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Not sure what to do with the relic, and when? Can't figure out why you keep dying in the Templar fight? Lost among the Gorgons? Can't remember which side is Mars and which is Venus? Me neither! Let's get some practice in, together. Experienced raiders are welcome as long as they don't mind the inexperienced people. This is not a "teach me to raid" event because A) I don't have the experience to do that and I don't want to speak for anyone else and B) that just doesn't sound as fun refining approaches more organically. Let's take chances, make mistakes, and get messy, with no pressure.
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Can't remember which side is Mars and which is Venus? Me neither!

Resist the urge to snark... Resist the urge to snark...

Seriously, though, that is the one thing people say in Destiny that really annoys me.

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Seriously, though, that is the one thing people say in Destiny that really annoys me.

I concur. Though I recognize that this convention is employed to facilitate ease of communication, it drives me up a wall when I actually hear it said aloud.

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Can't remember which side is Mars and which is Venus? Me neither!

Resist the urge to snark... Resist the urge to snark...

Seriously, though, that is the one thing people say in Destiny that really annoys me.

Same... You'd think that after seven months, people would be smart enough to realize that they're both Venus, but alas, never underestimate the stupidity of people...

And it sucks that you sound like a douche no matter how nicely you try to correct them... Then again, there are people who complain about "Left" and "Right", so whatevs...

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I, for one, feel a lot lighter when people use jungle/desert.

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I, for one, feel a lot lighter when people use jungle/desert.

I like to use precursor and descendant. Y'know...just to be a dick.

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Gah just open them both up. Then there is no arguing, only a 100% chance of being right.

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I like to use precursor and descendant. Y'know...just to be a dick.

I like to use hydrophilic and hydrophobic.

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I like to use precursor and descendant. Y'know...just to be a dick.

I like to use hydrophilic and hydrophobic.

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I, for one, feel a lot lighter when people use jungle/desert.

I like to use precursor and descendant. Y'know...just to be a dick.

Fun fact. The Precursors and Descendants outside of the gates are labeled incorrectly (the mossy, old-looking ones are labeled Descendants, and the shiny new ones are labeled Precursors), but the ones inside aren't. This is also true for the Undying Mind strike, though you also fight a "new" type of enemy (can't recall the name), so they should have noticed the mistake... if it is indeed a mistake, because their Grimoire cards also show them inverted...

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The Precursors look shiny and new because, in their time, they have just been built. They are, truly, a few of the first Vex ever. The Descendants are mossy and old because, in their time, it has been quite a while since a Vex was last built.

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The Precursors look shiny and new because, in their time, they have just been built. They are, truly, a few of the first Vex ever. The Descendants are mossy and old because, in their time, it has been quite a while since a Vex was last built.

Then why are the designs all different? Doesn't that indicate they are literally different generations?

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Oh, I'm not saying they were all built at the same time. They are different designs because the Vex changed their models with time.

First batch was all shiny and gallant, because they had resources and a poetic sense of sorts. Last batch was streamlined to be functional and had no real shine because they were already all combat-focused.

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The Precursors look shiny and new because, in their time, they have just been built. They are, truly, a few of the first Vex ever. The Descendants are mossy and old because, in their time, it has been quite a while since a Vex was last built.

The "Precursors" look slick, and with fancy light-weight designs. The "Descendants" look blocky, and have huge bulky heads that remind me of old car parts. You'd think that being in the present, the Precursors would of course look worn down and faded with time, while the Descendants are from the future, and so have a slicker design... But who knows?

Again, inside the Gates, the labeling is flipped, so poop.

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The Grimoire on Bnet, as I said, shows this...

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Then again, according to the "Precursor" card:

"It would be easy to assume these Vex are the ancestors of those we face today - but with the Vex it is never so simple."

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Th past is the dusty, brown one.

The Future is the lush jungle, which presumably formed after Traveller's terraformation of venus.

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Th past is the dusty, brown one.

The Future is the lush jungle, which presumably formed after Traveller's terraformation of venus.

Now see, that's what I used to think, but then I was corrected. So the precursors are on the brown one and the descendants are on the green one? I thought it was the reverse.

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"Left" and "Right" it is!

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"Left" and "Right" it is!

I finally started using left and right. In a pinch I say brown or green.

I don't know who's right anymore regarding past and future. Given the images I've seen in this thread, maybe Bungie is confused, too.

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I don't know who's right anymore regarding past and future. Given the images I've seen in this thread, maybe Bungie is confused, too.

Heh, this conversation is making me think of that cyclic universe discussion. One cycle's future is another cycle's past, who knows when anyone is...

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"Left" and "Right" it is!

Which brings it back around to the original problem-- I can never remember which area goes with which side! Half the time I'm half blind when I stumble out of the gate, and every time I follow the relic-holder to the center or wherever they're going to get cleansed and protected by the relic.
As for the designs, I think the white and gold Vex are the newer design because they're all shiny. It's simple reasoning but the best designs only need simple reasoning. Knowing Bungie though, I could almost think they switched them around (multiple times) on purpose to create an out-of-game confusion that reinforces how transcendent and inscrutable the Vex are.

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As for the designs, I think the white and gold Vex are the newer design because they're all shiny. It's simple reasoning but the best designs only need simple reasoning. Knowing Bungie though, I could almost think they switched them around (multiple times) on purpose to create an out-of-game confusion that reinforces how transcendent and inscrutable the Vex are.

The 'older' ones remind me of bronze-age ... stuff, maybe even steampunk, where as the silver/white and gold gives me a more sci-fi feel.

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Th past is the dusty, brown one.

The Future is the lush jungle, which presumably formed after Traveller's terraformation of venus.

Not necessarily. Who's to say it wasn't lush and green billions of years in the past? (Didn't Ghost say something to that effect about the Vault entrance?)

Seems more likely for a moist jungle to become a desert than for a desert to become a moist Jungle in a realm presumably outside of the Traveler's reach...

The portals all lead to the very same room at different points in time. Does anything change within to imply the passage of time? One stone out of place could be enough to tell...

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Seems more likely for a moist jungle to become a desert than for a desert to become a moist Jungle in a realm presumably outside of the Traveler's reach...

Nah, either can happen and has happened on earth.

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Seems more likely for a moist jungle to become a desert than for a desert to become a moist Jungle in a realm presumably outside of the Traveler's reach...

Nah, either can happen and has happened on earth.

Any examples of reverse desertification? And Tundras don't count, I'm talking sand...

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Sand sand I can't recall off the top of my head, but if dry earth counts, the Amazon Forest itself used to be a dry savanna before what it currently is, for instance.

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Sand sand I can't recall off the top of my head, but if dry earth counts, the Amazon Forest itself used to be a dry savanna before what it currently is, for instance.

Doesn't count. The surface (or rather, the elevated platform) of the Vault is sand sand, and on top of that, it's isolated, and far from any fertile land or moisture (the bubbling springs and streams aside.heck, the entire present-day descent into the Vault has almost no vegetation whatsoever.

Like I said, a Tundra (or on the other end of the climate spectrum, a Savanna) doesn't count, since it's not arid soil. It can become fertile if vegetation creeps in from an outside source. Either way, between the lack of light sources and giant pits, any vegetation somehow reaching the Gatekeeper area is extremely unlikely and on top of that, replacing the sandy, arid platform with enough moisture and soil to grow into a jungle environment? Impossible, I say...

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Do paleodeserts count? They're basically sand dunes that have been stabilized by vegetation. A portion of Nebraska (my sympathies to anybody who lives there) is composed of these, known as "sandhills." After all, one would be hard-pressed to think of this as a sand dune, but...

I'll avoid the technicalities of Earth (Terra, Bob, whatever you want to call it) after its impact with a Mars-sized body, because that's just splitting hairs.

Edit: I've tried editing it twice now, and the previews won't let it work. Wikipedia and the forums hate me.

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Do paleodeserts count? They're basically sand dunes that have been stabilized by vegetation. A portion of Nebraska (my sympathies to anybody who lives there) is composed of these, known as "sandhills." After all, one would be hard-pressed to think of this as a sand dune, but...

I'll avoid the technicalities of Earth (Terra, Bob, whatever you want to call it) after its impact with a Mars-sized body, because that's just splitting hairs.

Edit: I've tried editing it twice now, and the previews won't let it work. Wikipedia and the forums hate me.

Fix'd. the issue was with the link itself, not your HL. Or we could just have the image:

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Found the land of the Windows desktop... Anyway, I suppose it can count, yes, assuming that region was purely arid sand, and not mixed with soils of any sort. But again, the area within the Vault is completely isolated by extreme degrees. If only we could get that back door open during a trip to the past/future, maybe we'd get a better idea of how vegetation could have somehow found its way into the Vault...

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For the record, I agree with you, but I'm playing Devil's Advocate real quick.

Maybe the Vex themselves brought it? A culture that grows its bismuth-like computers and were (are?) the caretakers of the Black Garden, they seem to have a high interest in horticulture. (I also find it interesting that Mercury and Venus were both made into garden worlds before the conversion process began. If Mars was a garden world before the Darkness came, it would fully qualify in that trend, too.)

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Maybe the Vex themselves brought it?

I was going to say that, too. What evidence do we have that the Vex are NOT gardeners? Everyone needs a hobby.

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Th past is the dusty, brown one.

The Future is the lush jungle, which presumably formed after Traveller's terraformation of venus.

That's backwards. The brown one is the future, hence the 'Descendant' Vex. The green one is the past, hence the 'Precursor' Vex.

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probably should've mentioned also, this is on the 360

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