If we don't get another expansion, what makes you so certain that it'll be because of these events? Maybe Bungie decided that it'd be smarter to have everyone focusing on Destiny 2, with a smaller team working on stuff like this so we have a few new diversions?

All I said was I wanted meatier content. Cody pointed out that the priorities appeared to not be in that direction. I agreed with him. I never claimed to be 99.999% (or any %) sure of anything one way or the other. I've called it temporary, meangingless throw-away filler. I also never claimed that these particular events would slow anything down. Ragashingo made it about that. Again, what I did say is that I see an issue with this type of content, especially since it's temporary, and would prefer something meatier.

I'm am 100% sure they're working on new substantial content in one form or another. His point was that these events aren't the cause of us possibility not getting HoW sized DLC. For anyone to say so is asinine, unless that person works at Bungie and knows the plan.

I think the key here is the "in one form of another" that you mentioned. I don't believe that "one form or another" has anything to do with Destiny (this game). You may be right in that Bungie may have decided to pull all the things to work on a big blowout awesomeness that will be Destiny 2. In the same way that I do not view Halo 3 as the same game as Halo 2, I do not view a potential Destiny 2 as the same thing as Destiny. If this year two is to be filled with nothing more than events and temporary substitute content instead of continued story/beefy expansions, I find that unfortunate. All signs appear to be pointing in that direction. I could be wrong on that. I've never claimed to have a high amount of certainty or percentage that I would be right on this fact. Gut feeling says I will be, but I'd love to be wrong prior to Destiny 2.

My original post was about wanting meatier content. Your entire reply was about how you doubted stuff like this slows the next expansion, and that you were nearly perfectly sure about what's being worked on. You're undermining your own premise with the "no one knows" when you were just 99.999% certain. You sure changed that tune quickly! Oh, I'm Pot (aka idiot), btw. Nice to meet you.

I said: "It is 99.999% certain they are working on new story content and it isn't ready yet."

Do you believe that The Taken King was the last of Destiny's story content ever?
Do you believe that Bungie has finished new story content but for some reason isn't releasing it?
If so, then you have a point. If not...

Now, once again I'll request that you please stop. That you please leave me alone. That you please go bother someone else. I feel you are both twisting my words and meanings and being unkind for no good reason and I want nothing more to do with it or you.

The entire point being made by one side participating in that thread is that none of us really know Bungie's future plans. You certainly don't. So your "I told you so" is the second stupidest, most petty thing I've seen posted this week. Please never reply to me again.

My original post was about wanting meatier content. Your entire reply was about how you doubted stuff like this slows the next expansion, and that you were nearly perfectly sure about what's being worked on. You're undermining your own premise with the "no one knows" when you were just 99.999% certain. You sure changed that tune quickly! Oh, I'm Pot (aka idiot), btw. Nice to meet you.

If we don't get another expansion, what makes you so certain that it'll be because of these events? Maybe Bungie decided that it'd be smarter to have everyone focusing on Destiny 2, with a smaller team working on stuff like this so we have a few new diversions?

I'm am 100% sure they're working on new substantial content in one form or another. His point was that these events aren't the cause of us possibility not getting HoW sized DLC. For anyone to say so is asinine, unless that person works at Bungie and knows the plan.

The entire point being made by one side participating in that thread is that none of us really know Bungie's future plans. You certainly don't. So your "I told you so" is the second stupidest, most petty thing I've seen posted this week. Please never reply to me again.

My original post was about wanting meatier content. Your entire reply was about how you doubted stuff like this slows the next expansion, and that you were nearly perfectly sure about what's being worked on. You're undermining your own premise with the "no one knows" when you were just 99.999% certain. You sure changed that tune quickly! Oh, I'm Pot (aka idiot), btw. Nice to meet you.

Ok... Who is against you and Cody on that point? Players? No. We all want new story content. Bungie? No. It is 99.999% certain they are working on new story content and it isn't ready yet. Really, what I think it comes down to is whether or not you really believe there are multiple teams at Bungie able to work on different pieces of content concurrently or not. How much did the Festival of the Lost really slow the next paid expansion? How much did the upcoming balance tweaks really slow the next expansion? How much has the Sparrow Racing League really slowed the next expansion?

Probably not enough to be down on the release of free events and updates...

Yeah... you know that thread going on now about how these little meaningless throw-away events would be the thing, and DLC packs and such wouldn't be? How's that 99.999% looking?

Yeah, this is basically an "I told you so" post.

I could have just typed the number.

This kind of thing almost makes we want to see a Halo 2-style perspective switch with Destiny 2, where we'd get to see the way the Cabal or Fallen react to the Guardians. From their perspective, the Guardians must be quite horrific. Imagine facing a foe that is virtually un-killable, armed to the teeth, spewing god-like magic powers, and most of all seems to be having a blast the entire time. Laughing, dancing & taunting, doing sparrow flips, celebrating over loot... we're monsters! lol

I: Records, Materials, and Attributions Pursuant To Analysis

Sand Eater II Cohort/Century 1/Maniple 8
2 Squad [LINE INF]
TASK:
- sweep urban area grid 071x145 to screen BL I/3/3/5 intelligence op
OUTCOME:
- unit ambushed by solitary Guardian. no survivors

Sand Eater II Cohort/Century 1/Maniple 8
3 Squad [TAC INF]
TASK:
- reinforce II/1/8/2 in disarray grid 071x145
OUTCOME:
- unit engaged by Guardian and Vex units. no survivors.

Dust Giant IV Cohort/Century 4/Maniple 1
4 Squad [AIRMOBILE]
TASK:
- secure grid 071x145, destroy guardian target
OUTCOME:
- target Guardian temporarily destroyed. target re-engaged with Guardian reinforcements. no friendly survivors.

Dust Giant IV Cohort/Century 4/Maniple 1
Harvester Dropship [TAC AIR]
TASK:
- support IV/4/1/4 operations in 071x145
OUTCOME:
- dropship shot down. crew reported Guardians operating elaborate totem rocket weapons.

Blind Legion I Cohort/Century 3/Maniple 3
5 Squad [HEAVY INF]
TASK:
- defend Psion intelligence ops 071x146
OUTCOME:
- overwhelmed by Guardian fireteam/Vex pressure. few survivors. survivors reported Guardians foraging for equipment, dancing, and performing acrobatics with light vehicles.

II: Analysis

This is an archetypical engagement. It represents many hundreds of failed operations.

Guardian activity in the Freehold AO has exploded across recent campaign seasons. Tactical attrition exceeds both frictional projections and our ability to regenerate losses. New tactics are necessary.

The primary threat is the Guardians’ individual counter-attrition capability.

Guardians can be rebuilt after even total disintegrative trauma. This capability is provided by a small autonomous drone unit called a Dead Person [trans. unclear]. The Dead Person conceals itself during combat. It is not a viable target for direct fire. Saturation attack by artillery/heavy air/orbital fire may have good effect (although Guardians transmat frequently and refuse to assemble into large formations).

Solitary Dead Persons have been observed in all areas of operation. The relationship between solitary and paired Dead Persons remains unclear.

Psion analysis indicates that specific areas are inimicable to Guardian counter-attritional reconstruction. Phobos Command has initiated an orbital survey. BL I/2 will attack the Vex gate artifact in Meridian Bay to secure possible related intelligence.

Flayer analysis suggests that the Hive have developed unconventional counter-Dead Person capability. The capture of Hive leadership might yield vital strategic intelligence, including weapons or tactics capable of defeating Guardians permanently.

We advance that the Hive fleet group near Saturn presents a strong target.

For the Primus,
Our highest duty done,
Unflinchingly loyal,
Skyburner V/A/SI

The only thing that I wanted out of Destiny's events that I've yet to see is permanence; none of the events have had any long-lasting effect on the game world. Is the Sparrow League the first step towards rebuilding the Golden Age? Is it the first stage of a panem et circences decline?
Who knows? I hope it gets a bit of story expansion down the road, but I'm more than happy to enjoy it for what it is now, which is a fun new way to enjoy the Destiny Universe.

There's something about building our in-game actions and behaviour into Destiny's canon that really amuses me. My favorite grimoire card is the one written from the Cabal's perspective, where they're talking about the Guardians being this perplexing group of wreckles maniacs who obsessively hoard equipment and stop mid-combat to dance with each other. The SRL plays into this idea perfectly. What must the Vex or Fallen be thinking as we enter enemy territory to race our sparrows? We don't even stop to shoot back as they try to murder us :)

- One of my older arguments against Playstation exclusives is: I don't like paying the same amount of money as a Playstation player but getting less content. Something like the Undying Mind strike is a good example. Sure, I have it now, but why did my $60 not get it for a year when the Playstation user's $60 did? That sort of thing. It'd be interesting if Bungie has found a way around some sort of "There must be x amount of Playstation exclusives per year" clause by attaching the exclusive content to free events and releases. That way, we'd all get the same amount of content when we spend money.

You aren't getting less. You're getting delayed access. That should make you feel better =]

Edit: OR, you could think of it as Xbox getting the base game, and PS4 getting a years worth of early access. =]

On a serious note, to date, most exclusive gear hasn't been that great. The maps were/are pretty bad (Exodus Blue anyone?), the weapons aren't much to shake a stick at, but they are cool. Hawkmoon was nice on PS for awhile, now it sucks for everyone. I would agree with your statements that having paid the same, youre getting "less". Which is not right (Primarily a PS4 player here).

On the flip side, its nice to have the exclusives/early access for a change, after years of Xbox having them. Take that Xbox!

I really don't want to be a downer, and I'm sure sparrow racing will be a nice fun event.

If this is what the microtransactions are funding I'm definitely for it. I love the idea of this.

However I think the game needs more permanent content, and things like custom games more than it needs this. Obviously a lot of effort went into this, but really it's just a mini-game… I get that the teams are separate and all, but there really could be more of a core effort to improve the core of the game.

I'm not sure if events like this will be enough to keep me satisfied. I still have 2 characters to take through the major quests of TTK, and I still have some side quests to finish off with my Titan, so I have plenty of content to still consume, but I really really would like a new expansion at the end of 1st quarter next year.

Also after three weeks does it go away forever? Or just the event?
Still, I will probably see you all out there on the track.

I expect it'll be a quarterly event (with it being a whole 3 weeks long and all).

See ya tarmac side!

Well, the event included instructions to make some real life masks, so there's that. :)

I made one, but it crumpled into a wad of paper after two weeks . . .

It's a bit unclear. They definitely said this is a three week event. But they also very clearly said the popularity and feedback they get will determine if the Sparrow Racing League is something that gets continued development time. I'd guess this first event is a trial run and the plan is for Sparrow racing to go away for a bit then to bring it back with improvements based on feedback or to scrap it if the feedback is intensely negative.

Events like this are something that I really wanted, but not the way I wanted them... But that's not a bad thing...

I wanted limited-time events that employ new mechanics or missions, with exclusive rewards (even cosmetic), that would be something that folks would be able to talk about and reminisce down the road. The first Queen's Wrath was much like this, with modifier-based story missions, exclusive gear and weapons (I still have my Supremacy), and it was a one-time thing.

In other games with similar events, the unique mechanics might show up again much further down the road, presenting players another opportunity at unique rewards, or they get expanded upon and become permanent additions.

The only thing that I wanted out of Destiny's events that I've yet to see is permanence; none of the events have had any long-lasting effect on the game world. Is the Sparrow League the first step towards rebuilding the Golden Age? Is it the first stage of a panem et circences decline?
Who knows? I hope it gets a bit of story expansion down the road, but I'm more than happy to enjoy it for what it is now, which is a fun new way to enjoy the Destiny Universe.

I never should've started down this rabbit hole... :-/

Ahh, the classic two-replies-in-to-an-Avateur-thread regret. Seen it a hundred times.

You're right; I DON'T know your personality, I never should've started down this rabbit hole... :-/