I broke down all of my old 170 raid armor the other day. Didn't miss it. It's just stuff. I still have every Legendary hand cannon though…

But the old heavy ammo perk on raid pants is way better than the new ones. I only go into the crucible with old raid pants.

But it seems like the grind is just as bad, if not worse now.

I'm sorry, what?

I mean, I can see not really liking some of the things Bungie has done now (not having Exotics at a set level is a little odd to me as well), but that statement is pretty unequivocally false. The grind is so much better now it's not even funny. It's entirely too early to tell, but I highly suspect getting to 310 isn't a big deal. Once you're at 300, you're good.

Rate of Fire: 27
Impact: 61
Range: 94
Stability: 24
Reload: 65

Magazine: 7 (11 with extended mag, which is the best option, imo)
*Takes up an exotic weapon slot

Last Extremity

Rate of Fire: 27
Impact: 61
Range: 74
Stability: 36
Reload: 59

Magazine: 12 (8 with smallbore, 16 with extended mag) Possible to roll with Triple-Tap and Firefly.
*Can be purchased from Crucible Vendor

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In my opinion, Last Extremity is only very slightly worse than Jade Rabbit (lacking the signature perk for bonus precision damage and ammo refills after body shots), but if you can reliably get precision hits with each shot, Last Extremity with Triple Tap will be just as effective. The greater stability means chaining precision shots is easier, and the slower reload is offset by the larger base mag size and (again) extra bullets from triple-tap.

Other Scout Rifles in this realm of impact include the Cocytus SR4 (Armsday, I assume? Destiny DB didn't mention how to get this, but I think it is slightly better than the Last Extremity), the Iron Banner Scout rifle (data mined), and the Trials Scout Rifles (again, data mined). And that's it. Nothing else comes close on a damage per-shot basis.

FWIW I think you're better off buying Last Extremity and using an exotic special or heavy weapon that you will be using the Jade Rabbit. I own both, and that's what I do.

***Important note: Neither weapon has a compelling sound effect for shots fired. Use Ace of Spades instead.

It's just stuff

Cody "Where the F**k is my Hawkmoon" Miller :p

I have 60 pieces of Raid or Raid-equivalent armour. Plus Exotics. Plus cosmetic items.

Don't get me wrong, Im very appreciative of the space increase, but it's not nearly enough for me. Obviously I'm the 0.1% of players though.

I broke down all of my old 170 raid armor the other day. Didn't miss it. It's just stuff. I still have every Legendary hand cannon though…

I kept my Warlock VoG armor because it's the only set I'm attached to, plus 1 of every raid weapon.

I have 60 pieces of Raid or Raid-equivalent armour. Plus Exotics. Plus cosmetic items.

Don't get me wrong, Im very appreciative of the space increase, but it's not nearly enough for me. Obviously I'm the 0.1% of players though.

I broke down all of my old 170 raid armor the other day. Didn't miss it. It's just stuff. I still have every Legendary hand cannon though…

I expect the first jumping puzzle will be more difficult with a different route and more ships that you shouldn't jump on. That's my prediction for that section of the raid on hard mode.

My predictions:

0. No revives like normal hard mode.

1. More enemies before and after the Hive Ships. Perhaps snipers shooting you while you ride from ship to ship.

2. The prove your worth section will require you to go from side to side rotating entirely around, rather than just staying on your side now. You'll have to all rotate as a six man team instead of two groups of three.

3. The Warpriest will inherit the Deathsinger's ability to block their heads when Tethered. More enemies so you can't just all ignore them except for the guy with the buff.

4. I'm guessing shooting Golgoroth will no longer get his attention. You'll have to do something else and more dangerous. Enemies will spawn on timers, rather than after every round of gaze taking.

5. Platform order may change for the death singers. Zig zag, forward and backward, who knows.

6. No clue how Oryx will be different.

I'd like to think also that some fight will be completely reworked, requiring totally different, more complex and unforgiving mechanics.

Don't get me wrong, Im very appreciative of the space increase, but it's not nearly enough for me. Obviously I'm the 0.1% of players though.

This raid, even when mastered, is still going to be pretty long. Playing the raid 3x a week won't be doable. And I'm okay with that.

Fo the first time in a long time, playing Destiny does not feel like a chore or a job.

I expect I'll be running the raid about one night a week with my other destiny night being filled with working on quests on my alts. I expect this to go on for a good long while. But first I need to complete the quests on my titan.

I really hope they just increase the difficulty/complexity of the mechanics for the hard mode raid.

Things are definitely going to happen differently this time, as Luke Smith has said in a interview like a week ago that they didn't want Hard Mode to just have bigger numbers, and that they had something special planned. Also the Raid was apparently designed as a hard mode raid and scaled DOWN for normal, as opposed to normal being scaled up for the past two.

I expect the first jumping puzzle will be more difficult with a different route and more ships that you shouldn't jump on. That's my prediction for that section of the raid on hard mode.

I mostly keep up with the PS4 DBO crew by playing two nights a week (with an occasional third). I lag behind a little, but not too badly.

This raid, even when mastered, is still going to be pretty long. Playing the raid 3x a week won't be doable. And I'm okay with that.

For the first time in a long time, playing Destiny does not feel like a chore or a job. The fact I am only getting one set of drops per week doesn't bother me at all, whereas before I counted chances to get Hawkmoon.

Which reminds me. I wonder if the Jade Rabbit will be my Hawkmoon this time around? Rare, good gun, PS4 exclusive…

He said it IS the max, not that it will be. He said things like "currently" and "right now."

I expect hard mode to be at 310.

That's not the way it was worded. It will be raised in future expansion of course… but then so will our chances to reach new highs. Want to bet eating a sock that hard mode is not 310?

Unfortunately, that's exactly the way it was worded.

Raid final boss isn't 310 (so you aren't pushing against something you can't attain), and so there's no meaningful progression content above 300 for you right now so being 307 or 308 in week 2 doesn't really matter in terms of power (vertical) progression.

The max Light value for content currently in the game is 300, once you've crossed that threshold, you can climb all of the mountains currently on your horizon.

If your interpretation is true, Bungie has made yet another horrible blunder. If my interpretation is true, then they actually made a great choice.

I really hope they just increase the difficulty/complexity of the mechanics for the hard mode raid.

Things are definitely going to happen differently this time, as Luke Smith has said in a interview like a week ago that they didn't want Hard Mode to just have bigger numbers, and that they had something special planned. Also the Raid was apparently designed as a hard mode raid and scaled DOWN for normal, as opposed to normal being scaled up for the past two.