Negotiated meanings (Off-Topic)
Sorry I ducked out of the conversation yesterday. I didn't mean to post and run, but Iconic was right in his interpretation of my statement that you just can't claim to be more precise in this case.
Who is doing the negotiating of the meanings of words? Probably the people that write them and the people that enjoy reading or listening to them. Those who entertain are in the forefront. Those that inform, not so much.
The up side to this is that despite the hyperbole, young people are in general smarter and better informed than ever. At some point the constant exaggeration is going to lose it's appeal and people will value straight talk and not respond to ridiculousness.
The thing is, language is much more like an evolving species than a frozen system of static rules. Yeah, the rules help give form, and words can't mean anything we want them to, but they do change and in order to communicate well, we have to be able to understand how they are used in other people's discourse. With regard to the News, hyperbole certainly works for a while, but then people become inoculated and learn not to trust certain types of language use. The source of words matters in our interpretation. It doesn't necessarily mean that the word's meaning is lost, but it does mean that when that word comes from a particular source it may mean something different.
I also don't think that valuing 'straight talk' implies a return to certain forms and meanings. Some words will be forever transformed by media use. New words or old words with new meanings can be employed in straight talk. It has much more to do with the source or genre of information than the actual words themselves.
Complete thread:
- In playable location news today, Martian sunsets are blue. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-11, 20:14
- In playable location news today, Martian sunsets are blue. -
dogcow,
2015-05-11, 20:19
- In playable location news today, Martian sunsets are blue. -
General Vagueness,
2015-05-11, 20:22
- In playable location news today, Martian sunsets are blue. -
dogcow,
2015-05-11, 20:25
- In playable location news today, Martian sunsets are blue. - General Vagueness, 2015-05-12, 03:20
- In playable location news today, Martian sunsets are blue. -
dogcow,
2015-05-11, 20:25
- Wikipedia offers few answers. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-11, 20:25
- 1/100 is two orders of magnitude weaker. -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-11, 21:22
- Several =\= 2 or more? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-11, 21:27
- Generally, where I am -
RaichuKFM,
2015-05-11, 21:29
- And it is general - Earendil, 2015-05-11, 21:43
- Several =\= 2 or more? -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-11, 21:44
- I love language -
Earendil,
2015-05-11, 21:53
- I love language -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-11, 22:14
- Another reason I like it - Earendil, 2015-05-11, 22:32
- All my life, I thought "a couple" == "a few" - ZackDark, 2015-05-11, 23:23
- I love language -
Robot Chickens,
2015-05-11, 23:24
- I love language -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-12, 02:05
- I love language -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-12, 02:26
- I love/hate language -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-12, 02:51
- I love/hate language -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-12, 03:07
- I agree, but the details are off. - Funkmon, 2015-05-12, 03:27
- I love/hate language -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-12, 03:07
- I love/hate language -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-12, 02:51
- I love language - General Vagueness, 2015-05-12, 03:48
- I love language -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-12, 02:26
- Negotiated meanings -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-12, 02:35
- Negotiated meanings - Robot Chickens, 2015-05-12, 13:08
- I love language -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-12, 02:05
- I love language -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-11, 22:14
- I love language -
Earendil,
2015-05-11, 21:53
- Generally, where I am -
RaichuKFM,
2015-05-11, 21:29
- Several =\= 2 or more? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-11, 21:27
- Wikipedia offers few answers. -
ZackDark,
2015-05-11, 23:25
- You live over a slipspace portal generator? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-12, 00:53
- maybe he was born on the island. -
Vortech,
2015-05-12, 23:57
- Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, can't let the Others find me - ZackDark, 2015-05-13, 00:09
- maybe he was born on the island. -
Vortech,
2015-05-12, 23:57
- You live over a slipspace portal generator? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-12, 00:53
- 1/100 is two orders of magnitude weaker. -
naturl selexion,
2015-05-11, 21:22
- Answer to why Mercury has a magnetic field and not Mars. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-12, 01:17
- Answer to why Mercury has a magnetic field and not Mars. - Dagoonite, 2015-05-12, 01:35
- But why male models? -
Korny,
2015-05-12, 02:32
- ...are you serious? - iconicbanana, 2015-05-12, 02:35
- In playable location news today, Martian sunsets are blue. -
General Vagueness,
2015-05-11, 20:22
- Because blue>red. -
bluerunner,
2015-05-11, 20:28
- Suck it Blues..... - Monochron, 2015-05-11, 22:36
- In playable location news today, Martian sunsets are blue. -
dogcow,
2015-05-11, 20:19