made really was the be-all and end-all for a PS4 owner, well, I guess you could disconnect it from the Internet, put on a tinfoil hat, and play PT forever.

In every way that matters except resale, digital is better, and the situation with PT is one of the best possible examples. It's a product that would never have existed outside of digital distribution (or perhaps a gaming magazine disc, when those existed) and I can't think why you would cite it as the opposite.

What's P.T.?

It was (is) an amazingly well-crafted PS4 horror game (it was a teaser, but served as a standalone first-person puzzle game). The thing about it was the way the internet exploded with people trying to figure out how to solve the puzzles, interpret the meanings, and speculate on everything, since nobody had any idea what they were in for, or how to piece together the bits and pieces. I had not seen such an impromptu community form as quickly or as enthusiastically since Halo 2's "I Love Bees" event occurred (entire forums and gaming sites dedicated themselves to the game). It was a great experience, and the payoff was amazing:

Hideo Kojima
Guillermo Del Toro
Norman Reedus

Silent Hills
A Kojima Productions game

Bam. Cue collective head explosions...

And now, thanks to Konami screwing everything up for everyone, it is no more, it's gone from the marketplace (although they did give a decent heads up to let you download it), and can no longer be re-downloaded if you delete it (although you can still back it up to an external drive for safekeeping).

Also, I mean, if you accidentally break your disk in half, and they're not being sold anymore, you're kinda SOL as well.

With physical, you buy one disk that will eventually scratch or break (unless you're super careful), and that's it.

Thanks to the way Digital licensing works, buying any game nets me two copies of the game, As my co-op buddy for life and I have two PS4s we only ever buy one copy of a game, as opposed to the non-digital era of gaming, where we always had to buy two copies of a game, two copies of DLC, and if one of our disks got scratched, we had to buy a whole new copy of the game.

With digital, we can infinitely download it to any new console we want to. I actually lend a friend a few states away my games this way. He just logs in as me, sets his console as Primary, then downloads and plays the game as much as he wants (And I can still simultaneously play the game on my own console). When he's done, he just disables the primary and that's that.

Not defending this irretrievability, of course, just wondering how comparable that scenario is, since I don't actually know what P.T. is.

With PT it really doesn't matter, because it was completely free, and if you have it, you can keep it forever (unless they decide to revoke your free license).
That said, if they were to do this to any other piece of digital content (and I don't recall them ever doing so), and they revoke your license... How is that any different that a scratched disk?

tl;dr, Cody Is Wrong.

A shame that the Digital Guardian Edition is $60, even after they announced parts of the DLC becoming free.

AND you don't need any DLC to hit max rank once HoW drops...

Still, you're getting a ton (though that's not the way a lot of folks see it) of content either way, so $30 extra isn't too much to pay for the game...

If I remember correctly they have not lowered the price of the expansions, though. Kind of a shame, (I feel like I should buy the expansions for the Xbox version that I never play just to make my waste complete, I guess). Especially weird that the price didn't go down given that a chunk of the first expansion is now free.

tl;dr, Cody Is Wrong.

I'm not wrong. I said if you remove it from your hard drive, either by deleting it, or by having your hard drive fail, you cannot get it back and can no longer play. This is 100% true. It's not an opinion, but a fact.

If you scratch a game disc, you can buy another new or used one. You at least have an opportunity to get it back. Comparing the situations is completely false.

In every way that matters except resale, digital is better, and the situation with PT is one of the best possible examples. It's a product that would never have existed outside of digital distribution (or perhaps a gaming magazine disc, when those existed) and I can't think why you would cite it as the opposite.

I cited it because your access to it can be beyond your control. If you buy a game disc, or a cartridge, the longevity is related to the care you put into preserving it. If it's scratched or damaged, that's your fault. I have never had a game disc go bad. Ever. And I have some that are as old as 1991. I would be surprised if you had access to your digitally purchased media 24 years from now.

In contrast, I have had tons of hard drives go bad. To my knowledge, I can't simply back up my PS4's hard disk (if you can, please let me know!). If it ever does, then I am out the ability to play P.T.

I am absolutely confident in my ability to play the old Lucasarts adventure games I have on CD in the future. I am not so confident about all the few XBLA games I have bought over the years.

Digital distribution is better in zero ways than physical, except for maybe not having to wait for a disc to come in the mail. If P.T. were on a magazine demo disc, or a demo included with a commercial game, the situation would not even be occurring.

If you scratch a game disc, you can buy another new or used one. You at least have an opportunity to get it back.

That's not a fair argument. Can you find Halo PC discs now? Halo PC discs that will install and run? Without some funky business, I seriously doubt you can.

Hell, I've been looking for an OXbox copy of Jedi Academy forever now..

Hell, I've been looking for an OXbox copy of Jedi Academy forever now..

Dude, it took me 15 seconds to find a copy.

Also, provided I have windows XP or something, what's preventing me from getting a Halo PC disc on ebay? I don't understand the problem.

Digital distribution is better in zero ways than physical, except for maybe not having to wait for a disc to come in the mail.

That's also not fair. Korny pointed the major plus there. You are arguing that you are pretty much delegating the care for the game to a 3rd (or 2nd) party. If you think that is inherently bad, than you have trust issues (however well founded they might be). I, for one, trust Steam a lot more than I trust my parents' housekeeping.

Dude, it took me 15 seconds to find a copy.

Someone, ffs, find a way to get that to me. (See, another massively positive point in digital distribution: I'm not limited by physical shipping rates/laws.)

Also, provided I have windows XP or something, what's preventing me from getting a Halo PC disc on ebay? I don't understand the problem.

I was under the impression getting a working CD key for it is nigh-impossible these days. Sure, you could crack it, but that falls into "funky business".

I was under the impression getting a working CD key for it is nigh-impossible these days. Sure, you could crack it, but that falls into "funky business".

Just use the one on the back of the manual? Make sure a used copy includes the manual.

Digital distribution is better in zero ways than physical, except for maybe not having to wait for a disc to come in the mail.

That's also not fair. Korny pointed the major plus there. You are arguing that you are pretty much delegating the care for the game to a 3rd (or 2nd) party. If you think that is inherently bad, than you have trust issues (however well founded they might be). I, for one, trust Steam a lot more than I trust my parents' housekeeping.

Digital distribution is better on the PC granted, since you generally have access to, and the possibility of, cracks, backups, and interpreters and stuff should games become unavailable. Not so much on consoles.

I cited it because your access to it can be beyond your control. If you buy a game disc, or a cartridge, the longevity is related to the care you put into preserving it.

Exactly the same for a game on your hard drive. What's more, you CAN back up your entire drive on PS4, so your argument is effectively moot. You can't back up a CD (well, not legally). I feel like backing PT up to every new Hard drive that I get, and I totally can.

If it's scratched or damaged, that's your fault. I have never had a game disc go bad. Ever. And I have some that are as old as 1991. I would be surprised if you had access to your digitally purchased media 24 years from now. So do your 1991 disks/floppies run on your PC? I have games half that age that just aren't compatible anymore (compatibility mode doesn't help with them). So unless I get a PC running Windows 98, I'm SOL... So, there's that.

As for console games, I can't tell you how many games of mine have been scratched, broken, or just flat-out lost (or destroyed by the 360 when it tipped over). With Digital, if I can't download a game online, I know I'll have it stored on a drive elsewhere. Less stress, less hassle, zero disk swapping, organizing, and caring for.

In contrast, I have had tons of hard drives go bad. To my knowledge, I can't simply back up my PS4's hard disk (if you can, please let me know!). If it ever does, then I am out the ability to play P.T.

Se my previous post, as well as this one. Yes, you CAN back up your hard disk.

I am absolutely confident in my ability to play the old Lucasarts adventure games I have on CD in the future. I am not so confident about all the few XBLA games I have bought over the years.

That's PC, though. Aren't you the one saying you can't compare the two?

Digital distribution is better in zero ways than physical, except for maybe not having to wait for a disc to come in the mail.

Not only do you prove yourself wrong in the same sentence, you've been proven wrong repeatedly in this very thread (heck, in this very post).

My original point stands:

Cody Was Wrong. Checkmate.

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So do your 1991 disks/floppies run on your PC? I have games half that age that just aren't compatible anymore (compatibility mode doesn't help with them). So unless I get a PC running Windows 98, I'm SOL... So, there's that.

Yes they do, thanks to things like DOSBox, ScummVM, etc. I also have a G4 tower that runs OS 9. Marathon works beautifully. Just keep old hardware around like you keep old consoles.

That's PC, though. Aren't you the one saying you can't compare the two?

I'm pretty confident my PS1 games will be playable years from now. Either on my PS2, or via emulator.

Digital distribution is better in zero ways than physical, except for maybe not having to wait for a disc to come in the mail.

Not only do you prove yourself wrong in the same sentence, you've been proven wrong repeatedly in this very thread (heck, in this very post).

Written immediately after stating:

You can't back up a CD (well, not legally)

And I suppose there's absolutely nothing dubious about your "lending" of games to your friend you mentioned earlier...?

3/10 Troll harder next time :)

Dude, it took me 15 seconds to find a copy.

Someone, ffs, find a way to get that to me. (See, another massively positive point in digital distribution: I'm not limited by physical shipping rates/laws.)

As someone who spent a good portion of time living in a different hemisphere, I can tell you with a good amount of authority that this statement is plainly false. Digital region-locking caused me endless headaches.

Digital distribution is better in zero ways than physical, except for maybe not having to wait for a disc to come in the mail.

Not only do you prove yourself wrong in the same sentence, you've been proven wrong repeatedly in this very thread (heck, in this very post).

Written immediately after stating:

You can't back up a CD (well, not legally)

And I suppose there's absolutely nothing dubious about your "lending" of games to your friend you mentioned earlier...?

3/10 Troll harder next time :)

I see nothing wrong with lending my personal license of a game to someone I trust. Nothing dubious. It's the same as handing someone a disk. Obviously Sony sees nothing wrong with it either, since they used to let you share the license with five other people on PS3, and you can do it an unlimited number of times with one other on PS4. They very easily could remove the feature (they reduced it to two on PS3 instead of locking you in, or doing the Microsoft thing of only letting you assign a license to the original console).

0/10 Research more next time. :)

Digital distribution is better in zero ways than physical, except for maybe not having to wait for a disc to come in the mail.

Not only do you prove yourself wrong in the same sentence, you've been proven wrong repeatedly in this very thread (heck, in this very post).

Written immediately after stating:

You can't back up a CD (well, not legally)

And I suppose there's absolutely nothing dubious about your "lending" of games to your friend you mentioned earlier...?

3/10 Troll harder next time :)

I see nothing wrong with lending my personal license of a game to someone I trust. Nothing dubious. It's the same as handing someone a disk. Obviously Sony sees nothing wrong with it either, since they used to let you share the license with five other people on PS3, and you can do it an unlimited number of times with one other on PS4. They very easily could remove the feature (they reduced it to two on PS3 instead of locking you in, or doing the Microsoft thing of only letting you assign a license to the original console).

0/10 Research more next time. :)

And they reduced it to two because...?

As someone who spent a good portion of time living in a different hemisphere, I can tell you with a good amount of authority that this statement is plainly false.

I've lived my entire life on the same hemisphere you're talking about, it seems. :)

Digital region-locking caused me endless headaches.

When it is not plainly stated that the game is region-locked, sure, but otherwise, it's as much of a problem as shipping physical media (which can also be region-locked).

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I cited it because your access to it can be beyond your control. If you buy a game disc, or a cartridge, the longevity is related to the care you put into preserving it. If it's scratched or damaged, that's your fault. I have never had a game disc go bad. Ever. And I have some that are as old as 1991. I would be surprised if you had access to your digitally purchased media 24 years from now.

In contrast, I have had tons of hard drives go bad. To my knowledge, I can't simply back up my PS4's hard disk (if you can, please let me know!). If it ever does, then I am out the ability to play P.T.

Off the top of my head, here are game disks I've bought since 2001 that have gotten annihilated:

• Halo
  
• Halo
  
• Halo PC
  
• Halo 2
  
• Halo Recon
  
• Skyrim
  
• Fallout 3
  
• Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3

Here is a list of hard drives I have bought that have gone bad since forever.

• A Toshiba 20 GB I got in 1999 that broke in 2008.

I know drives fail, I do. But disks just as inexplicably and just as often fail. For example, my Skyrim disk literally never once left the Xbox while I was playing it. Took it out to assess issues, weird circular scratches. My Xbox did that one in particular only once ever, and it was to Skyrim.

I own two copies of Destiny on disk, one on the 360 and one on the Bone (that I got on sale I think in December or January for $30 too) because I didn't know about the digital stuff at the point of my preorder, and I live in constant, albeit incredibly minor, fear that one will break, and I'll be limited to only one of those systems.

Anyway, I refuse to believe your disks have never broken.

Probably pressure from publishers.

Dude, it took me 15 seconds to find a copy.

Someone, ffs, find a way to get that to me. (See, another massively positive point in digital distribution: I'm not limited by physical shipping rates/laws.)

As someone who spent a good portion of time living in a different hemisphere, I can tell you with a good amount of authority that this statement is plainly false. Digital region-locking caused me endless headaches.

In the past 5 years, I've lived in 3 different regions, and the biggest issues I've had were with physical disks. With digital, I've been able to move around and transfer licenses and do whatever. I have a copy of Mirror's Edge that I'll probably never play because by the time I played it, the US 360 I bought it for, was gone. If I bought it digitally, I would have been able to play it.

Anyway, I refuse to believe your disks have never broken.

It's absolutely true. None of my systems have ever scratched discs, and I've always been super careful.

Anyway, I refuse to believe your disks have never broken.

I have never, ever to this day had a broken game disc for any system I've ever owned. Never had a system scratch one of my discs either.

I had memory cards crap out, but never the game discs. I too always took\take super good care of my media.

I've never had problems with discs or hard-drives, but I've gone through a couple ps2's and I get the feeling the 360 isn't far off.

My original 360 died at the end of last year. It really lasted for quite a long time! I was very happy about how long it lasted for being an original 360, but I was sad it didn't last forever like my Atari 2600. However, it gave me a chance to buy a new one w/ a kinect (for christmas) that we've played a TON. Overall, I guess I'd say I'm happy it died. :)

Dude, it took me 15 seconds to find a copy.

Someone, ffs, find a way to get that to me. (See, another massively positive point in digital distribution: I'm not limited by physical shipping rates/laws.)

As someone who spent a good portion of time living in a different hemisphere, I can tell you with a good amount of authority that this statement is plainly false. Digital region-locking caused me endless headaches.

In the past 5 years, I've lived in 3 different regions, and the biggest issues I've had were with physical disks. With digital, I've been able to move around and transfer licenses and do whatever. I have a copy of Mirror's Edge that I'll probably never play because by the time I played it, the US 360 I bought it for, was gone. If I bought it digitally, I would have been able to play it.

You make a lot of assumptions:

http://wccftech.com/microsoft-quietly-regionlocks-digital-xbox-games-dlc-error-code0x87de07d1-reported/

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To follow up on my earlier point, I tried to acquire the free digital copy of Halo 3 that was currently available on games-with-gold while I was working in New Zealand.

Microsoft was having none of that.

I literally had to contact my sister, who was living here in Canada, and have her sign-in as me on the website and make the transaction for me. Aside from creating a brand new account (which was what Microsoft's Customer Service recommended), that was my only solution.

So don't try to sell me on this "Digital-games-don't-have-region-locking" BS.

The credit I have would pay for most of one expansion. Both would be, what, $40, $45?

The credit I have would pay for most of one expansion. Both would be, what, $40, $45?

The expansions are $19.99 each, or $34.99 for the "Expansion Pass" that includes both TDB and HoW

I've had 2, both of which were my fault:

• Fairly early on in the 360's lifespan, the fact that the controller indicator LEDs on the front of the console would change to fit the orientation seemed very cool. I tipped mine over to show someone how they'd change, completely forgetting that Lego Star Wars was in the drive tray. Apparently, it was still spinning at the time, and made a horrendous noise that I can't really describe adequately. The disc was dead.
  
  
• Back in the OXBox days, I intentionally broke Need for Speed: Underground. It wasn't a rage situation, I just realized one day that it was such a BS game that I would have more fun smashing it and never having to see it again than actually playing it. So I snapped it in two over the trash can. :)

So don't try to sell me on this "Digital-games-don't-have-region-locking" BS.

Trust me when I say I feel your woes. I was graciously gifted a DL code for Reach some years ago and it never informed me it was region-locked. It simply failed to download before 1%. That's not the point I'm trying to make. What I am trying to say is that region-locking is not an exclusivity to digital games, so it's not really a downside for them.

My favorite part is how easy distribution is. Back in the days, I had a hard time finding OXbox games for sale. There were times I deeply regretted choosing it over a PS2. Now I can buy most games with little trouble. Region-locked? Sure, most of them are, but now I don't depend on stores deciding whether the games will be worth importing or not.

So don't try to sell me on this "Digital-games-don't-have-region-locking" BS.

Trust me when I say I feel your woes. I was graciously gifted a DL code for Reach some years ago and it never informed me it was region-locked. It simply failed to download before 1%. That's not the point I'm trying to make. What I am trying to say is that region-locking is not an exclusivity to digital games, so it's not really a downside for them.

With regards to region-locking, digital or otherwise:

"The PS4 is region free for games, but for legal reasons DLC is locked by region. If you buy a game from the US, for example, you will have to purchase all the DLC from the North American PSN Store. If you buy your games locally, then there shouldn't be a problem. Please note that the console is region locked for DVDs and Blu-ray movies.

Also, PAL and NTSC are obsolete analogue television broadcast standards and completely irrelevant to the PS4. The PS4 only has a digital output and has shed the old analogue output of previous consoles. The only problem you might have is with the power cable – you might need an adaptor plug."

I actually have a European account on top of my regular account, but as most PS+ games have been identical, I haven't used it in nearly a year. But region-locking seems to be dying...

My favorite part is how easy distribution is. Back in the days, I had a hard time finding OXbox games for sale. There were times I deeply regretted choosing it over a PS2. Now I can buy most games with little trouble. Region-locked? Sure, most of them are, but now I don't depend on stores deciding whether the games will be worth importing or not.

The last OXbox game that we ordered online was Morrowind, but we got a PAL version. D'oh!

The credit I have would pay for most of one expansion. Both would be, what, $40, $45?

The expansions are $19.99 each, or $34.99 for the "Expansion Pass" that includes both TDB and HoW

hmm, and buying them for the 360 lets you have them on the xbone too? I may go with that then, thanks for the info

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I have never, ever to this day had a broken game disc for any system I've ever owned. Never had a system scratch one of my discs either.

I had memory cards crap out, but never the game discs. I too always took\take super good care of my media.

After a couple of decades of CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays, and game disks, I've only ever had one get noticeably scratched. I loaned a DC Talk CD to a friend of mine in high school and it was returned a month later completely unplayable.

It's either in the player or it's in the case! How freaking hard is that?!?!

I might still be a little bitter.

-Disciple

Dude, it took me 15 seconds to find a copy.

Someone, ffs, find a way to get that to me. (See, another massively positive point in digital distribution: I'm not limited by physical shipping rates/laws.)

As someone who spent a good portion of time living in a different hemisphere, I can tell you with a good amount of authority that this statement is plainly false. Digital region-locking caused me endless headaches.

In the past 5 years, I've lived in 3 different regions, and the biggest issues I've had were with physical disks. With digital, I've been able to move around and transfer licenses and do whatever. I have a copy of Mirror's Edge that I'll probably never play because by the time I played it, the US 360 I bought it for, was gone. If I bought it digitally, I would have been able to play it.

You make a lot of assumptions:

http://wccftech.com/microsoft-quietly-regionlocks-digital-xbox-games-dlc-error-code0x87de07d1-reported/

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To follow up on my earlier point, I tried to acquire the free digital copy of Halo 3 that was currently available on games-with-gold while I was working in New Zealand.

Microsoft was having none of that.

I literally had to contact my sister, who was living here in Canada, and have her sign-in as me on the website and make the transaction for me. Aside from creating a brand new account (which was what Microsoft's Customer Service recommended), that was my only solution.

So don't try to sell me on this "Digital-games-don't-have-region-locking" BS.

Not sure how spending almost 3 years in Melbourne and 2 years in London and moving to a mostly digital 360 library as I bought an aussie 360 and then UK 360 involves assumptions. I also maintained credit cards/bank accounts in the US, AUS, and UK throughout this process and made sure to maintain the region of my console appropriately as I fired up each new one.

Neither system is perfect, but with a digital system you were able to have someone sort it out for you. I could not call ANYONE, ANYWHERE and have them magically turn my Mirror's Edge disc into the right region.

I have never, ever to this day had a broken game disc for any system I've ever owned. Never had a system scratch one of my discs either.

I had memory cards crap out, but never the game discs. I too always took\take super good care of my media.

After a couple of decades of CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays, and game disks, I've only ever had one get noticeably scratched. I loaned a DC Talk CD to a friend of mine in high school and it was returned a month later completely unplayable.

Many consoles, players, and drives have been known to scratch disks through no fault of the owner, and sometimes discs aren't manufactured to very good standards and will sort of fall apart after a while. With digital you just have to make a backup copy-- if that's allowed in your country and under your terms of service. The fact it's not always allowed is big thing that puts me off digital-- I don't think they'd ever know, and if they did I don't think they'd come after me, but the idea that I'm breaking some rule, and more so the fact the rule exists in the first place, upset me.

Dude, it took me 15 seconds to find a copy.

Someone, ffs, find a way to get that to me. (See, another massively positive point in digital distribution: I'm not limited by physical shipping rates/laws.)

As someone who spent a good portion of time living in a different hemisphere, I can tell you with a good amount of authority that this statement is plainly false. Digital region-locking caused me endless headaches.

In the past 5 years, I've lived in 3 different regions, and the biggest issues I've had were with physical disks. With digital, I've been able to move around and transfer licenses and do whatever. I have a copy of Mirror's Edge that I'll probably never play because by the time I played it, the US 360 I bought it for, was gone. If I bought it digitally, I would have been able to play it.

You make a lot of assumptions:

http://wccftech.com/microsoft-quietly-regionlocks-digital-xbox-games-dlc-error-code0x87de07d1-reported/

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To follow up on my earlier point, I tried to acquire the free digital copy of Halo 3 that was currently available on games-with-gold while I was working in New Zealand.

Microsoft was having none of that.

I literally had to contact my sister, who was living here in Canada, and have her sign-in as me on the website and make the transaction for me. Aside from creating a brand new account (which was what Microsoft's Customer Service recommended), that was my only solution.

So don't try to sell me on this "Digital-games-don't-have-region-locking" BS.

Not sure how spending almost 3 years in Melbourne and 2 years in London and moving to a mostly digital 360 library as I bought an aussie 360 and then UK 360 involves assumptions. I also maintained credit cards/bank accounts in the US, AUS, and UK throughout this process and made sure to maintain the region of my console appropriately as I fired up each new one.

Neither system is perfect, but with a digital system you were able to have someone sort it out for you. I could not call ANYONE, ANYWHERE and have them magically turn my Mirror's Edge disc into the right region.

You keep bringing up this Mirror's edge example, but I never had a single issue related to region locked physical media purchased in NZ while using my Canadian console and account. I was able to keep buying and playing games as though nothing had changed. When my console DID break, I bought a replacement in NZ, and it worked with all my old stuff. Completely different story when it came to digital games. I ended up having to make a new account just so I could purchase DLC for Reach. And I couldn't maintain a bunch of different credit accounts because I didn't have one to begin with.

Your argument that maintaining multiple accounts for different regions is self-defeating: The fact that we have to do that is why digital media is inferior!

Also, I'd gladly pay the cost of shipping/handling if it was between that and compromising my personal information. I wouldn't have done it if it had been anyone other than a family member that I trusted.

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The Digital Guardian Edition is gone from the Games with Gold listing on the Xbone and the MS site listing for Destiny is back up to regular price, just FYI.