Old Han Solo (Off-Topic)
He doesn't really, but he never looked like a scoundrel to me in the first place, his words and actions communicated that. Now, his line about being home, that doesn't sound like a scoundrel, that sounds sentimental, but that's one line out of the whole movie.
Besides, I never cared that much for his scoundrel side. I don't want to believe he shot first because I want to believe he's a good guy. There, that should start a shitstorm about an opinion other than yours. (I do mean it, though.)
You obviously don't understand the mechanics of what must happen when a scoundrel runs up against a bigger scoundrel.Don't feel too bad. Lucas agrees with you, but that's one reason why I wrote him off long ago. HE DOESN'T GET IT.
As I recall, he appeared in an interview wearing a "Han shot first" shirt and said around that same time that executives at Fox had made the change that prompted people getting all up in arms. So I think he gets that, at least.
That's not the point for me, though. I don't care about the dynamics beyond the surface elements. It doesn't have to be realistic. Even putting aside the junk science and mystical elements, the story is mostly very arch, and I appreciate it for what it is. I want it to be good guys versus bad guys, like it's clearly trying to be, and a good guy doesn't kill someone if there's another option. Yes, Greedo would've turned him over to Jabba, and he was probably very lucky that when Jabba did get ahold of him he just hung him on the wall like a painting, but anything could have happened, there are a thousand different ways he could've made it play out differently. I could maybe be persuaded that Han changes over the years and becomes more in line with what I'd call a good guy, that would be good character development even, but to say he always was and always will be someone that would kill a person that's not immediately putting his life in danger, and that he could probably dispatch of in other ways? I'm sorry, but that's not my Han.
Complete thread:
- Latest Star Wars Trailer is UP -
TheeChaos,
2015-04-16, 16:17
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:20
- Old Han Solo -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 16:28
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
Grizzlei,
2015-04-16, 16:37
- +1 - ZackDark, 2015-04-16, 16:41
- +2 - Schedonnardus, 2015-04-16, 17:04
- Old Han Solo -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-04-16, 17:43
- Old Han Solo - Grizzlei, 2015-04-16, 17:45
- Meh. We all know what happens when you use stunt doubles... - Ragashingo, 2015-04-16, 17:46
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:12
- I imagine that probably had something to do with this. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 18:21
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:49
- Does anyone else -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:53
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:55
- Does anyone else -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 18:57
- Does anyone else - Chewbaccawakka, 2015-04-16, 18:59
- Does anyone else -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 18:57
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:55
- Does anyone else -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:53
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 20:32
- Old Han Solo - INSANEdrive, 2015-04-16, 21:20
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 22:19
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 23:06
- Don't white wash the man's crimes! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 23:26
- This guy gets it... -
Korny,
2015-04-16, 23:42
- this - Schedonnardus, 2015-04-17, 14:16
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:14
- This guy gets it... -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 17:21
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:29
- This guy gets it... - ZackDark, 2015-04-17, 22:41
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:29
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-17, 17:49
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:43
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 13:50
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 16:27
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 16:46
- Best part about that scene: - iconicbanana, 2015-04-20, 16:49
- You guys had subtitles?! - ZackDark, 2015-04-20, 17:23
- This guy gets it... - Ragashingo, 2015-04-20, 17:24
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:35
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 17:40
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:51
- This guy gets it... - Kermit, 2015-04-20, 19:27
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:51
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 17:40
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 16:46
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 16:27
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 13:50
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:43
- This guy gets it... -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 17:21
- This guy gets it... -
Korny,
2015-04-16, 23:42
- Don't white wash the man's crimes! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 23:26
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 23:06
- he shot first because he had to -
scarab,
2015-04-17, 20:38
- Sounds like a good case of self defense to me. - Quirel, 2015-04-17, 21:16
- he shot first because he had to -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:50
- Bad logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-18, 16:27
- Bad logic. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-19, 19:28
- Bad logic. - ZackDark, 2015-04-19, 19:36
- Bad logic. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-19, 19:28
- Bad logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-18, 16:27
- Old Han Solo -
Grizzlei,
2015-04-16, 16:37
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
CyberKN,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
ZackDark,
2015-04-16, 16:32
- Old Han Solo - kidtsunami, 2015-04-16, 16:37
- Old Han Solo -
ZackDark,
2015-04-16, 16:32
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 16:45
- Old Han Solo - CyberKN, 2015-04-16, 16:50
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:13
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:22
- Man, if he thinks Harrison Ford looks bad... - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 19:07
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 19:21
- Old Han Solo - Speedracer513, 2015-04-16, 19:31
- Old Han Solo -
Quirel,
2015-04-17, 19:56
- Old Han Solo - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 20:06
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:22
- Wookie lifespan is around 400 years. - biggy, 2015-04-16, 16:51
- Old Han Solo -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 16:28
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Morpheus,
2015-04-16, 16:45
- Someone Slit My Throat. - Kermit, 2015-04-16, 16:47
- Confused. Does that mean you hate it or can't bare to wait? - INSANEdrive, 2015-04-16, 17:00
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Morpheus,
2015-04-17, 03:54
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 03:56
- Are the despecialized editions worth tracking down? -
kidtsunami,
2015-04-17, 11:55
- And can you point us in the right direction?... -
Mid7night,
2015-04-17, 12:28
- I have all 3 and will let anyone borrow my digital backups - JDQuackers, 2015-04-17, 14:09
- And can you point us in the right direction?... - Vortech, 2015-04-18, 02:29
- And can you point us in the right direction?... -
Mid7night,
2015-04-17, 12:28
- Are the despecialized editions worth tracking down? -
kidtsunami,
2015-04-17, 11:55
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Kermit,
2015-04-17, 10:42
- Someone Slit My Throat. - Penthesilean, 2015-04-17, 12:12
- Sounds like you hate Star Wars fans - kidtsunami, 2015-04-17, 11:52
- TL;DR - Hates he isn't part of the party.Doesn't understand. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 12:38
- Hey now. Maybe he just saw this first. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 12:42
- Unlikely. 1978. Point noted all the same. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 13:04
- He's begging for death after a trailer announcement. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 13:11
- Unlikely. 1978. Point noted all the same. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 13:04
- Hey now. Maybe he just saw this first. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 12:42
- Someone Slit My Throat. - General Vagueness, 2015-04-17, 16:55
- Someone Slit My Throat. - General Vagueness, 2015-04-19, 19:56
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 03:56
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 16:59
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 17:01
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-04-16, 19:34
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 19:36
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-04-16, 19:34
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-16, 17:06
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 17:10
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - Kermit, 2015-04-16, 17:25
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Schedonnardus,
2015-04-16, 17:30
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:18
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CaneCutter,
2015-04-16, 19:07
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - Korny, 2015-04-17, 02:03
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - JDQuackers, 2015-04-17, 01:12
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CaneCutter,
2015-04-16, 19:07
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:18
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:16
- Which makes me really angry. -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:25
- Which makes me really angry. -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 01:44
- Which makes me really angry. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 01:53
- Which makes me really angry. -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 01:44
- You can get them on DVD. -
Xenos,
2015-04-16, 20:25
- You can get them on DVD. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 21:32
- You can get them on DVD. - Xenos, 2015-04-17, 00:14
- You can get them on DVD. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 21:32
- Which makes me really angry. -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:25
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 17:10
- Why? Get excited - Cody Miller, 2015-04-17, 02:34
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 17:01
- Hyped - RC, 2015-04-16, 17:33
- Star Wars Battlefront Trailer is UP -
JDQuackers,
2015-04-17, 18:21
- No Thanks. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:37
- Sound Logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:39
- I'm not familiar enough with Jurassic Park to get this. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:46
- You nearly were quoting the movie! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:50
- Okay, that's what I suspected. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:54
- Most definitely. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 18:55
- Okay, that's what I suspected. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:54
- You nearly were quoting the movie! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:50
- I'm not familiar enough with Jurassic Park to get this. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:46
- No Thanks. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:11
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:15
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:18
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:26
- Yes. - ZackDark, 2015-04-17, 22:44
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:26
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:18
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:15
- You know - RaichuKFM, 2015-04-18, 11:03
- Sound Logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:39
- Star Wars Battlefront Trailer is UP - Phoenix_9286, 2015-04-17, 18:40
- One glaring problem. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 19:09
- Totally agreed... -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 19:13
- +1 - Grizzlei, 2015-04-17, 22:00
- Totally agreed... -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 19:13
- No space combat = not interested -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-04-18, 11:44
- No space combat = not interested - Vortech, 2015-04-19, 01:53
- No Thanks. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:37
- I filmed a Star Wars Casting Parody - Kahzgul, 2015-04-17, 22:19
- Relevant *IMG* - Speedracer513, 2015-04-18, 10:04
- Hyped. - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-04-18, 12:08
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:20