Massive Update (Destiny)
by Cody Miller 
, Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, May 29, 2026, 14:09 (7 days ago)
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/twid_05_29_2026
Why could they not make these kinds of huge updates when the game was still alive?
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/twid_05_29_2026
Why could they not make these kinds of huge updates when the game was still alive?
Because there was always the next update.
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This certainly seems like a bunch of really positive updates - it's also actually a little comforting that with the freeze on development, there won't be any unwanted changes to worry about in the future.
I am a little concerned that in typical recent Bungie fashion, there will be vast amounts of bugs when this is rolled out and they won't have the resources to fix them.
It also seems like we will be getting some vaulted raid encounters back as part of Pantheon, but if we don't get a full return of Scourge of the Past, that's a real shame. I think Scourge is the best raid they ever made.
It also seems like we will be getting some vaulted raid encounters back as part of Pantheon, but if we don't get a full return of Scourge of the Past, that's a real shame. I think Scourge is the best raid they ever made.
That’s interesting. I love Scourge, but the best? Now you have me thinking, and I’m not sure which is the best. If I could do any raid right this second, I think it would be Deep Stone Crypt, but I’m not sure I think it’s the best. Not to mention the two or three I’ve never done.
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That’s interesting. I love Scourge, but the best? Now you have me thinking, and I’m not sure which is the best. If I could do any raid right this second, I think it would be Deep Stone Crypt, but I’m not sure I think it’s the best. Not to mention the two or three I’ve never done.
Looks like back in 2021, I started ranking raids, but never really finished it. I actually misremembered, apparently I put Last Wish at #1, but Scourge was #2. The argument for Scourge at #1 is "all killer, no filler", whereas Wish probably has 2 encounters that aren't great, plus the big cheese issue when it comes to Riven.
Here's what I had in 2021:
1. Last Wish
2. Scourge of the Past – All killer, no filler.
3. Wrath of the Machine – D1
4. Deep Stone Crypt
5. Crown of Sorrow
6. Garden of Salvation
7. Crota’s End – D1
8. Kings Fall – D1
9. Eater of Worlds
10. Leviathan
11. Spire of Stars
12. Vault of Glass – D1
At that time, we hadn't had reissued D2 versions of King's Fall, Crota's End or VoG, and the new raids that are missing on this list are:
Vow of the Disciple
Root of Nightmares
Salvation’s Edge
Desert Perpetual (still haven't done the boss)
I'd say all of those clear D1 Crota's End. Maybe I'll think about it and update my list, I'd love to see what other people think now that it seems like this might be it for Destiny raids for the foreseeable future.
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by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Thursday, June 04, 2026, 22:24 (21 hours, 23 minutes ago) @ squidnh3
Looks like back in 2021, I started ranking raids, but never really finished it. I actually misremembered, apparently I put Last Wish at #1, but Scourge was #2. The argument for Scourge at #1 is "all killer, no filler", whereas Wish probably has 2 encounters that aren't great, plus the big cheese issue when it comes to Riven.
Here's what I had in 2021:
1. Last Wish
That can't be right. It was during the second boss of the Last Wish Raid I made the decision to quit Destiny, and haven't returned since.
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That can't be right. It was during the second boss of the Last Wish Raid I made the decision to quit Destiny, and haven't returned since.
Shuro Chi? That's one of my favorite encounters. It's the one after that, Morgeth, that I don't like.
I'm a sucker for raid encounters that go somewhere or require traversal, which probably explains most of my list.
That can't be right. It was during the second boss of the Last Wish Raid I made the decision to quit Destiny, and haven't returned since.
Shuro Chi? That's one of my favorite encounters. It's the one after that, Morgeth, that I don't like.I'm a sucker for raid encounters that go somewhere or require traversal, which probably explains most of my list.
I really like Last Wish. Although I’ve still never finished it. I never beat Riven.
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by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, June 05, 2026, 08:45 (11 hours, 1 minutes ago) @ squidnh3
That can't be right. It was during the second boss of the Last Wish Raid I made the decision to quit Destiny, and haven't returned since.
Shuro Chi? That's one of my favorite encounters.
Yes, this is the one.
I think it was more that I had missed a week, and couldn't get to power level to do the raid blind. Playing it for the first time with a group who had already finished it… it just lost so much of the joy you get when you're figuring it out.
Falling behind, seeing how the powerful engram system was working, and knowing the game was going free to play… all that together was what made me decide to quit.
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Falling behind, seeing how the powerful engram system was working, and knowing the game was going free to play… all that together was what made me decide to quit.
I can't remember how any of that leveling stuff worked anymore, it's changed so many times.
I feel lucky (thanks Kermit) to have at least tried all the raids except for VoG and the latest one (Desert Perpetual) blind. Not really sure how many we finished totally blind, but we usually at least made it to the point where we figured out most of the final boss mechanics, which felt like enough. My rankings probably do reflect that a bit - Crota was my first blind raid so it's a bit higher, and I never did VoG blind so I don't have a super fond memory of that one. But some of them are also based on how satisfying it was to develop expertise on them from doing them frequently and in many different challenging ways to get Triumphs. Crown of Sorrow is one like that - the final encounter initially seems brutally punishing, but my group eventually developed enough expertise we could juggle all the required tasks and improvise solutions to mistakes on the fly.
I still have 2 raids I'm totally blind for.
by Vortech , A Fourth Wheel, Friday, June 05, 2026, 11:49 (7 hours, 57 minutes ago) @ squidnh3
I had a group that would do the raids blind even if it took a month or whatever to get to it. That group are still blind too, but the difference is with these last two it's because none of us ever play anymore.
I still have 2 raids I'm totally blind for.
by Kermit , Raleigh, NC, Friday, June 05, 2026, 12:57 (6 hours, 49 minutes ago) @ Vortech
I had a group that would do the raids blind even if it took a month or whatever to get to it. That group are still blind too, but the difference is with these last two it's because none of us ever play anymore.
I would have loved to have had a group like that because recruiting for blind raids became increasing difficult as time went on (with the exception of a few stalwarts--thanks to squid for being an anchor! [in a good way]).
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by Cody Miller , Music of the Spheres - Never Forgot, Friday, June 05, 2026, 16:46 (3 hours, 0 minutes ago) @ squidnh3
Falling behind, seeing how the powerful engram system was working, and knowing the game was going free to play… all that together was what made me decide to quit.
I can't remember how any of that leveling stuff worked anymore, it's changed so many times.
You could only power up via powerful engrams, which you got by doing weekly activities, or by doing all the daily activities. There may have been a few others as well. But if you miss a day / week, the opportunity was gone. No matter how much you played, you could not 'catch up' from missing a week.
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by ZackDark , Not behind you. NO! Don't look., Friday, June 05, 2026, 17:03 (2 hours, 43 minutes ago) @ squidnh3
Crown of Sorrow is one like that - the final encounter initially seems brutally punishing, but my group eventually developed enough expertise we could juggle all the required tasks and improvise solutions to mistakes on the fly.
Juggling encounters like that were always my favorite. Feels so much better than rote fixed actions.
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by Kermit , Raleigh, NC, Friday, June 05, 2026, 17:37 (2 hours, 9 minutes ago) @ squidnh3
Falling behind, seeing how the powerful engram system was working, and knowing the game was going free to play… all that together was what made me decide to quit.
I can't remember how any of that leveling stuff worked anymore, it's changed so many times.I feel lucky (thanks Kermit) to have at least tried all the raids except for VoG and the latest one (Desert Perpetual) blind. Not really sure how many we finished totally blind, but we usually at least made it to the point where we figured out most of the final boss mechanics, which felt like enough. My rankings probably do reflect that a bit - Crota was my first blind raid so it's a bit higher, and I never did VoG blind so I don't have a super fond memory of that one. But some of them are also based on how satisfying it was to develop expertise on them from doing them frequently and in many different challenging ways to get Triumphs. Crown of Sorrow is one like that - the final encounter initially seems brutally punishing, but my group eventually developed enough expertise we could juggle all the required tasks and improvise solutions to mistakes on the fly.
We share the same standard for completion when it comes to blind raids: once we've figured out the final mechanic, the blind raid is complete. I also feel lucky to have had that experience most of the time. We got hints sometimes. Sometimes whether we wanted them or not. Desert Perpetual wasn't blind. Salvation's Edge wasn't blind except the first encounter. We tried! The one that makes me the maddest is Crota's End, because someone couldn't keep their mouth shut. (Admittedly, it takes a special person to pretend to be blind, but I know a few who can do it.) VoG blind was almost indescribable, just because every aspect was so new--soup to nuts. And maybe everyone was just younger, but everyone could play the whole weekend with only short breaks. Amazing.
Just looked at my stats. Across all platforms and D1 and D2, I've played VoG the most--126 times. Wow! It is the easiest to recruit for.
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by Kermit , Raleigh, NC, Friday, June 05, 2026, 17:20 (2 hours, 27 minutes ago) @ squidnh3
That’s interesting. I love Scourge, but the best? Now you have me thinking, and I’m not sure which is the best. If I could do any raid right this second, I think it would be Deep Stone Crypt, but I’m not sure I think it’s the best. Not to mention the two or three I’ve never done.
Looks like back in 2021, I started ranking raids, but never really finished it. I actually misremembered, apparently I put Last Wish at #1, but Scourge was #2. The argument for Scourge at #1 is "all killer, no filler", whereas Wish probably has 2 encounters that aren't great, plus the big cheese issue when it comes to Riven.Here's what I had in 2021:
1. Last Wish
2. Scourge of the Past – All killer, no filler.
3. Wrath of the Machine – D1
4. Deep Stone Crypt
5. Crown of Sorrow
6. Garden of Salvation
7. Crota’s End – D1
8. Kings Fall – D1
9. Eater of Worlds
10. Leviathan
11. Spire of Stars
12. Vault of Glass – D1At that time, we hadn't had reissued D2 versions of King's Fall, Crota's End or VoG, and the new raids that are missing on this list are:
Vow of the Disciple
Root of Nightmares
Salvation’s Edge
Desert Perpetual (still haven't done the boss)
We need to correct that!
I'd say all of those clear D1 Crota's End. Maybe I'll think about it and update my list, I'd love to see what other people think now that it seems like this might be it for Destiny raids for the foreseeable future.
I should really consider making a list of my favorites.
Overall, Deep Stone Crypt is up there. I just love the aesthetic (Not of fan of jumping puzzles, but the space walks one of the most sublime moments in any raid.) I mourn the ones that are vaulted. I really liked the Raid Lairs.
Vow of the Disciple
Root of Nightmares
Salvation’s Edge
Desert Perpetual (still haven't done the boss)
We need to correct that!
I did Vow like twice, I think, but nothing after that. If we ever put together a crew, I'd be down to go through the ones I've missed.
Vow of the Disciple
Root of Nightmares
Salvation’s Edge
Desert Perpetual (still haven't done the boss)
We need to correct that!
I did Vow like twice, I think, but nothing after that. If we ever put together a crew, I'd be down to go through the ones I've missed.
Duly noted! This may sound silly, but when trying to organize raids, I did think about team dynamics--when I had the luxury (a rarity in truth). Some people were unpredictable, some had very strict schedules, some had quirks and strong personalities that maybe didn't mesh with other strong personalities. I'm not complaining--I liked playing with nearly all the regulars here, and it was good to have a mix. I always need a few strong tone setters, though--good, friendly players who would stay cool when things went south, have patience (with me!), and be supportive when people would screw up (me again, usually). You're one of those, cheapLEY.
1. Last Wish
2. Scourge of the Past – All killer, no filler.
3. Wrath of the Machine – D1
4. Deep Stone Crypt
5. Crown of Sorrow
6. Garden of Salvation
7. Crota’s End – D1
8. Kings Fall – D1
9. Eater of Worlds
10. Leviathan
11. Spire of Stars
12. Vault of Glass – D1
Vow of the Disciple
Root of Nightmares
Salvation’s Edge
Desert Perpetual (still haven't done the boss)
I'm having more trouble than I anticipated trying to order a list, to be honest. They all have their moments.
1. Deep Stone Crypt. After consideration, I think this is straight through my favorite raid. Every encounter is fun, the aesthetic rules, and the space walk is maybe my favorite raid moment ever. It just hit me.
2. Vault of Glass. There's something to be said for being the OG, and I think it holds up incredibly well. D1 or D2, this raid is just fun.
3. Eater of Worlds. I just love this raid, and I think Argos is still my favorite encounter. Lots of enemies to shoot, mechanics that are fun but not overbearing, with plenty of room for picking up after mistakes without having to just reset the encounter.
4. Scourge of the Past. I think you're right, Scourge is great. The sparrow section was cool at the time, and it still is. I also love the city setting, jumping around on rooftops is fun.
5. Leviathan. It's been too long, so I'm not sure how well this would hold up, but at launch this might have been my favorite raid. The addition of the underbelly was really novel and cool, and I still love the dogs encounter.
6. Last Wish. Probably my favorite blind raid experience. I can't say why, but this one was particularly fun to puzzle out for some reason, even though I still haven't killed Riven.
7. Vow of the Disciple. I didn't get to do this one blind, unfortunately. The vibes are immaculate, though.
8. King's Fall. My first blind raid. Oryx is still a great fight, and this is the most fun platforming section in any raid, I think.
9. The rest probably end up here with no real differentiation for me. I didn't like Spire of Stars all that much, I only did Crown of Sorrows once or twice, only did Wrath of the Machine once, I didn't care much for Garden of Salvation (making those stupid links was more frustrating than fun).
I haven't played the most recent three raids it seems, so obviously can't comment.