Private fireteam builder events, eh?

I guess that's useful, and I'm not saying I'll never use it, but it also makes me a little sad. I liked how FTB naturally discouraged exclusivity.

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Keeps the spoilz private! ;-)

I guess that's useful, and I'm not saying I'll never use it, but it also makes me a little sad. I liked how FTB naturally discouraged exclusivity.

I kind of agree. The devil's advocate in me want to say that the party leader could just organize it w/o the FTB & it's essentially the same thing, except invited DBOers wouldn't have the private event on the sidebar to remind them about it. The only potentially bad thing I can envision is if it encourages a culture shift here on DBO, but I don't see that happening, especially since it'd be private & I wouldn't know about it! ;-P :)

The only time I'd use the feature is if I had previously talked about doing an event w/ someone (IRL or on the forum). I would make a private event, send them the link, and then open it up after they've signed up.

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Keeps the spoilz private! ;-)

I guess that's useful, and I'm not saying I'll never use it, but it also makes me a little sad. I liked how FTB naturally discouraged exclusivity.

I kind of agree. The devil's advocate in me want to say that the party leader could just organize it w/o the FTB & it's essentially the same thing, except invited DBOers wouldn't have the private event on the sidebar to remind them about it. The only potentially bad thing I can envision is if it encourages a culture shift here on DBO, but I don't see that happening, especially since it'd be private & I wouldn't know about it! ;-P :)

Yeah, that's part of it. Maybe I'm a masochist who likes seeing those full parties of people I'd like to play with but missed out on the extra-DBO planning. :) (Honestly, it does interest me to see what people are up to. Maybe I'm just nosey.)

The only time I'd use the feature is if I had previously talked about doing an event w/ someone (IRL or on the forum). I would make a private event, send them the link, and then open it up after they've signed up.

Yeah, I'll probably do that, too. I don't think there's anyone here that I would mind playing with (and I like to assume that's true even if it isn't). You can't stop people from preferring to play with the people they're closest to. Bigarm is one of my best friends, and it's been a joy finally being able to regularly play a game with her after years of being on different platforms. The PS4 Deeply Flawed crew have been my most regular group ever (at least since the heyday of Halo Co-op Nights I ran), but I've viewed that as partly a function of most PS4 players here having later schedules than me. I still like to have a slot or two open for newcomers. I'm a fan of mixing it up. The vast majority of my local real-life friends aren't gamers, and open community events on bungie.org have brought me some great friendships. I come from a place of not having people to game with, but if my history were different, I might have a different take.

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The only time I'd use the feature is if I had previously talked about doing an event w/ someone (IRL or on the forum). I would make a private event, send them the link, and then open it up after they've signed up.

Well, if this were really your only need for it, you don't need it - because as the creator of the event, you can sign up your IRL friend when you create the event (and delete them if they change their mind).

(I know, I'm not helping. ;) )

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I'm not sure, but it's possible I've NEVER made an actual FTB event. (Or maybe I've made one.)

I know it's possible because I've seen Chappy create events I've wanted to join, but he'd already included a full 6-person team at event creation. :) (AND YOU WERE ON IT DAMMIT)

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I'm not sure, but it's possible I've NEVER made an actual FTB event. (Or maybe I've made one.)

I have gotten a vibe from some long-timers (not you) that the fireteam builder is beneath them.

As I stated in the other post, it feels natural for me because my co-op buddies have almost always been self-chosen volunteers from this community.

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I'm not sure, but it's possible I've NEVER made an actual FTB event. (Or maybe I've made one.)

I have gotten a vibe from some long-timers (not you) that the fireteam builder is beneath them.

It's definitely not beneath me. I use it regularly. I love that it exists. I just don't MAKE events, because my time's not predictable enough. :)

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I'm not sure, but it's possible I've NEVER made an actual FTB event. (Or maybe I've made one.)

I have gotten a vibe from Korny that the fireteam builder is beneath them.

It's definitely not beneath me. I use it regularly. I love that it exists. I just don't MAKE events, because my time's not predictable enough. :)

Fixed that for you ;)

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The only time I'd use the feature is if I had previously talked about doing an event w/ someone (IRL or on the forum). I would make a private event, send them the link, and then open it up after they've signed up.

Well, if this were really your only need for it, you don't need it - because as the creator of the event, you can sign up your IRL friend when you create the event (and delete them if they change their mind).

(I know, I'm not helping. ;) )

Yeah, but then you're in control of making all changes for them, like if they need to move to tentative status, or have a comment to make, etc.. :) Private events have their merits! :)

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The only time I'd use the feature is if I had previously talked about doing an event w/ someone (IRL or on the forum). I would make a private event, send them the link, and then open it up after they've signed up.

Well, if this were really your only need for it, you don't need it - because as the creator of the event, you can sign up your IRL friend when you create the event (and delete them if they change their mind).

(I know, I'm not helping. ;) )

That's been going on awhile. I stopped bothering to use or check the FTB when the majority of events at times I could play were created from scratch, with 6/6 players, all names submitted by the event creator.

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That's been going on awhile. I stopped bothering to use or check the FTB when the majority of events at times I could play were created from scratch, with 6/6 players, all names submitted by the event creator.

Hopefully that means that the FTB listings from here on out will be more useful to you!

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That's been going on awhile. I stopped bothering to use or check the FTB when the majority of events at times I could play were created from scratch, with 6/6 players, all names submitted by the event creator.

Hopefully that means that the FTB listings from here on out will be more useful to you!

Sorry if that came across as a complaint about the system. The system is superb in just about every way.

If people are going to use the system the way I described (Claude also mentioned it elsewhere in the thread) then those uses might as well be private, and you're right, that would increase the S/N ratio by removing entries that aren't of use to those who aren't already signed up for them.

My problem wasn't that the listings were bad because they were noisy, though-- it's just that because of my time zone, especially during the week, there is a narrow window in which I could commit to being able to both start and finish a King's Fall raid, and for whatever reason, at some point all the events within that window were of this type. I stopped checking not because the system was bad in any way, but just because of the coincidental use by certain people at certain times that meant that rather than there being a first-come first-served event at a time I could play, there was a predetermined team playing at that time.

Of course, this is not a problem the system can solve, it's an unrelated issue. If you didn't offer private events, or let event organizers submit player names themselves, then people would just use some other system and not the FTB at all.

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I guess that's useful, and I'm not saying I'll never use it, but it also makes me a little sad. I liked how FTB naturally discouraged exclusivity

I had the idea to make private FTB events and they were never intended to encourage excluding people (Beorn of course programmed the feature though, because he's the man). Their real intention is that sometimes you want to schedule an event with specific people, a lot of us do it already, and it's a nice feature to be able to keep track of time and people signed up. I seriously doubt that we'll see a drop in FTB events since public ones serve an entirely different purpose: FINDING people to play with. If it becomes an issue though, I'll talk it over with Beorn and changes can be made (yes, I'm making promises for someone else :).

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I guess that's useful, and I'm not saying I'll never use it, but it also makes me a little sad. I liked how FTB naturally discouraged exclusivity

I had the idea to make private FTB events and they were never intended to encourage excluding people (Beorn of course programmed the feature though, because he's the man). Their real intention is that sometimes you want to schedule an event with specific people, a lot of us do it already, and it's a nice feature to be able to keep track of time and people signed up. I seriously doubt that we'll see a drop in FTB events since public ones serve an entirely different purpose: FINDING people to play with. If it becomes an issue though, I'll talk it over with Beorn and changes can be made (yes, I'm making promises for someone else :).

You're one of the first people I think of when I think of people I'd like to play with, but never see any trace of you playing. (I'm one to talk--I show up as offline a lot.)

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You're one of the first people I think of when I think of people I'd like to play with, but never see any trace of you playing. (I'm one to talk--I show up as offline a lot.)

Yeah, I show as offline most of the time I'm online because I very much enjoy just wandering in Destiny aimlessly, and often while watching or listening to something (I did a lot of this in Halo as well, but it wasn't nearly as social of a game!). I'd love to play with you sometime too, but yeah, I don't see you online either! ;)

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I show up as offline always.)

FTFY ;)

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Oi... I hear you... and I was kind of conflicted about putting the feature in at all, but in the end I decided that the utility of it was the important element. Please believe me, though, that "exclusivity" was not one of the design concepts here.

The main motivator was that sometimes I set up events out-of-channel (text messages, or even during another event), and if we have a full roster already, there's no need to look for other players. It's nice to have the event listed on the FTB, though, so that you can see all of your events at at glance (and have those nice green boxes for the ones you're signed up for). If we set up a normal event, though, and someone forgets to RSVP right away (or if they don't have Internet access for a while), then there's a potentially awkward situation where someone else may sign up for that last spot, only to be told, "Sorry, that spot was already taken!" And that doesn't feel good for anyone involved.

With a private event, however, the creator can just send the link around and folks can sign-up at their leisure. Easy peasy. And if you're just blocking out time for yourself, you can make a private event that only you can see, and keep it as a reminder on the FTB.

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I like having all of my Destiny events scheduled on the FTB -- it's a consistent location for me to keep track of events and I like seeing the green boxes as reminders about the events I'm signed-up for.

With that in mind, what if you RSVP'd me for an event because we set it up last time we were playing together? That event doesn't show up on my calendar unless I remember to go in and add my own RSVP, and then you'd have to delete the RSVP you made for me. It's a messy, inconsistent, and potentially confusing user experience. I'm not particularly proud of it, and the only reason it hasn't been fixed yet is that for 90% of the time, it still "just works."

The way to fix this immediately is to match RSVPs based on forum display name rather than forum account ID number, but then if someone uses a different forum name than their Gamertag/PSN ID, then things get really out of sync.

What I need to do (and this is a while away due to real-life time constraints) is to make it so that everyone is able to link their Bungie.net ID to their DBO profile. That will allow folks to pull in their Gamertags/PSN IDs. And then when you RSVP for me, you'd be able to attach the RSVP to my Bungie.net profile and everything would sync-up smoothly. It's not a simple change, but it's where I want to go with this.

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I'm just jealous that I don't get to play with you guys very much. :)

This is a good thing for me, too, and will solve some problems I've had trying to making plans with friends using FTB, but I'm conflicted because I've got a soft spot for open community events. It pains me when I hear that people don't want to play with certain other people. That's real, maybe justified some of the time, but I tried to make everyone feel welcome to join Co-op Nights, for example. Offering that hospitality was part of its mission.

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For whatever it's worth, I totally understand your concerns.

In the past, I have found Bungie.org (first at HBO, and now here at DBO) to be a very welcoming place to newbies, but there is still a very real sense of there being a "cool kids club" sometimes. That's not necessarily a negative thing--that's how it's always going to be when you have a community that's been around for as long as this one has. I posted decently frequently at HBO from about the launch of Halo 2 onward, but it's only within about the last year or so that I've felt truly like a real member of the community and feel like people around here "know" me, and I'm not just another random voice in the crowd.

I definitely see the use case for this though. I don't really see it becoming a problem. I think the primary use for the FTB will always be finding folks to form a party. I certainly hope so! I'm with you, in that I love playing with new people. I've played with more B.org folks because of FTB than I did throughout all of Halo. The HBO Clans were very cool (HBO Forerunners for life!), but because of them I only played with the same 12 or 15 people, a tiny subset of the entire community. FTB has been great for mixing that up.

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The biggest problem is how complex Kings Fall was. Nobody signed up 7 people for Crota because it took 30 minutes if you did terribly. In King's Fall the precision required was (is) so great that people became afraid to raid with different people. Having a group of people who aren't used to playing with each other would make tasks take two or three times as long.

That and challenge mode actually made doing the entire raid seem pointless. Which was pretty much the downfall of the raid, imo.

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The biggest problem is how complex Kings Fall was. Nobody signed up 7 people for Crota because it took 30 minutes if you did terribly. In King's Fall the precision required was (is) so great that people became afraid to raid with different people.

I think you may like the new raid, then, if the trend I saw in the early going repeats later on.

No, that's not a spoiler.

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It's looking hopeful so far. Hopefully by Tuesday everyone has it figured out so completing it won't be a big deal.

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