At a macro level, Destiny is designed specifically to force you to play in the manner prescribed by Bungie, not in the manner you actually want to play it. That is its crucial failing. It cannot be "fixed". It cannot be patched out or obfuscated by special "events" like Queen's Wrath or Iron Banner. It is intrinsic to the game's design philosophy.

Therefore, I can only conclude that the game is broken beyond repair.

Indeed. Yesterday, I spent half an hour trying to get my target-acquiring rocket launcher to miss and do a massive loop-the-loop through the sky to come back around and hit my target. I could not get it to happen once. I did not have any fun and feel robbed of my time.

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While I agree, I play because I feel the need to, not because I want to. However, is this different than any other of your posts? Like I said I agree with most of what you and Cody have said (although I can't put it down), but I guess I don't see the point of another thread. This is somewhat the end game of your threads though (see what I did there) since as you stated, this can't be fixed.

I do also agree with steve and others, why keep playing if you are just going to complain. I was complaining at first, but I kept playing, so i stopped complaining (granted that means we have more time invested to complain about it, it's not an easy push pull here)

Seriously thought, you've given it a good run and clearly played a lot of the game. I'm sad you're giving up already (the games been out for less than 2 months). I'm guessing in a year Destiny will have changed significantly (despite what you believe). Keep your ear to the ground and if you still have your copy in a year swing back by and see if it's more your style.

Bungie fixed something and you didn't like it. We get it. We got it the first few times.

Bye.

The designers aren't willing to implement fan feedback. Oh, they listen. They do a lot of that. But they don't implement anything we suggest.

Darn devs openly acknowledging that they do take our feedback into consideration when overhauling aspects of the game. Why can't this be like the good old days when we bought a game and didn't have to worry about "patches" and "updates"? When the game was completely perfect at launch?

RNG can't be "fixed". Randomness is artificial difficulty. You'd have to remove it entirely to fix it, and that's not going to happen, so it can never be "fixed".

Seems to be working just fine to me. Clearly not broken.

Bounties affect how players approach the game. If a player wants to earn a bounty for completing a strike without dying, they simply stand still for the duration of the strike and wait for the rest of their team to put all the work in. This cannot be "fixed" either because it comes down to simple human psychology.

"Destiny is designed specifically to force you to play in the manner prescribed by Bungie... except players don't play that way. So yeah, maybe I'm contradicting myself, but I need more attention! I'm 28 years old!"

The entire game revolves around repetitiveness. You are railroaded into playing content you've already played over and over and over again, not because it's inherently fun and you feel like re-playing it, but because it is the only way to achieve tangible character progression.

It's almost like an RPG with MMO elements... Dang! Why can't it be like in Call of Duty, where you only have to rely on repetitiveness and replaying content over and over to unlock guns and skins? Wait...

At a macro level, Destiny is designed specifically to force you to play in the manner prescribed by Bungie, not in the manner you actually want to play it. That is its crucial failing. It cannot be "fixed". It cannot be patched out or obfuscated by special "events" like Queen's Wrath or Iron Banner. It is intrinsic to the game's design philosophy.

Therefore, I can only conclude that the game is broken beyond repair.

The designers aren't willing to implement fan feedback. Oh, they listen. They do a lot of that. But they don't implement anything we suggest.

Well of course they don't implement things as we suggest them, because we're not game developers. No developer implements things exactly as the players suggest. They DO listen and have fixed several things however. Auto rifles? Much more balanced. Mythoclast too weak? Working on the fix. Iron Banner is broken? Working on a fix (and a good one from what they've shown). I don't really understand the idea that the developer should do more than LISTEN and take what they hear into advisement. We think "geez, just do this little tweak, what's the big deal?" Well, we don't have the code of the game, or understand the full mechanics, so we DON'T KNOW how big of a deal it is.

Yawn.

It's not broken, it's just not your thing. It's not a won and done 8 hour Halo game with feature rich MP on the side. They made 4.5 of those, and wanted to try something else. I think they have been successful as I and a lot of people I know enjoy it almost every day since release. Nobody puts Bungie in a box, man!

Not saying it's perfect though. It's not. It's not for everyone by design. Some people don't like interactive novels, flight sims or 2d platformers. That's all good. Just because it uses a Halo style sandbox dosn't mean it's the same experience. Though I feel that it mostly is in the moment to moment areas that count.

It's definitely not broken or irrevocably beyond redemption because it does what it sets out to do very well for the most part. How anyone can say otherwise confuses me, it's like they expected Jesus or the FPS WoW or something and are judging it by that, not by it's contemporaries of which none do anything like it at anything like the quality, stability or variety Destiny displays, especially if you compare them at release.

I can see why some people cannot stand it. I suspect some of the Bungie/Activision pre-release hype may have mislead people and is unforgivable given the lack of info/retractions/clarification regarding suggested content, but having not followed it closely and being aware that lots of great games get gutted and re-factored from pipe dreams into something shippable mid development I was happy to plunk my pre-order down based on the Alpha and have not been affected by this wave of disappointment.

As for "Having to repeat" There is progression for as long as you choose to play. Stop whyen you want. You don't want to repeat anything. There is some small improvements in content for those who continue. Nobody is making you do anything. You could have traded the game in a week after release when you realised what it was. Unless you went digital like me, in which case you have made your bed!

If you want to repeat stuff to advance more, that's cool to. Works for Warframe, Spelunky and Payday 2, some of the best games I've ever played. And it works even better for Destiny (I do miss some of the Payday 2 random variables/level elements though).

You seem like a reasonable guy Car, but you also seem like a troll. Someone trying to get a rise out of people, or just vent... are you still angry? Almost 2 months later? Are you Still playing almost 2 months later? Your comments since release have indicated you find the title irredeemable so I am curious about the level of passion you continue to display.

EDIT: Alright, alright, I don't usually do this but I am retracting what I wrote here... It was incendiary, and half of you probably would have ignored the entire OP and pounced on these two brief sentences if I didn't.

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• Wrong number of people teleported.
  
• Killed by architects upon teleport.
  
• [Hard] Detained when teleported.
  
• [Hard] Fall through detain. Seriously... it is supposed to keep you from moving. Why should you be able to fall through it?
  
• [Hard] Detain is the same size as titan shield. If you bubble, then get detained, you can't shoot detain from the inside or outside.
  
• Minotaur heals to full.
  
• Succumb to oracles when they all died.
  
• Vengeance does not pop on the last oracle.
  
• Gate doesn't teleport.
  
• Splash damage goes through cleanse shield.
  
• Projectiles go through cleanse shield if the relic bearer is nudged.
  
• Atheon walks out of LoS and stays there, wasting a whole phase.
  
• Atheon's critbox is ambiguous.

Taken from Reddit.

Why I'm leaving.

Kindly, listen to yourself.

The problems extend well past Destiny, and really originate from the genre itself: MMORPG. Thankfully Destiny has strong FPS elements to allow for a bunch of fun, but you are right in that it can't be fixed unless Bungie abandons a broken terrible genre. To their credit, this is the only MMO I have ever enjoyed.

Destiny would have been better served as a proper FPS, or as an RPG (perhaps RPG with FPS elements like Deus Ex).

Therefore, I can only conclude that the game is broken beyond repair.

The purpose of science is to serve mankind. You seem to regard science as some kind of dodge... or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist, car15

Your criteria for "broken" don't make sense to me. If you want a game designed to force you to play more of the same thing and pay money for it you obviously need to look at World of Tanks.
Now there was a broken game, and I speak from experience as I had unlocked most of the Russian, German and US trees before I quit.

The game had a few maps, and three game types. Each player had a tank, and could upgrade and equip parts of it. Each upgrade needed 4-5 hours of grinding in game to earn, plus in game currency to buy. After about mid level the upgrades cost more then what you earned unlocking them, forcing longer play time or using real money to buy in game currency. All tanks had real money purchasable shells, that were a consumable, that gave them the firepower 3-4 levels above where they topped out. These shells were basically mandatory in any clan match. Upon death with end game tanks you needed to spend massive amounts of in game currency to repair them in order to use them again.

After about a year, they changed the clan matches so if your tank was destroyed you could not use it till the next day. Often a single clan match would cause the loss of 50% of the tanks on your team in a win, and 100% in a loss. So for multiple matches you needed multiple end tier tanks, each of which required several months of solid grinding or 100$ USD to unlock.

Now with all the above, the Devs constantly fiddled with the internal balance,and some tanks were hung out to dry while others were shifted, removed, repurposed or replaced. Players were sometimes compensated, and other times not. These changes would make a tank go from OP to worthless in a single patch.

In contrast Destiny lets me level a faction to maximum in about three weeks of causal play.

All Destiny needs is a better story in game and some non raid 6 player heavy vehicle game types.