I will certainly try it with you this week for some strikes if you want (not tonight though—I need to be efficient grinding out double rewards while I can).

I just don’t have much interest in the time investment of getting this to work then also the time of going through a raid.

A shame, as adding folks to a 1300/1330 variants would probably make those go by much faster. (FYI I'll be on.) >_>

Not overall, unfortunately. In our case, adding a 4th to our fireteam sped up our mission completion by maybe 1-2 minutes (we were already completing 1330 nightfalls in roughly 15 minutes as a group of 3), and it took us at least 15 minutes to match up together as a group of 4. The fact that you have to go through that process again at the start of each activity you want to run together really kills my desire to try it again for anything less than a raid or perhaps Dungeon. Even then, it’s probably not worth it from a time investment stand point. My clan will typically do 3 complete Deep Stone Crypt completions in 90-120 minutes. Without getting into speed-runner glitches and exploits, we can’t get through the raid much faster than we already do.

I’d still love to try a 12-man raid just for the novelty of it. It looks like a blast. But the barrier to entry is a bit steep for me (in terms of time required) to do it on a whim, and my schedule is still ruled by a toddler, so it’s rare that I can ever carve out a large chunk of time where I’m guaranteed to go undisturbed.

]player 2] sends an invite to [player 1], who opens and accepts it, and waits at the "do you want to bring your whole fireteam with you" prompt.

You mean player 3?

This is the approach that I've used to run multiple Master nightfalls in a group of 6 (text cribbed from Reddit and edited)

To explain this, I'm going to designate 3 people in the group of 12 as [player 1], [player 2], and [player 3]

• [player 1] is solo in orbit, and invites all participants to a fireteam.
  
• [player 1] will promote [player 3] to fireteam leader, and then [player 1] and [player 2] will leave the fireteam, splitting the group into 2 people solo in orbit and 10 together.
  
• [player 1] will now join on [player 2], and then [player 2] will promote [player 1] to fireteam leader. This is the most important step, and what caused our runs to succeed.
  
• [player 2] sends an invite to [player 3], who opens and accepts it, and waits at the "do you want to bring your whole fireteam with you" prompt.
  
• [player 1] will call out when they are launching the activity, and [player 2] will signal to [player 3] when to complete the join. The specific timing varies depending on latency between players, but typically [player 2] should say "go" right as they see the timer change from 3 to 2.
  
• If done right, [player 1] should see "someone is joining your fireteam" around 0 seconds.
  
• If not, [player 1] and [player 2] change characters or leave the fireteam and try again.

In our experience, we were consistently successful with player 1 and player 3 being very distant (~6000 miles apart), and player 1 calling to join just before 2 changed to 1 from the perspective of player 2.

I volunteer to be player 4.

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This process reminds me of doing the 3-player splitscreen co-op trick in Halo 3.

Good times.

This is just complicated enough that I wish they'd leave it in for funsies.

yeah, yeah, loot farming, etc.

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I think you’re overestimating how easy it might be to herd cats.

We had ten last night in Garden. It took a bit over three hours with the Divinity puzzles. I think the only encounter we actually saved any time at all was the Spire defense before Consecrated Mind, just because we had enough folks to station at each Spire and not have to move around.

Not only that, but the added firepower with 9-12 people is often offset by the bugginess of the encounters with more than 6 - you can do more damage, but it doesn't count, or the target goes immune unexpectedly (Morgeth did this to us the other day), etc.

I think you’re overestimating how easy it might be to herd cats.

We had ten last night in Garden. It took a bit over three hours with the Divinity puzzles. I think the only encounter we actually saved any time at all was the Spire defense before Consecrated Mind, just because we had enough folks to station at each Spire and not have to move around.

What about this whole thread gives you the idea that I've overestimated? I've certainly played enough with y'all to already be pre-aware of the cat aspect, it's why I made this whole post to begin with! We all have our nonsense to contend with, and that's fine, such is life. I've played enough of Last Wish that the jest of what we need to do is estimable. Even if we only get through one raid, that's a success in my book.

The only reason I even included garden was per request of Korny, which is now moot since he has received Divinity now. We'll see.

All in all, all this second guessing just feels like unnecessary fretting at this point. We'll get in and adapt as needed. Colosseum rules, we all can be adults here yes? I guess I'll be finding out in a few.

It's a raid evening, there will be SOME problem some where. Practically guaranteed. Yee. Freek'n. Haw.

Apparently they don't persist if you leave, so scratch that idea.

You might have a rather large to do list considering we’re starting at 9:30 Eastern. I humbly suggest that you go in by yourself and apply those wishes and grab the first checkpoint. If the consensus is not to apply them, just scrap the checkpoint. Also, follow chappy’s instructions. Accept no substitutes.

I can commit to only one raid. Midnight EST is my cut off. As I’ve already stated in my comment in the event, I consider myself a fill-in if you don’t already have 12.

Kermit, with all due respect, I feel your concerns are HEAVILY misplaced. We have at the moment 9 folks confirmed signed up. Do you expect that the 15 or so minutes to add these wishes (if even that) is really a weight on the time? Notice (as I have) 9 folks, each with a focus on two buttons. Would that take too long? Let's say it did, so that would be 9:45 pm for you... Can 9 folks blow through this raid in 2 hours and 15 minutes? I think so, most definitely. We can totally do that with 9 folks, but Shuro Chi shall be the definitive answer to this, I think.

I meant no offense, man. I've got some experience organizing events, and I'm was just trying to calibrate expectations a little.

No offense here, I know you mean well. Just, you get what you bring to a party, yeah? Timing is everything. Spreading doubts/concerns on the eve of a party when it hasn't even started, that's just not cool. Don't pull the rug after the planned placement, you risk making a mess. Especially after I've posted this entire week inquiring this forum, and getting mostly nothing back in return. Perhaps you've not experienced that? It's been labeled Last Wish the whole time, and the idea towards a Garden run was a last second idea in kindness to Korny, which of course is now biting me in the ass a little, but so it goes.

That said... we're down to 8 confirmed at the moment. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thank you for the note about the 12th Wish however. I was totally unaware.

We'll see where we sit in the first hour, and if it turns out we all really do suck we can always just re-up and wish to Riven, but after what I saw on Wednesdays 2nd Run... we'll be fine. (Sloppiest Crypt run anyone of us has ever seen... that we still somehow beat.)

The core team on Wednesday has run that raid together ~25 times over the past several months, and the muscle memory for that raid in particular is current and ingrained--I'd say that played a huge part in a few of those dramatic saves. (I also wouldn't underestimate the value of having chappy present--the premier cat herder. :)) Again, I'm not trying to discourage you or anyone else in the slightest--it'll be fun.

Wait till you see it*. It was DUMB Luck. Full blown pizza fire.

*presuming I got it, have yet to check.

TL;DR Kerm. I got this, no worries. Shut up ... ;D

Nah.

I am a silly man.

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