
"It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. (Destiny)
For one simple reason.
They are creating a product that people are paying for. As a consumer, you have the right to expect this product to be a certain thing. Unfortunately, the way game sales work now is that companies treat it as a 'license' to the game, and that you don't have the 'right' to play it if they don't want you do.
That's simply not right. On an ethical level.
There's also a second simple reason.
It's in the field. It's ours. Having the idea be 'It's their game' is what allowed George Lucas to go back and destroy the Original Trilogy.
You're right, a bad creator can destroy a work. And you're right that by putting a work out there some intangible quality of ownership does flow from the creator to the viewer / reader / player.
But not all of it. Perhaps not even most of it.
The best, easiest example of this is the way the money you or I paid does not entitle us to make decisions about Destiny's future. We didn't buy our way onto Bungie's staff or into a leadership position. So while it is no longer fully Bungie's game it is certainly not fully ours either.
In truth it is, to one extent or another, shared.
I think we've purchased the right to play the game (of course) and also the right to critique it. I think a good creator has the responsibility to recognize that they have given up some small amount of control to their fans, to listen to feedback, to weight it, and respond to it, but in a way that fits with their vision. Yes, like with George Lucas, maybe their vision is bad, or not what we hope it would be. Me, I wish there had been a much fuller story in Destiny than Bungie delivered. You dislike some of the recent and proposed changes. Ultimately though, it's still Bungie's decisions that will see where Destiny goes next. In that way it is still their game.
Likewise, if George Lucas puts his foot down on Han Solo not shooting first we can say we refuse to accept it, or speak out to try and convince him to change his mind, but in the end Han is George's character and not ours. It's fine to not like where a creator goes next, but paying some small sum of money does not give you authority over their work.
If you want to be the one making such decisions you are free to create a game or movie or story of your own that fits all your ideals. Then you can deal with fans calling you immature for making the changes you think are necessary. :)
Complete thread:
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 00:08
- And then 343 has an achievement for BXR Button glitch. -
c0ld vengeance,
2014-10-17, 00:53
- I just don't know who to trust anymore.
- Funkmon, 2014-10-17, 01:28
- Bungie and 343 now competing to recover from disappointment.
- Riceamike, 2014-10-17, 01:51
- Bungie and 343 now competing to recover from disappointment.
- And then 343 has an achievement for BXR Button glitch. -
Numinar,
2014-10-17, 04:14
- And then 343 has an achievement for BXR Button glitch. - Revenant1988, 2014-10-17, 06:31
- Umm, I'm pretty sure that's not true... -
Thorn Harvestar,
2014-10-17, 07:02
- Well, today I learned there was another Megg. - Funkmon, 2014-10-17, 07:51
- I just don't know who to trust anymore.
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? - Ragashingo, 2014-10-17, 01:57
- A:By making an awesome polished title and fixing brokeness. -
Numinar,
2014-10-17, 03:55
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 04:54
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 05:33
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 05:42
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 05:46
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
car15,
2014-10-17, 07:08
- Keyword: *Their* vision
- someotherguy, 2014-10-17, 07:19
- And that's why Greedo definitively shot first.
- Funkmon, 2014-10-17, 07:53
- You shut your whore mouth :P -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 07:59
- lol I don't mind it -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 08:03
- lol I don't mind it - Quirel, 2014-10-17, 13:21
- lol I don't mind it -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 08:03
- You shut your whore mouth :P -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 07:59
- And that's why Greedo definitively shot first.
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-17, 08:01
- Keyword: *Their* vision
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. - Riceamike, 2014-10-17, 14:16
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
car15,
2014-10-17, 07:08
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 05:46
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 05:42
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Numinar,
2014-10-17, 05:52
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-17, 05:54
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
RC,
2014-10-17, 07:14
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-17, 08:08
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-17, 06:29
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
car15,
2014-10-17, 07:11
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 07:57
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-17, 08:13
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 08:22
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 08:27
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 08:32
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-17, 08:43
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 08:32
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 08:27
- This is why I still play Destiny. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 13:45
- This is why I still play Destiny. - Schedonnardus, 2014-10-17, 13:49
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 08:22
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-17, 08:13
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-17, 08:02
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. - someotherguy, 2014-10-17, 09:24
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 14:05
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Kermit,
2014-10-17, 14:43
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-17, 14:56
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Kermit,
2014-10-17, 15:05
- Free Hat! - iconicbanana, 2014-10-17, 15:13
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
car15,
2014-10-22, 04:34
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. - Kermit, 2014-10-23, 06:36
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Kermit,
2014-10-17, 15:05
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. - someotherguy, 2014-10-17, 18:08
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-17, 14:56
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. - Ragashingo, 2014-10-17, 14:45
- I just checked -
kidtsunami,
2014-10-17, 19:53
- I just checked -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-18, 00:00
- oddly enough I don't - kidtsunami, 2014-10-22, 05:44
- I just checked -
car15,
2014-10-22, 04:31
- It's surprisingly easy to sound like a drone. -
kidtsunami,
2014-10-22, 05:50
- It's surprisingly easy to sound like a drone. -
car15,
2014-10-22, 06:03
- yeah I'm hopeful -
kidtsunami,
2014-10-23, 05:56
- IMO in this case the buyout *is* the silver lining
- someotherguy, 2014-10-23, 07:49
- IMO in this case the buyout *is* the silver lining
- yeah I'm hopeful -
kidtsunami,
2014-10-23, 05:56
- It's surprisingly easy to sound like a drone. -
car15,
2014-10-22, 06:03
- It's surprisingly easy to sound like a drone. -
kidtsunami,
2014-10-22, 05:50
- I just checked -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-18, 00:00
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Jabberwok,
2014-10-19, 13:29
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-19, 14:05
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. - kidtsunami, 2014-10-22, 05:53
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-19, 14:05
- "It's their game" is a viewpoint I completely stand against. -
Kermit,
2014-10-17, 14:43
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 07:57
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
car15,
2014-10-17, 07:11
- The Nerf that Wasn't -
someotherguy,
2014-10-17, 07:17
- The Nerf that Wasn't -
Funkmon,
2014-10-17, 07:56
- The Nerf that Wasn't - Xenos, 2014-10-17, 08:05
- The Nerf that Wasn't - someotherguy, 2014-10-17, 09:08
- The Nerf that Wasn't -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 08:11
- The Nerf that Wasn't -
someotherguy,
2014-10-17, 09:19
- The Nerf that Wasn't - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-17, 09:35
- The Nerf that Wasn't - RaichuKFM, 2014-10-19, 10:52
- The Nerf that Wasn't -
someotherguy,
2014-10-17, 09:19
- The Nerf that Wasn't - Revenant1988, 2014-10-17, 08:29
- The Nerf that Wasn't -
Funkmon,
2014-10-17, 07:56
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-17, 05:33
- Except half of these fixes didn't actually need fixed. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 04:54
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? -
Xenos,
2014-10-17, 08:12
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 08:15
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-17, 08:19
- 1,970k have tried the Raid. 472k have defeated Atheon.
- Riceamike, 2014-10-17, 15:11
- I wonder if I count in that? - Ragashingo, 2014-10-17, 15:14
- I have no clue what percentage of total that is though... -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 15:14
- It was kind of rhetorical anyway :/ - iconicbanana, 2014-10-17, 15:45
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-17, 08:17
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-17, 08:15
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-17, 08:28
- By making an awesome Bungie game? -
Numinar,
2014-10-17, 18:02
- By making an awesome Bungie game? -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-17, 18:36
- I wish the raid dropped 'cool shit' -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 19:04
- Be Jealous - Cody Miller, 2014-10-17, 19:19
- I wish the raid dropped 'cool shit' -
Riceamike,
2014-10-17, 19:04
- By making an awesome Bungie game? -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-17, 18:36
- By making an awesome Bungie game? -
Numinar,
2014-10-17, 18:02
- How exactly does Bungie even want us to play this game? - Kalamari, 2014-10-17, 09:24
- And then 343 has an achievement for BXR Button glitch. -
c0ld vengeance,
2014-10-17, 00:53