
Exactly. Except the opposite. (Off-Topic)
Rogue One is what good fan fiction should be. A story about bit players and how they did something important in the universe.
TFA is bad fan fiction. It is "look at this awesome new character who is a hot girl and also has mysterious control over her force powers with zero education, even more than Luke. Btw she is also a slave on a desert planet and steals the Millennium Falcon! Then Han Solo shows up! Then she gets captured by Darth Vader's grandson after using Vader's old lightsaber. He brings her to a death star, except it isn't a death star, it's bigger and more scary, but then they explode it by doing a trench run that is bigger and more scary than in Star Wars. THEN there is a final climactic scene between surprise force power hot girl using Vader's old lightsaber vs Vader's grandson using an ultra powerful super lightsaber with 3 blades. Then she goes to find Yoda on an uncharted planet. I mean Luke. She goes to find him on an uncharted planet so they can be BFFs. End of part 1."
It is just typical of bad fan fiction. I thought it was a decent movie, but it didn't do anything new. It was just inserting characters into the same story, where everything was +1 bigger and scarier with a new chosen one who is +1 better looking and more skilled than the last one.
That's sort of like saying FF has to be bad, so it should stay away from major characters and themes to avoid infecting them with their badness.
I'm not saying that I disagree with that thesis, necessarily, but it did look weird to see RO labeled as "good FF" and TFA as "bad FF" when I found RO ponderous, lifeless and boring, and TFA, although more than a smidgen of it was slavish fanservice, was entertaining and enjoyable, for the most part.
Complete thread:
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi Trailer -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-14, 17:31
- So I'm not the only one who disliked Rogue One! -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-04-14, 17:43
- So I'm not the only one who disliked Rogue One! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-04-14, 18:21
- So I'm not the only one who disliked Rogue One! -
Kahzgul,
2017-04-14, 18:39
- Nope, not at all -
narcogen,
2017-04-15, 02:07
- Nope, not at all -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-15, 12:25
- Nope, not at all - narcogen, 2017-04-17, 00:09
- Nope, not at all - Cody Miller, 2017-04-15, 13:22
- Nope, not at all -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-15, 12:25
- Nope, not at all -
narcogen,
2017-04-15, 02:07
- Rogue One: good fan fiction. TFA: bad fan fiction.
- Funkmon, 2017-04-15, 02:04
- Exactly. Except the opposite.
- narcogen, 2017-04-15, 02:06
- Exactly. Except the opposite. -
Funkmon,
2017-04-17, 14:21
- +10 - Korny, 2017-04-17, 14:31
- Exactly. Except the opposite. -
narcogen,
2017-04-18, 00:23
- Exactly. Except the opposite. -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-18, 11:52
- Exactly. Except the opposite. -
narcogen,
2017-04-19, 05:14
- Yeah but still - Funkmon, 2017-04-19, 12:38
- Exactly. Except the opposite. -
narcogen,
2017-04-19, 05:14
- Exactly. Except the opposite. -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-18, 11:52
- Exactly. Except the opposite. -
Funkmon,
2017-04-17, 14:21
- Exactly. Except the opposite.
- So I'm not the only one who disliked Rogue One! -
Kahzgul,
2017-04-14, 18:39
- So I'm not the only one who disliked Rogue One! -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-14, 22:32
- Star Wars is like an iceberg -
narcogen,
2017-04-15, 02:11
- Star Wars is like an iceberg - Cody Miller, 2017-04-15, 13:26
- Star Wars is like an iceberg - Kuga, 2017-04-17, 13:18
- Adore this post. -
Kermit,
2017-04-17, 13:52
- Adore this post. -
Avateur,
2017-04-18, 01:57
- Adore this post. -
Cody Miller,
2017-04-18, 02:35
- Adore this post. -
Avateur,
2017-04-18, 02:55
- Adore this post. -
Harmanimus,
2017-04-18, 14:33
- Adore this post. -
Korny,
2017-04-18, 15:39
- Adore this post. -
Cody Miller,
2017-04-18, 17:36
- Adore this post. - Harmanimus, 2017-04-18, 18:14
- Adore this post. -
Cody Miller,
2017-04-18, 17:36
- Adore this post. - Avateur, 2017-04-19, 01:08
- Adore this post. -
Korny,
2017-04-18, 15:39
- Adore this post. -
Kermit,
2017-04-18, 17:24
- Thank you. -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-18, 18:33
- Thank you. - Avateur, 2017-04-19, 01:09
- Adore this post. -
Avateur,
2017-04-19, 01:03
- Adore this post. -
Kermit,
2017-04-19, 02:38
- Adore this post. -
Avateur,
2017-04-19, 03:02
- Adore this post. -
Kermit,
2017-04-19, 03:13
- Adore this post. -
kidtsunami,
2017-04-19, 13:36
- Adore this post. -
Kermit,
2017-04-19, 13:53
- +1
- kidtsunami, 2017-04-19, 13:58
- +1
- Adore this post. -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-19, 14:07
- I don't believe in no-win scenarios. *Takes bite of apple*
- Ragashingo, 2017-04-19, 14:15
- exxxxxxactly
- kidtsunami, 2017-04-19, 14:20
- I don't believe in no-win scenarios. *Takes bite of apple*
- Adore this post. -
Kermit,
2017-04-19, 13:53
- Adore this post. -
kidtsunami,
2017-04-19, 13:36
- Adore this post. -
Kermit,
2017-04-19, 03:13
- Adore this post. -
Avateur,
2017-04-19, 03:02
- Adore this post. -
Kermit,
2017-04-19, 02:38
- Thank you. -
cheapLEY,
2017-04-18, 18:33
- Adore this post. -
Harmanimus,
2017-04-18, 14:33
- Adore this post. -
Avateur,
2017-04-18, 02:55
- Agreed. -
Ragashingo,
2017-04-18, 12:29
- Unfortunately we're in the era of "mature" shows -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-04-18, 12:43
- Unfortunately we're in the era of "mature" shows -
Harmanimus,
2017-04-18, 14:44
- +1 - ZackDark, 2017-04-19, 15:54
- Unfortunately we're in the era of "mature" shows -
Harmanimus,
2017-04-18, 14:44
- Unfortunately we're in the era of "mature" shows -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-04-18, 12:43
- Adore this post. -
Cody Miller,
2017-04-18, 02:35
- Adore this post. -
Avateur,
2017-04-18, 01:57
- I call it the Silmarillion problem. - Funkmon, 2017-04-17, 14:12
- Star Wars is like an iceberg -
narcogen,
2017-04-15, 02:11
- So I'm not the only one who disliked Rogue One! - Cody Miller, 2017-04-15, 14:20
- So I'm not the only one who disliked Rogue One! -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-04-14, 18:21
- Star Wars: The Last Jedi Trailer - Kahzgul, 2017-04-14, 18:40
- Meh -
Schedonnardus,
2017-04-14, 23:03
- Same. -
Funkmon,
2017-04-15, 02:02
- Red and White (and Black) -
Kahzgul,
2017-04-15, 05:31
- MacAddict Magazine -
Beorn,
2017-04-18, 15:53
- I owned / own those.
- Ragashingo, 2017-04-18, 16:14
- ditto
- Kermit, 2017-04-18, 17:25
- ditto
- I remember when that magazine was good
- Blackt1g3r, 2017-04-18, 17:47
- Cool! They named a magazine after me!
- MacAddictXIV, 2017-04-19, 16:59
- I owned / own those.
- Red and White (and Black) - Korny, 2017-04-18, 16:10
- MacAddict Magazine -
Beorn,
2017-04-18, 15:53
- Red and White (and Black) -
Kahzgul,
2017-04-15, 05:31
- Same. -
Funkmon,
2017-04-15, 02:02
- Am I a bad person if I say that ... -
Kermit,
2017-04-17, 13:07
- Nope. Same here! - breitzen, 2017-04-17, 13:15
- Yes - ZackDark, 2017-04-19, 16:01
- So I'm not the only one who disliked Rogue One! -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-04-14, 17:43