Of course, someone in the thread suggested something brilliant: on hard mode you can revive someone if your super meter is full, and doing so will drain it.

I’ve always felt that the Sunsinger “Fireborn” perk should allow you to infuse your light into someone’s Ghost and force an instant revive at the cost of draining your super out. And it’d be usable even when revives weren’t normally available, such as in standard PvP. I think that’d be an interesting adjustment.

I've wanted this since last fall. Similar to the Siren in Borderlands. Perhaps it could be an exotic perk.

Here's a twist: Stormcallers have a perk that extends the length of their super if their grenades and melee are full. What if the revive perk only worked if you had full super, grenades and melee, and it drained all three? You could revive a teammate, but at the cost of ALL your abilities. Of course, if that teammate was a sunbreaker, that would be a no-brainer.

Also, Sunbreakers have an exclusive license to the word “abuse,” for the moment, so we can’t use it.

Preach! Lol

I really like your idea, too :)

Would it be available on the revive timer cooldown? That could be abused in trials of osiris :-)

Yeah, why not? You only get one revive and you sacrifice your own super (and self-res) in the process. If you think reviving your teammate before the timer is up is worth the cost of admission, then I say go for it.

“Abuse” seems like too strong of a word considering you get at most one a game.

Also, Sunbreakers have an exclusive license to the word “abuse,” for the moment, so we can’t use it.

Of course, someone in the thread suggested something brilliant: on hard mode you can revive someone if your super meter is full, and doing so will drain it.

I’ve always felt that the Sunsinger “Fireborn” perk should allow you to infuse your light into someone’s Ghost and force an instant revive at the cost of draining your super out. And it’d be usable even when revives weren’t normally available, such as in standard PvP. I think that’d be an interesting adjustment.

Would it be available on the revive timer cooldown? That could be abused in trials of osiris :-)

Of course, someone in the thread suggested something brilliant: on hard mode you can revive someone if your super meter is full, and doing so will drain it.

I’ve always felt that the Sunsinger “Fireborn” perk should allow you to infuse your light into someone’s Ghost and force an instant revive at the cost of draining your super out. And it’d be usable even when revives weren’t normally available, such as in standard PvP. I think that’d be an interesting adjustment.

However, I do agree with CruelLEGACEY's statement regarding the bridge. The design is great. It is (was) challenging, but if someone went down (or the whole team for that matter) you could pull it off if you had the skill/knowledge. The oryx fight is probably the one place where losing someone is a big thorn in your side. During my last HM Oryx, if someone died before the first rotation ended, it was a wipe. There was no "Let's see if we can do it?" because it is already complex enough with 6 people knowing what they are doing. For me that is half the fun. Everyone has to be on point the entire match. And if you suck at a certain thing, it is going to force you to get better at it, if you want to complete it. For me, The hard mode is right where it needs to be. I need to be challenged, otherwise I will be in that post House of Wolves lull that we all felt because there wasn't much to work towards.

TL:DR The Hard Mode feels great for me. It can be a headache if someone messed up, but that forces everyone to be better. No one wants to hear "Well we were doing good, until you missed the platform". Between the sisters and Oryx fight, you are forced to improve. How many bad jumpers here can honestly say that doing the Raid hasn't helped their jumping? Probably very few. (not HM related, but still).

I think it's much more rewarding, and even more challenging in some ways, to be able to recover from someone getting killed. Someone has to pick up the slack until the revive can happen which causes a scramble.

This and other comments in this thread have given me an idea for a boss mechanic. The boss will randomly choose someone to be put in stasis, the only way to pull that individual out of stasis is by using a super in a certain location. The boss will put someone in stasis based upon a timer and/or their health level. This could make generating orbs important in that if you don't generate orbs & use supers you will eventually all end up in stasis.

Sounds like fun to me. It would make orb generating gear/perks/skills all the more important.

In fact, I think I'd rather have seen 1 more boss fight and had the taken king raid split into two raids, or at least give you different routes to skip things. Because it's just so darn long.

This isn't directed at anyone here in particular, but in regards the Destiny community at large.

I don't know why everyone wants to change stuff in Destiny that they don't like personally. The developers had a clear idea of what they wanted in hard mode: no revives. In a game where lots of stuff has changed, including nightfalls, this has remained constant. They want it to be like this, and they think it's fine.

I swear to god, people of the Destiny community would take a look at the Mona Lisa and tell her to show some teeth and cleavage.

Lmao. I know you said it's not directed at anyone in particular, but I figured I'd let you know that I personally don't mind the no revives thing at all. I was just throwing an idea out there to see what people thought about it.

I think this is actually a complaint about a different problem.

1- It's super hard to get your light level to 311 or greater, and it's a death-fest if you have a few people on that fight lower than that.
2- There is no room for mistakes. Technically you "only" need 4 people for oryx -- 3 on platforms and 1 runner... but that's really not true as without that extra 2 person's worth of DPSing, you'll get overwhelmed and die without really high light levels. (See also point 1)
3- On the oryx fight, if a bunch of badly placed eyes spawn for some reason, you are likely to see someone drop due to being suddenly overwhelmed rather than because they failed at any particular skill-check.

So people are pissed at revives -- because they'd rather revive and keep an attempt going than wipe and start over. Adding revives would fix the problems the raid has with the points above.

But I don't think that's the right fix, just a way for people to easily address the above 3 points. Because hard-mode oryx isn't much different than normal, just a couple extra knights and no revives, along with a gear check. Which is actually a lot of what people are also grumbly about -- it's about the same, but was billed as being more different.

I also think that this was somewhat intentional by bungie. They don't want people 1-2 manning the raids where possible, they want them to be 5-6 person efforts.

Without changing the fight more substantially, I'm not sure what could be done to quickly solve this particular set of issues.

I think you're bang-on. To this day, my favorite encounter in Destiny is the Bridge section of Crota's End. It provides clear roles for 6 players, but a skilled and coordinated team can bend the rules a bit. Each member of the fireteam gets their moment in the spotlight, where the pressure is on them to perform. But if someone drops the ball, there is still room for another player to pull off something awesome and save the day. And while it is possible for a team of fewer than 6 players to clear it, you really need to earn it (aside from the "jump the gap" cheese). Building and crossing the bridge as a team of 3 was an intense and thrilling experience :)

1- It's super hard to get your light level to 311 or greater, and it's a death-fest if you have a few people on that fight lower than that.
2- There is no room for mistakes. Technically you "only" need 4 people for oryx -- 3 on platforms and 1 runner... but that's really not true as without that extra 2 person's worth of DPSing, you'll get overwhelmed and die without really high light levels. (See also point 1)
3- On the oryx fight, if a bunch of badly placed eyes spawn for some reason, you are likely to see someone drop due to being suddenly overwhelmed rather than because they failed at any particular skill-check.

So people are pissed at revives -- because they'd rather revive and keep an attempt going than wipe and start over. Adding revives would fix the problems the raid has with the points above.

But I don't think that's the right fix, just a way for people to easily address the above 3 points. Because hard-mode oryx isn't much different than normal, just a couple extra knights and no revives, along with a gear check. Which is actually a lot of what people are also grumbly about -- it's about the same, but was billed as being more different.

I also think that this was somewhat intentional by bungie. They don't want people 1-2 manning the raids where possible, they want them to be 5-6 person efforts.

Without changing the fight more substantially, I'm not sure what could be done to quickly solve this particular set of issues.

This isn't directed at anyone here in particular, but in regards the Destiny community at large.

I don't know why everyone wants to change stuff in Destiny that they don't like personally.

Aside from the general and pervasive noise of the Internet, Bungie has specifically engaged the community in asking for feedback. I'm not defending the attitude some people take of "demanding changes", of course. But providing feedback, expressing likes and dislikes, hopes and concerns... I feel like that's all part of a healthy developer-community relationship.

The developers had a clear idea of what they wanted in hard mode: no revives. In a game where lots of stuff has changed, including nightfalls, this has remained constant. They want it to be like this, and they think it's fine.

I don't think there is any harm in saying "hey Bungie, I had this idea. What do you think?". Again, as long as its expressed respectfully and constructively. Bungie can, does, and should stick to their guns when it comes to core issues they strongly believe in (lack of raid matchmaking is a perfect example)

I'd argue that Oryx has the hardest addition to Hard Mode with the blight-eating Knights, though, with the Warpriest's defense mechanisms being a close second. Every other stage, though? No revives is what takes the cake.