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Game Stop exclusive Red Sparrow... doesn't this fuck up the Race game type (if it even exists), if you can just buy your way to a faster Sparrow? Fucking hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49G2mqENIRk</a>">

EDIT: Don't know why the link isn't working, but the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49G2mqENIRk&list=PLofwA47XDv2_N1Dx-bbEewBPhzYqiLP0B (I treid removing the stuff after the watch string, but no luck)

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Looks like this "exclusive" version of the Sparrow can still be obtained in-game:

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Text reads:

* Upgraded Sparrow paint job exclusive until 1/1/15. Better acceleration, higher top speed and higher durability plating can be attained through gameplay.

Rejoice!

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My heart just about fell into my stomach until I read about the subtext.

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Looks like this "exclusive" version of the Sparrow can still be obtained in-game:

Text reads:

* Upgraded Sparrow paint job exclusive until 1/1/15. Better acceleration, higher top speed and higher durability plating can be attained through gameplay.

Rejoice!

A timed exclusive? Now that I'm okay with. Hopefully that will be how all the preorder bonuses are.

Then there's just the PS4 exclusive content to worry about..

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Disagreeing with you. That's garbage. If you can get it in-game anyway, then just make it available to everyone from the get-go. Why make everyone who didn't pre-order from random bullshit place #1 drive a slower, less efficient one? Don't stunt gameplay for the masses for a time just because it is apparently unlockable at some random and undefined time in the future.

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Edit: Wow. That was nothing like what the final edit was. dafaq?

Anyway. What if the change from a base-level sparrow to a max'd sparrow was a pretty minimal change?

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Don't stunt gameplay for the masses for a time just because it is apparently unlockable at some random and undefined time in the future.

The upgrades are unlockable immediately. It's the paint job that is exclusive until January.

(Not necessarily disagreeing with the annoyance, just pointing out the fine details)

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Don't stunt gameplay for the masses for a time just because it is apparently unlockable at some random and undefined time in the future.

The upgrades are unlockable immediately. It's the paint job that is exclusive until January.

Source? I haven't seen anywhere that says that the faster acceleration and whatnot is available immediately. Or are you saying that it's able to be unlocked from the moment you buy the game, but you're still going to have to go about leveling up or getting loot or whatever you have to do to get that faster Sparrow? To which I would again say, hey, make all of them that fast from the get-go if it's okay for some people to have it outright via pre-order.

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The upgrades are unlockable immediately. It's the paint job that is exclusive until January.

Source? I haven't seen anywhere that says that the faster acceleration and whatnot is available immediately. Or are you saying that it's able to be unlocked from the moment you buy the game, but you're still going to have to go about leveling up or getting loot or whatever you have to do to get that faster Sparrow? To which I would again say, hey, make all of them that fast from the get-go if it's okay for some people to have it outright via pre-order.

I was saying the latter, it's in the subtext pointed out by JDQuackers here. I don't disagree with you about this being annoying at all, but letting everyone unlock it immediately doesn't make it much of a pre-order bonus. This is sadly about money and marketing not about gameplay.

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The upgrades are unlockable immediately. It's the paint job that is exclusive until January.

Source? I haven't seen anywhere that says that the faster acceleration and whatnot is available immediately. Or are you saying that it's able to be unlocked from the moment you buy the game, but you're still going to have to go about leveling up or getting loot or whatever you have to do to get that faster Sparrow? To which I would again say, hey, make all of them that fast from the get-go if it's okay for some people to have it outright via pre-order.

I was saying the latter, it's in the subtext pointed out by JDQuackers here. I don't disagree with you about this being annoying at all, but letting everyone unlock it immediately doesn't make it much of a pre-order bonus. This is sadly about money and marketing not about gameplay.

Why sadly? Why can't SOME of the decisions made be made for marketing reasons - why can't we acknowledge the reality of making and selling games, and stop pretending that the only thing that SHOULD matter is that the player is happy?

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Why sadly? Why can't SOME of the decisions made be made for marketing reasons - why can't we acknowledge the reality of making and selling games, and stop pretending that the only thing that SHOULD matter is that the player is happy?

Yeah that's an excellent point, my major annoyance lately with pre-order bonuses is that brick and mortar stores like Gamestop are trying to slow down digital distribution by making deals like this instead of embracing it (maybe offer the pre-order bonus with a DIGITAL pre-order of the game? They already sell things like Battlefield Premium which is completely digital). I understand how important marketing is for a game but this kind seems a lot more for Gamestop than for Bungie and Destiny. I do however fully understand that this kind of marketing does make more money for Bungie and Activision, so I undestand the purpose behind it.

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I'm going to channel Cody big time right now I think, but it's not necessarily about making the player happy. It's about what's best for the game. If something is awesome and more fun, why shouldn't it be made available from the start to everyone if it's okay to give it to people who can buy from a particular place? Plenty of other ways to market, plenty of other exclusives that can be given (that are still unlockable later, like the color of the Sparrow).

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I'm going to channel Cody big time right now I think, but it's not necessarily about making the player happy. It's about what's best for the game. If something is awesome and more fun, why shouldn't it be made available from the start to everyone if it's okay to give it to people who can buy from a particular place? Plenty of other ways to market, plenty of other exclusives that can be given (that are still unlockable later, like the color of the Sparrow).

Plenty, huh?

Yeah, I guess they're just screwing us over for the joy of it, then, right?

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Nah. They seemed to do just fine for the previous decade of Halo games they made with all of the marketing.

But whatever. Huge gigantic open shared world experience, why not speed up some peoples' journeys for marketing's sake. I just hope everyone in a fireteam can keep up.

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Nah. They seemed to do just fine for the previous decade of Halo games they made with all of the marketing.

Dude... things change.

AT&T was doing just fine in the 60s with wired phone service to houses... and yet that's a tiny fraction of their business today.

Why are you taking this like a personal attack from Bungie on you, when it's just a sign of how marketing has evolved in the past decade? Things change. Deal with it.

But whatever. Huge gigantic open shared world experience, why not speed up some peoples' journeys for marketing's sake. I just hope everyone in a fireteam can keep up.

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Nah. They seemed to do just fine for the previous decade of Halo games they made with all of the marketing.

Dude... things change.

AT&T was doing just fine in the 60s with wired phone service to houses... and yet that's a tiny fraction of their business today.

Things do change. You scoffed at the "plenty of ways" statement. They had plenty of ways then, and there are still plenty of ways now that don't involve gameplay changing exclusives.

Why are you taking this like a personal attack from Bungie on you, when it's just a sign of how marketing has evolved in the past decade? Things change. Deal with it.

So pete makes a thread, others agree, and others still after the disclaimer still aren't too thrilled at the thought. That becomes a personal attack on people... how? Bungie's not going after anyone. That doesn't mean that the pre-order decision doesn't suck (in my opinion). I feel the issue is the response to the concerns. Pete makes a post, he's a whiner and a debbie downer and so is anyone agreeing with him. Lame reaction to someone who doesn't like something (even if that something is "small" or "exclusive for a limited time").

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What, specifically, are some of the ways out of the plenty? Claude seems to be saying (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that the current system is the best gaming industry people, who are mostly great people, have come up with. The absence of another system right now suggests our current scheme is the best available to balance the myriad of pressures, needs, and wants.

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What, specifically, are some of the ways out of the plenty? Claude seems to be saying (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that the current system is the best gaming industry people, who are mostly great people, have come up with. The absence of another system right now suggests our current scheme is the best available to balance the myriad of pressures, needs, and wants.

A marketing plan that only potentially increases sales at a GameStop from people who would most likely be buying this game regardless (either from GameStop because it's their main/only option, or elsewhere) only increases GameStop's overall sales. I'm sure the effect on Bungie's/Destiny's sales as a whole is minimal.

And what I mean by minimal is that people might cancel their Amazon or Best Buy or whatever pre-orders to go to GameStop. GameStops are still all over the place. The same sales occur. All this does is stunt gameplay for some people when compared to others.

Which doesn't change the fact that I've already said that things that Kermit said are correct. We don't know just how long it will be "exclusive" or how long it takes to unlock in game or any of that. The theory is that if it's a pre-order bonus worth making a pre-order bonus, it's not some simple unlock after a few simple hours of play. Again, I could be completely wrong. Regardless, pre-order exclusive content that impacts gameplay shouldn't happen. I think that's all I really need to say about this anymore. Others can disagree, and that's fine, too.

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Certainly. Perhaps not outright, but there's an arrangement that is considered mutually beneficial between the marketing divisions involved.

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Why sadly? Why can't SOME of the decisions made be made for marketing reasons - why can't we acknowledge the reality of making and selling games, and stop pretending that the only thing that SHOULD matter is that the player is happy?

Because exactly zero extra people will buy the game who otherwise aren't because of this bonus. It has zero effect on marketing and sales. All the benefit goes to gamestop. None to Bungie. In fact, it is detrimental to Bungie because of the effect on the game, and on their reputation.

They could have not done this, sold exactly as many copies, and have had a better game.

Fucking sellouts. I think we can finally say it. Sad day isn't it Matt?

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Wait. Sellouts? If they got no benefit and no money from the deal... how are they selling out? As usual, I'd advise you to drop the bad language and hyperbole... :/

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Gaming rivals Hollywood. It's a huge business with mucho Delores at stake. Retailers want a piece, something they can latch onto so they can ride what they hope is a juggernaut into the city of gold. It appears that Bungie offers a crumb, but it is a crumb that will have a nominal effect, if any, on actual gamers, who by all evidence have remained their focus. We don't know the terms or details. We don't know what pressures Bungie may have been under play ball by offering actual game-breaking content instead of a bonus, which even its detractors characterize as not much of a bonus. Yet in our high and mighty perch on a forum we call them sell-outs, as if we were there at the negotiating table. It must feel great to know how superior you are to those bastards at Bungie.

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It must feel great to know how superior you are to those bastards at Bungie.

Do you really think it feels GOOD to see a company whose games have been a huge part of my life and who are known for top quality start to go the way of Blizzard, Maxis, Lucasarts, etc?

It feels TERRIBLE.

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I think what is amusing to me here is that everybody was ready to jump on Activision with the whole Marty situation as if the publisher somehow has say on who Bungie hires or lets go, but on a MARKETING decision, something we know that Activision is heavily involved in, we blame Bungie and call them bastards, and Activision isn't even mentioned.

The fact that they decided to include a tiny retailer exclusive pre-order bonus will not ruin this game. Yes I don't necessarily like it, but I also happen to know that there is intense pressure all around to do this kind of thing. They could've had a special gun, armor, extra missions, double experience, or what have you, but they chose something that from everything we've seen will have very little effect on gameplay. You can drive faster from place to place, so effing what? If we're playing together it just means you have to wait for me, and when we get there I can shoot aliens in the face just as well as you. This may not be cosmetic, but it's as close to cosmetic as you can possibly get without being cosmetic.

I'll gladly upgrade my sparrow and enjoy the process, if someone wants to fly circles around me while I do have fun :-p

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It must feel great to know how superior you are to those bastards at Bungie.

Do you really think it feels GOOD to see a company whose games have been a huge part of my life and who are known for top quality start to go the way of Blizzard, Maxis, Lucasarts, etc?

I don't get the extreme response over this. We don't know how this exclusive actually affects game play. We don't know how trivial it could be, in that anyone might be able to upgrade their sparrow's speed after a few hours playing the game. You're obviously aware of Bungie's pedigree for delivering great experiences to gamers, and yet this is the last straw--they've earned no benefit of a doubt from you.

You've got enough cynicism and curmudgeonliness for a man twice your age (I would know). What are you going to do now, Cody? Not play Destiny? Leave DBO? Walk the earth, meet people, get into adventures?

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The need for purity, man. It's a bitch.

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Which is the problem, and why I'm saying it shouldn't be a pre-order bonus. For all we know, this faster sparrow could take a month to unlock through hours worth of daily gameplay. Of course, for all we know, you can unlock this thing in a matter of twelve hours, and I'm making a big deal about nothing.

Which would also, like you said, be a pretty weak pre-order bonus if it's that easy to obtain. Either way, giving preferential treatment to people who have the ability to get this bonus from this particular place is pretty obnoxious. It actually impacts gameplay to some extent, while making gameplay less "fun" or "fast" for others. I argee with pete's initial post, and I feel like the little disclaimer has changed nothing. Can't wait to see what other nonsense pre-orders pop up.

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Which is the problem, and why I'm saying it shouldn't be a pre-order bonus. For all we know, this faster sparrow could take a month to unlock through hours worth of daily gameplay. Of course, for all we know, you can unlock this thing in a matter of twelve hours, and I'm making a big deal about nothing.

Which would also, like you said, be a pretty weak pre-order bonus if it's that easy to obtain. Either way, giving preferential treatment to people who have the ability to get this bonus from this particular place is pretty obnoxious. It actually impacts gameplay to some extent, while making gameplay less "fun" or "fast" for others. I argee with pete's initial post, and I feel like the little disclaimer has changed nothing. Can't wait to see what other nonsense pre-orders pop up.

I'm confused--what are you unhappy about? That it's a weak pre-order or a strong one? The little disclaimer identifies it as essentially a cosmetic bonus. That's enticing enough for some people, and let them be enticed. I was enticed by a cat helmet, a statue of characters I knew little about, and having my head on fire in game. Call me an idiot if you want, but it made money for Bungie and Microsoft, which has, in effect, enabled Bungie to make Destiny. Making games (especially games like Destiny) takes some serious scratch. Finding creative extra-game ways of making the endeavor profitable is fine and dandy with me if it keeps Bungie in the black and they can keep bringing me joy as they have for 20 years now.

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It was rhetorical about the weak pre-order. His point was that it wouldn't be much of a pre-order exclusive if it was just available to everyone from the get-go, and my point was that if it was super easy to obtain in-game, it's still not much of a pre-order exclusive.

Edit: Original gripe here, (or uberfoop's posts):

http://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=21806

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It was rhetorical about the weak pre-order. His point was that it wouldn't be much of a pre-order exclusive if it was just available to everyone from the get-go, and my point was that if it was super easy to obtain in-game, it's still not much of a pre-order exclusive.

Edit: Original gripe here, (or uberfoop's posts):

http://destiny.bungie.org/forum/index.php?id=21806

You get a red sparrow for three months. May be a weak pre-order, but that's good, right? Doesn't affect gameplay (or perhaps marginally on launch day). Someone might not much care whether they buy from Gamestop or Amazon, but they love the sparrow and the color red. Gamestop wins, nobody really loses anything.

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It does affect gameplay. The color itself is exclusive for three months. The impression given is that you also get a faster Sparrow from the get-go, with the difference being that you can unlock this faster Sparrow through general gameplay sometime before three months (however long that may be, and one would assume it's long enough to warrant making it a special pre-order).

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What if it takes the tutorial to unlock the faster Sparrow and they're really just fucking with the pre-order people, instead of us? I mean, we can't possibly know how much effort is required.

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True to not knowing the effort. And if they're just screwing with GameStop or other pre-order places, as far as my Destiny purchases are concerned (in full hilarious support of Bungie):

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What if it takes the tutorial to unlock the faster Sparrow and they're really just fucking with the pre-order people, instead of us? I mean, we can't possibly know how much effort is required.

Exactly. And the point of my original post was that cosmetic stuff that doesn't affect gameplay is often enough to entice.

The disclaimer is there for a reason, so people can know that this "performance advantage" is not really what's exclusive.

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Pre-order bonuses that confer gameplay advantages are shitty. Pre-order bonuses that don't confer gameplay advantages are shitty.

Somebody wants a red sparrow just because, and gamestop gets their business.

So freaking what.

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If this only had to do with a color and not actual gameplay, odds are pete wouldn't have even made this thread. Also, no one has said a word about the color aspect. It's damned if you do pre-orders that impact gameplay.

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If this only had to do with a color and not actual gameplay, odds are pete wouldn't have even made this thread. Also, no one has said a word about the color aspect. It's damned if you do pre-orders that impact gameplay.

Wrong. Ever since JDQuackers' post, numerous people have expressed relief that the paintjob is the only real exclusive, and that it's timed.

I don't disagree regarding pre-order bonuses that affect gameplay, but I doubt this qualifies else there'd be no need for a disclaimer.

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Wrong. Ever since JDQuackers' post, numerous people have expressed relief that the paintjob is the only real exclusive, and that it's timed.

The entire focus was never about the color. That's the point. It was about the fast Sparrow and its effects on gameplay. You can even see that in JDQuacker's initial post.

I don't disagree regarding pre-order bonuses that affect gameplay, but I doubt this qualifies else there'd be no need a disclaimer.

The disclaimer is there to tell you that they know this impacts gameplay, and that you can still get this yourself in some form or another after who knows how long. If this didn't impact gameplay, there would be no need for the disclaimer (except for the aesthetic coloring, which would have the disclaimer of a three month time period).

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If this only had to do with a color and not actual gameplay, odds are pete wouldn't have even made this thread. Also, no one has said a word about the color aspect. It's damned if you do pre-orders that impact gameplay.

I would've made the thread. I think preorder exclusives, especially retail specific, are BS.

Yes, I know where Claude is coming from, and making this a limited time exclusive is a lesser evil kind've scenario.

Would I rather there be no preorder exclusives? Yes!
Would I rather Bungie do THIS rather than what 343 Industries did with Halo 4? Yes!

Your comment about hoping the rest of the fireteam being able to keep up is exactly what I thought. But it's kind've a moot point because at some point players will be able to upgrade their Sparrow anyway, so the discrepancy will exist. This just means it will exist on day one, instead of day five.

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If this only had to do with a color and not actual gameplay, odds are pete wouldn't have even made this thread. Also, no one has said a word about the color aspect. It's damned if you do pre-orders that impact gameplay.

I would've made the thread. I think preorder exclusives, especially retail specific, are BS.

Yes, I know where Claude is coming from, and making this a limited time exclusive is a lesser evil kind've scenario.

Would I rather there be no preorder exclusives? Yes!
Would I rather Bungie do THIS rather than what 343 Industries did with Halo 4? Yes!

Your comment about hoping the rest of the fireteam being able to keep up is exactly what I thought. But it's kind've a moot point because at some point players will be able to upgrade their Sparrow anyway, so the discrepancy will exist. This just means it will exist on day one, instead of day five.

Ah, I get you. Didn't really consider the retailer exclusive part. Part of that "things change, deal with it" that Claude was giving me is my not caring if they offer dumb exclusives like aesthetics that don't impact gameplay. That's the way things have gone, nothing can be done about it, and at least it doesn't impact anything.

I don't like the compromise thought of "I would rather Bungie does this vs. what 343 did" because, well, I'd rather neither of them do what they are. I get that you feel it's a moot point, day one vs. day five or whatever, but DLC that impacts gameplay, even if for a day, shouldn't exist as far as I'm concerned (especially when retailer exclusive, like you said).

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Disagreeing with you. That's garbage. If you can get it in-game anyway, then just make it available to everyone from the get-go. Why make everyone who didn't pre-order from random bullshit place #1 drive a slower, less efficient one? Don't stunt gameplay for the masses for a time just because it is apparently unlockable at some random and undefined time in the future.

You're starting to sound like someone I know.

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Good news. I was sort of thinking when I watched the vid that you could probably get a vehicle as good through upgrades (they have said that vehicles can be upgraded/customized). Good to have that confirmed.

I'd liken it to some of the pre-order armor suits you could get in the Mass Effect games. The suits would have bonuses - extra shields/health, power damage, ammo capacity, etc. But you could find armor in the game with bonuses that were just as good (and in some cases, better, because you could mix and match armor pieces to dial in the bonuses you wanted).

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If you want to see how you do it click reply and it'll show you the code in the quote it creates for my post.

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Faaaaaaaancy.... I guessed on the tags and then just filled in the whole URL. Didn't know you had to be a wizard! Thanks :)

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Faaaaaaaancy.... I guessed on the tags and then just filled in the whole URL. Didn't know you had to be a wizard! Thanks :)

You don't. Check the 'DBO Forum Tips, Guidelines, and Rules *2.0*' post stickied at the top - there are links to two different ways of doing it (the simple, option-free way Xenos showed you, plus a way with more bells and whistles if you need to breathe).

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On the bright side, the spawning-a-vehicle-midair thing looked cool.

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I have a new request. Given that I will buy at least two copies of Destiny, let all bonuses be cross-platform.

Honestly, though, the only extra I care about is DLC, and that will be later.

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I have a new request. Given that I will buy at least two copies of Destiny, let all bonuses be cross-platform.

Honestly, though, the only extra I care about is DLC, and that will be later.

I'm really holding out for the idea that any DLC will be tied to your Bungie.net account and not to you console.

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I have a new request. Given that I will buy at least two copies of Destiny, let all bonuses be cross-platform.

Honestly, though, the only extra I care about is DLC, and that will be later.

I'm really holding out for the idea that any DLC will be tied to your Bungie.net account and not to you console.

Well, unfortunately, we know that's that Sony has been promised early DLC, so even if it's tied to Bungie, you'll still have to wait on other platforms.

Bonuses tied to the Bungie account would be cool, though, if we must have unique pre-order bonuses.

[Again, I don't much care, although I did like the flaming helmet in Reach (though it's not why I bought the legendary edition.)]

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I have a new request. Given that I will buy at least two copies of Destiny, let all bonuses be cross-platform.

Honestly, though, the only extra I care about is DLC, and that will be later.

I'm really holding out for the idea that any DLC will be tied to your Bungie.net account and not to you console.

I highly doubt that as it is purchased through the online marketplaces of each console.

MAYBE, MAYBE people get lucky in that they could bring DLC with them from 360 to One or PS3 to PS4, through a voucher code or something but even then I would expect it to have some kind of $2 convenience fee tacked onto it like Rock Band did way back to get songs from RB1 to RB2.

Asking for the DLC you bought on the PS4 to be active on an XB1 and vice versa?

lolololololololololol

Edit: Like my BF4 DLC- sure would be great if I could bring that with me to a new console when I upgrade, but it won't.

Just like when software is purchased for Windows and you have a Mac (or vice versa) you gotta buy two versions. It's not apples to apples folks.

This generation: You pay. You pay now!

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I highly doubt that as it is purchased through the online marketplaces of each console.

Ah, but what if you buy it ON Bungie.net? Seems like it could be done that way.

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I highly doubt that as it is purchased through the online marketplaces of each console.

Ah, but what if you buy it ON Bungie.net? Seems like it could be done that way.

That, could set all new kinds of precedence.

I wouldn't put it past Bungie; They've traditionally been a "Yeah, we're gonna do things our way because reasons" kind of place, but in a good way.

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Guys - this thing is awesome! why are people whining about retailer pre-order exclusives... It makes sense that different companies would want to have different bonuses to offer as a way to counteract one store having the monopoly on pre-orders...

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Guys - this thing is awesome! why are people whining about retailer pre-order exclusives... It makes sense that different companies would want to have different bonuses to offer as a way to counteract one store having the monopoly on pre-orders...

Honestly I am fine with pre-order bonuses, but thus far Bungie has avoided store exclusive pre-order bonuses since people don't want to buy a copy from every retailer to get everything they can. The Halo games they were in charge of always had universal pre-order bonuses. This one doesn't bother me AS much since you can get the upgrade through gameplay.

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Honestly I am fine with pre-order bonuses, but thus far Bungie has avoided store exclusive pre-order bonuses since people don't want to buy a copy from every retailer to get everything they can. The Halo games they were in charge of always had universal pre-order bonuses. This one doesn't bother me AS much since you can get the upgrade through gameplay.

Are you sure?

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Bah! I forgot about that one. Sometimes I really do wish Gamestop would die in a fire.

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Guys - this thing is awesome! why are people whining about retailer pre-order exclusives... It makes sense that different companies would want to have different bonuses to offer as a way to counteract one store having the monopoly on pre-orders...

I think the complaint was that until the small print was noticed at the bottom of the video, it looked like the exclusive was not just cosmetic.

Non-cosmetic exclusives are BAD - because it means that the playing field's not level when you start. (This is a different issue than PURCHASEABLE non-cosmetic upgrades; that's a different kind of bad, and more debatable as to its 'badness' - because anyone willing to pay has access to the upgrade. In the case of seller exclusives, you only have access to the ones that YOUR SELLER is offering - it's far less reasonable to suggest that if you want all non-cosmetic upgrades, you have to buy multiple copies of the game itself to get them.)

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You nailed it. Cosmetic exclusives are fine. I don't care about those. But when you offer something that gives a tangible benefit then I have a problem. Luckily Bungie has always been pretty good about that. Reach for example had armors but that was it.

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dealer specific bonuses are BS thank god it's available in game cuz I HATE GAMESTOP

(for no particular reason in that there is not 1 w/in 100 miles of me)

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why are people whining about retailer pre-order exclusives...

Because it offers gameplay advantages to players for no reason other than they purchased the game at a certain retailer.

Even with it being a timed exclusive, that's several months during which Destiny is going to be deliberately made inferior for the sake of marketing agreements.

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I guess I post too much...

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Habit.

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Oops, that was me! I had too many tabs open and glanced at the wrong one. Sorry, Pete, I fixed the citation! :)

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I've always been a fan of purely cosmetic exclusives and campaign-only functional exclusives, but this kinda irks me, especially for multiplayer. Granted I'll have no problem beating everyone to the finish line with anything, but I'm sure the vast majority of players can't say the same. At least it'll be available for everyone soon after launch, so I guess it's okie dokes with me.

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Thank god for subtext

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It's still stupid.

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What if...

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Maybe GameStop is paying someone for this? Makes sense to me

Maybe GameStop is paying someone for this? Makes sense to me

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Selling out for nothing... literally?

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Rant

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Got that working for you :-D

Got that working for you :-D

Got that working for you :-D

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If we must live with this evil ...

If we must live with this evil ...

If we must live with this evil ...

If we must live with this evil ...

If we must live with this evil ...

If we must live with this evil ...

Don't be such a debbie downer!

Don't be such a debbie downer!

Don't be such a debbie downer!

Don't be such a debbie downer!

Don't be such a debbie downer!

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Exactly

Mo' money, mo' problems

Good points, CE.

Don't be such a debbie downer!

Don't be such a debbie downer!

Grim gave me credit for some reason haha.

Grim gave me credit for some reason haha.

D'oh!

Kinda cool, mostly lame

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