[*] If you use a hunter in PvP, you're stupid, too. I currently cannot get my recovery above 2. You can't do crap if you're stuck waiting for 10 seconds to get your health back. Thank you Bungie for making my favorite class, which was already weak as f*&%, the most pointless class in the game.

I've managed to get to 3… and this is what the dodge is for. Plus, the reload on dodge is pretty powerful. Especially with heavies.

I'm sorry to see you go, but I hear you on the issues with PvP. It's a slower, more deliberate, and less-able-to-do-something-cool game than D1. And yes, hunters are brutally underpowered in PvP. I played my warlock in blue gear for a while in IB this week and had a ka/d 1.5 higher than on my hunter who I play almost every day.

For a change of pace, and a really fun pvp experience, might I suggest Fortnite? It's a 100 person free for all on a map about a square mile (or more) in size that continually shrinks to drive players together. I've never had more fun being completely terrible at a game. Also, despite needing to match 100 players, it matches more quickly that Destiny matches 8.

[*] If you use a hunter in PvP, you're stupid, too. I currently cannot get my recovery above 2. You can't do crap if you're stuck waiting for 10 seconds to get your health back. Thank you Bungie for making my favorite class, which was already weak as f*&%, the most pointless class in the game.

I usually sit around Recovery 3 and constantly have to press forward on my attack lest I disengage entirely. PvP as a Hunter is a pain in the ass but I’ve found it to be a very effective platform when paired with decent wesponry, preferably pulse rifles with high RPM and submachine guns. Regularly I’ve carried teams and placed at the top of the match scoreboard, often with a decent K/D to boot. What guns were you running?

Y'all can disagree all you want. Destiny 2 is pile of f*&%ing garbage.

I disagree. So do a lot of others.

It's a shame that this game makes me so viscerally angry that I don't think I can keep playing.

Then for the love of the Traveler, don't think about not playing it. Stop playing! And I don't say that in any kind of mean way. The few times we played together in the past year or two you never seemed particularly happy with Destiny. Certainly the Y3 / D2 shifts left you completely high and dry.

I really thing you should go out and find a game with multiplayer you enjoy. Being viscerally angry at a game is no good for you and no good for us because you will eventually get strong disagreement and eventual resentment if you keep playing and keep complaining about playing. (Not saying you're doing that just talking about where it would lead if you did.)

You don't have to leave us completely behind. I like to think we're a neat community who will appreciate stories of your exploits in other games. Looking back across the boards here we've collectively enjoyed things like Life is Strange, Witcher 3, Titanfall 2, and more. Go out, have fun, then come back and tell us about it. (Just don't pop back in to tell us how much our favorite game sucks. That too will be no fun for anyone..)

And finally, if you do end up drifting away, remember that you were part of the DBO fireteam that very nearly did the impossible, got matched up with the DBO Bungie Bounty team, and won. That was an awesome moment and it was great to have you with us. (Beorn still gripes about you out sniping him :p)

Y'all can disagree all you want. Destiny 2 is pile of f*&%ing garbage. I honestly want my money back. I wish I would have gone with my gut and not gotten it.

D2 PvP is so incredibly bad that I would rather continue to play D1 PvP and we all know that's a steaming pile of poop.

I think I have enjoyed 1 whole evening playing this game since I bought it, and that was more because I was playing with some people who are role models in my profession (I was playing with Facebook engineers who work on React core, for the devs in here who might wonder).

In a short list, here's why I hate D2:

• You took away my favorite guns. Anyone who uses a sniper in PvP is stupid.

Honestly, I don't think they took away enough D1 weapons.

[*] You took away power ammo pretty much entirely. There are nights I never get a purple crate. The amount of times I have been shoulder charged by Titans as I try and get the power ammo is unreal.

I know that everyone has their own experience, but Power Ammo respawns fairly often, and certainly often enough for you to be able to get at least some. I never go for Heavy unless I'm on the enemy's side and I want to deny it from them, or ours is at risk of being stolen, and I end up with at least one instance of Heavy per match.
Sounds like you're playing with Randoms (and worse, Titans), so running into jerks is more common, but the ammo has a timer that you can check periodically. I think you should play with fellow DBOers, since you can coordinate ammo distribution better.

[*] If you use a hunter in PvP, you're stupid, too. I currently cannot get my recovery above 2. You can't do crap if you're stuck waiting for 10 seconds to get your health back. Thank you Bungie for making my favorite class, which was already weak as f*&%, the most pointless class in the game.

Hey, I'm a Warlock, so I know all about tanking damage and re-engaging quickly... But I ran Hunter almost exclusively in this Iron Banner, and I could argue that I died far less because of the higher mobility; I certainly wasn't afraid of any roaming Supers, especially not those shield Titans:

Hunters just have different strengths, and some that the other classes have to live without, so low Recovery isn't a huge trade-off. I think you just need to run a different class for a while to really appreciate the things that you can do as a Hunter, regardless of whether your health comes back instantly or not.

[*] It's harder than ever for me to find someone to play with because the UI is worse and the fireteams are smaller. With no 6v6 option, I'm always playing solo. And solo don't got a f&^%ing chance anymore.

This really sounds like a self-imposed issue, though. I'd hate to use anecdotal evidence from a different console, especially since I don't know what your friends list looks like, so I won't say that it is objectively easy to find people to play with, but I mean, if you insist on playing Crucible, is it really that difficult to send a Fireteam invite to competent teammates? Even if you lose a match, maybe one of your teammates did well, and maybe he's hoping that he didn't have to gamble by playing Solo every match as well.

Send fireteam invites. This shouldn't be thought of as taboo.

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I don't have the kind of time I used to. When I have time to relax, I just want something I can turn on and have a little fun with. D1Y3 was one of the most disappointing times in my short video game life. I should have quit that long ago. D2 is 100x worse.

I think you should take a break from Destiny. I recently hit a moment of discouragement with D2. All three characters are 304, and I had every single weapon and armor piece that I care to have. What did I do? Rather than hopping on and being less than excited, I started a new playthrough of Horizon Zero Dawn, and I totally didn't have a desire to play D2 at all until Iron Banner rolled around.

You don't have to play Destiny!
The game is certainly leagues better than D1 at not making you feel as behind as D1 did at its worst. Play some other games.

Witcher 3 Complete Edition is $20 right now on Xbox. It's a ridiculously good deal, but if you really don't have that kind of time, and want something that you can just hop on and play real quick, Battlefront (with all DLC) is $4.50 right now. It's fun, not that sweaty, and you can probably convince a few friends to grab it at that price.

Again, you don't have to be angry or upset. If Destiny 2 isn't giving you the experience that you want, then don't play it. You can still hop into Party chat with folks if you want, but don't force yourself to do anything that you don't want to do.

I for one will hate to see you go, but I would rather you spend your time on something enjoyable! If it’s not D2, maybe it will be D3. My household has a lot of good memories thanks to you, and just last night Isaac asked if I’d gamed with you recently.

As for a hunter in PVP, you know full well that I ONLY run a hunter. I felt pretty weak until I made some adjustments to both my armor and play style. I boosted my resilience and gave up some mobility/recovery, going in at 4/7/3. In my experience this change alone made the most difference in feeling like I could compete. I’ve almost given up on hand cannons in PVP in favor of a scout/auto rifle combination. I use knucklehead radar and play the mid-range game, bugging out if things get too close. I don’t get the most “defeats”, but I don’t get killed as often either. My k/d is consistently positive and usually the highest on the team. Objectively, this is vastly better than D1, and I actually feel much more capable in D2.

That said, I wholeheartedly agree with your frustration regarding sniper rifles. After hand cannons, they are my favorite weapon, and I very much feel like I never get a chance to use them in PVP. On the rare occasion that I do get purple ammo, I usually do so simply to prevent the other team from picking it up for themselves.

I understand your disappointment, and while I hope you stick it out, I hope even more that you find a gaming outlet that’s enjoyable. If you do, let us know so we can check it out!

[*] You took away my favorite guns. Anyone who uses a sniper in PvP is stupid.
[*] You took away power ammo pretty much entirely. There are nights I never get a purple crate. The amount of times I have been shoulder charged by Titans as I try and get the power ammo is unreal.
[*] If you use a hunter in PvP, you're stupid, too. I currently cannot get my recovery above 2. You can't do crap if you're stuck waiting for 10 seconds to get your health back. Thank you Bungie for making my favorite class, which was already weak as f*&%, the most pointless class in the game.
[*] It's harder than ever for me to find someone to play with because the UI is worse and the fireteams are smaller. With no 6v6 option, I'm always playing solo. And solo don't got a f&^%ing chance anymore.

the fuck are you even talking about?
like I understand missing some guns (Zhalo Supercell will forever be my raifu), I understand solo play being a bit harder given that most people have learned to team-shoot, but the rest is baffling

• snipers are still good
  
• power ammo spawns more frequently and in more places at once than heavy ammo did
  
• Hunters can do quite well-- you know you can run away or hide, right? it's not a fencing competition or something, no one will call you out on it
  
• I don't see what 4v4 has to do with not having someone to play with-- unless you were consistently the 5th or 6th person in the group, in which case the problem is that people don't want to play with you that much

also all of these problems seem to be about PvP, and if that was all you were getting out of Destiny (1 or 2) then you were already missing out

Hi. I'm the PvE guy. I FUCKING LOVE D2 PVP. It may be because I have been so far, over all, been kicking some serious casual ass, or whatever magic Bungie is using to match make, that has made basically all my games neck and neck edge to the seat feats of glee. Whatever. So far I've had a blast. I think the biggest thing as been, so far, I've not gone against try-hards, who make the game more then what it is. I just want to play, win or lose. Whatever. YEEEE-HA!

In a short list, here's why I hate D2:

• You took away my favorite guns. Anyone who uses a sniper in PvP is stupid.

AKA - Change is hard? There are some pretty boss PVP guns out there, that aren't Exotics. Even if it is Mida, go have fun!

[*] You took away power ammo pretty much entirely. There are nights I never get a purple crate. The amount of times I have been shoulder charged by Titans as I try and get the power ammo is unreal.

I have had the opposite problem. I can most of time get the heavy. If someone is by it I leave them be. If no one is, I go for it. If a foe is gong for it, I try and stop them. If someone on my team tries to steal it from me when I got there first?... well fuck that guy. Ass.

[*] If you use a hunter in PvP, you're stupid, too. I currently cannot get my recovery above 2. You can't do crap if you're stuck waiting for 10 seconds to get your health back. Thank you Bungie for making my favorite class, which was already weak as f*&%, the most pointless class in the game.

My Hunter is flat out My PvP Main. Have you read my Not a Review Beta Post? I almost feel like I've seen this before.

[*] It's harder than ever for me to find someone to play with because the UI is worse and the fireteams are smaller. With no 6v6 option, I'm always playing solo. And solo don't got a f&^%ing chance anymore.
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I play exclusively solo (not that I wouldn't mind some DBO Backup), and as mentioned most my games have been par after par. It's been blast.

All in all - DON'T PLAY DESTINY 2 LIKE DESTINY 1! That's in whole by the way. PVE & PVP.

To that's the 2¢ I have to give, Good Luck.

Edit: Added gfycat (.mp4) Links and embedded images. I've been collecting this stuff for... something. You may see it again in some form.

I know you were lukewarm about D2 before release, but I was hopeful you'd find something to like.

I'm sorry that you didn't because we'll miss playing with you. Stick around and stay in touch.

I've never really quit anything in my life. Too stubborn. I'll be on tonight, trying to figure out how to have fun playing D2. Please halp!

In terms of fun, anyway. Couldn't care less about story.