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Why loadouts have hurt gaming, for me. (Gaming)

by ManKitten @, The Stugotz is strong in me., Friday, April 26, 2019, 08:31 (2273 days ago)

I’ve been creeping the forum for a while jumping from thread to thread and thinking about Destiny, Halo, Fortnite, Call of Duty and how the landscape of shooter games have changed over the past 20 years. It seems like they aren’t as fun as they used to be. Why is that?

The biggest universal change I could think of was the introduction of custom loadouts.

Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3. During the campaign missions, you were given weapons. You started each mission with a different weapon loadout. If you ran out of ammo, you had to scavenge for weapons from fallen enemies or strategically placed drops. When it came to multi-player, everyone started the game with the same weapons and scramble to find power weapons and other options on the map. Everyone started on an equal level and fought for the best stuff.

Then Call of Duty really started to gather steam and they introduced custom loadouts. At that time it was pretty basic, you could choose from a few options of weapons, but whatever you chose, that was the weapon you got.

Halo Reach did something similar. You could choose a few basic weapons to start with but there was still the mad dash to weapons on the map that kept things constantly fresh.

At the root of these games, the objective was to….wait for it….play the game.

After Halo Reach, the Halo games and CoD games started to gradually expand their loadout options.

Enter Destiny.

We are given so much customization. We can build our own armor sets. Build our own weapon sets. Everyone is unique. Everyone has their own custom loadout. You play the game to unlock more stuff. When you play campaign missions, you can build your character to suit the specific task. When you play multiplayer, you can build your character to highlight your play style and strengths. It’s amazing! Right? Welllll….I dunno.

Destiny 2 comes out and they ramp up the customization. After 2 months, people are burnt out and D2 is nosediving. Over time they make patches, add weapons, add events, add armor. Basically the game becomes a rotating lineup of experiences we’ve already done, just so we can continually improve our loadout. It then gets to a point where even doing this is a pain in the butt because of enhancement cores, light level barriers and other frustrations where I have to sit back and ask myself “what am I playing this for?”

Enter Fortnite.

Fortnite releases and blows up. I jumped in at the end of season 1 and it was a blast. It became my go-to time for next 6 or so months. When I think about what made it so fun, it was that the objective was to….wait for it…play the game. I didn’t have to worry about getting the best weapon, or building and armor set. They literally just drop you in and say “GO”. All of the weapons are on the board and you fought for the best ones. When the game ended, that was it…so let’s do it again!

I actually really liked the reward/progression system in Fortnite. 100 levels of cosmetics that you could unlock as you play. Weekly and daily challenges that were fun and required you to play in a way you wouldn’t normally play. Completing them would help you unlock the 100 levels.

I’ve not played Fortnite in a long time because it’s gotten really silly and stupid speed builders ruin any type of ambush/firefight interaction. But I missed playing a game for the sake of playing the game!

When I look at my tasks in D2, I cringe. Exotic quests that require beating raids. The Thorn quest that requires beating a ridiculously hard strike. Because of the timing, I’ll probably never beat it. At this point everyone who wants it has it, and those who don’t probably aren’t even interested. But even if I try to complete the quest, I would only be doing it to complete the quest. It’s for a hand cannon. I hate hand cannons and would never use it.

Now that Destiny has become the standard that everyone strives for (since every game that comes out is theorized to be a “Destiny Killer”) I shake my head at this trend. It’s almost like video games have become social media. “We’ve got to keep the gamers engaged at all times or else they’ll go somewhere else.” So developers are constantly releasing more “stuff” for us to add to our loadout to keep us playing…instead of making a game where the objective was to…wait for it…play the game.

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Why loadouts have hurt gaming, for me.

by Blackt1g3r @, Login is from an untrusted domain in MN, Friday, April 26, 2019, 08:43 (2273 days ago) @ ManKitten

If you liked Fortnite you should try Apex Legends. Like Fortnite it's a battle royale, except that they polished a lot of the experience and it's not silly like Fortnite. Adding the ability to respawn is a nice addition, though I wish they would add a non-battle royale version with normal respawns as well.

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Also, no building!

by MacAddictXIV @, Seattle WA, Friday, April 26, 2019, 09:29 (2273 days ago) @ Blackt1g3r

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by Claude Errera @, Friday, April 26, 2019, 12:04 (2273 days ago) @ ManKitten

When I look at my tasks in D2, I cringe. Exotic quests that require beating raids. The Thorn quest that requires beating a ridiculously hard strike. Because of the timing, I’ll probably never beat it. At this point everyone who wants it has it, and those who don’t probably aren’t even interested. But even if I try to complete the quest, I would only be doing it to complete the quest. It’s for a hand cannon. I hate hand cannons and would never use it.

This is less to do with your main post argument, and more as a direct response to this paragraph:

I just got Thorn last night. (The last kill of the 'hand cannon or void kills in PvP' quest step popped during an IB game with DBOers.) As soon as it popped, I said "Hey, does anyone have any interest later tonight in running the final Thorn strike? I just got there." One person (Argent) said "I've been at that step for a month, I'd be happy to finish it." (I berated him for not asking earlier, but he said he had other things he was working on, and it didn't come up.) Two other people offered to be the third; one had already finished it, one wasn't even close (so they were just offering because it's a fun strike to run).

We nailed it on the first try - no wipes.

It's the 5th or 6th time I've run that strike; it's the first time I was actually eligible for the gun, but whenever anyone said "hey, I need one more to run this" I was happy to volunteer.

When you get to that step, hit me up. Do NOT think that everyone's already done with it, or that nobody who's done with it would be interested in running it again.

(Of course, I understand the last line of this paragraph, and all of this might be moot... but it's a general statement about needing help on quest steps. Yes, we have a fireteam builder, and yes, lots of people ignore it for stuff like this because they think their need is too small to schedule something... but my experience is that most DBOers are willing to do most activities in Destiny, when asked. It may not have been something they were considering doing when they got on... but it's far more rare for me to hear "nah, I'm not up for that" than "sure, let's do it.")

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by cheapLEY @, Friday, April 26, 2019, 12:24 (2273 days ago) @ Claude Errera

Ditto!

In my experience around here, people are eager to help, even if it’s a step they aren’t up to yet, or something they’ve already done. Stuff like this even more so—I’m always down to do something that feels a little novel.

Every time I mention that I never got Rat King, whoever is in the party with me offers to go through the whole quest with me.

I know that it’s easy to feel like a bother when you need to do something that everyone else did ages ago, but I think you will nearly always find a willing fireteam here.

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by Speedracer513 @, Dallas, Texas, Friday, May 03, 2019, 07:17 (2266 days ago) @ cheapLEY

Every time I mention that I never got Rat King, whoever is in the party with me offers to go through the whole quest with me.

You must have Malagate in your party all the time... :-)

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by CougRon, Auburn, WA, USA, Friday, April 26, 2019, 12:27 (2273 days ago) @ Claude Errera

I need to remember I have this and a couple others.

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by ManKitten @, The Stugotz is strong in me., Friday, April 26, 2019, 12:58 (2273 days ago) @ Claude Errera


(Of course, I understand the last line of this paragraph, and all of this might be moot... but it's a general statement about needing help on quest steps. Yes, we have a fireteam builder, and yes, lots of people ignore it for stuff like this because they think their need is too small to schedule something... but my experience is that most DBOers are willing to do most activities in Destiny, when asked. It may not have been something they were considering doing when they got on... but it's far more rare for me to hear "nah, I'm not up for that" than "sure, let's do it.")

You're right, people have always been willing to jump in to help me clear something out. I do the same thing when I'm able. I think my biggest issue with joining up with people is my play schedule. 8pm is usually when I log on and will get about 1 hour of time in before I have to log off. Eastern time zone people are already partied up and West coast people aren't even online yet.

Most of the FTB events I create don't get filled. When...[thought process interrupted as someone walked into my office. I have now returned 15 minutes later and have no memory of what I was about to type.]

My point is, gaming with others is fun, I don't really care about what the end result is, it's fun to play with friends, so just as others, I'm always down for whatever....except raids, I probably won't always be down for that.

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I'm always in if my schedule agrees.

by MacAddictXIV @, Seattle WA, Monday, April 29, 2019, 06:53 (2270 days ago) @ ManKitten

You're right, people have always been willing to jump in to help me clear something out. I do the same thing when I'm able. I think my biggest issue with joining up with people is my play schedule. 8pm is usually when I log on and will get about 1 hour of time in before I have to log off. Eastern time zone people are already partied up and West coast people aren't even online yet.

Set up FTBs, and lets work things out. I'm home from work by 3 PM west coast so I'm more than able. Most of the time it's about getting on when I'm home with the wife, but I can almost always be on if I say "I'm helping out so so with this" as oppose to "I'm just going to play games". So if you pick a time where I don't already have plans, I'm there to help.

Also, on the Hand Cannon note, I've always despised hand cannons since D1. Until this season. It started with Trust, but move on to the exotic hand cannons of the same type. Now, malfeasance is my favorite hand cannon. I still love Auto rifles more, but at don't despise hand cannons now.

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