It just sucks if you are a late comer and missed things like wolfpack hunting, Reef bounty hunting, and those kinds of limited time games. The way the game is set up now also leaves anyone not buying Taken King in the dust, with a gutted experience. No Vanguard Playlists, no Nightfall, no Daily mission, Eris and Petra bounties gone, only 3 Crucible playlists.

Note that one of the quests variks has you do involves going to mars, finding some prowling wolves, and taking out a mini-boss. So it's not all gone forever.

Bungie's almost forcing me to get rid of my Year 1 stuff. And to be honest, I'm not up for it. I've gotten some beautiful weapons with some amazing lucky perks, and I don't want to give that up. Especially for Blues with "critical health" perks as their only bonus. I haven't gotten any Legendary items yet--I have so many quests now I can't even keep them straight--but here's my problems:

1. These new weapons peeling out--they DO have higher light and whatnot, but they still behave like their Year 1 counterparts: One perk or less, low stats on a most of their qualities, and near worthless dismantles. So they're still awesome, but they still suck. I'm getting rid of a Blue or Green that dwarfs my Legendaries/Exotics, but I'm still getting literally just one Weapon Part/Armor Piece. It's confusing and taking my brain for a loop.

2. This new Light system isn't as awesome as people think. Having high Light levels is great, but the main problem is that's with a near-genetic level of specifics in order to make that work. To get Light level X, you HAVE to have this exact weapon on, despite its useless perk in a certain situation; you HAVE to wear this exact armor, despite it drastically lowering your Intellect and Strength. You HAVE to be using this exact Ghost, even though it's detecting Spinmetal...on the Dreadnaught. You HAVE to wear this exact class item, even though it's ugly as all unholy hot garbage pizza hole.

Armor may have been a more unflinching compromise in Year 1--with Etheric Light and all, you may have had to sacrifice your personal preference in appearance for the power you needed to make it through a Prison or a Nightfall more easily, but in terms of weapons, you were free to make whatever choices you wanted. You could go into Crota's End with a Bad Juju and a Hunger of Crota, or a Fatebringer/Gjallarhorn, or whatever combo you felt comfortable with and it didn't matter because you were level Thirty-X; regardless of what your armor held, your weapons still did damage independently. Now you HAVE to go into battle with this extremely specific weapon, armor, and even personalizaton set just so you can be strong enough for this and that.

3. And finally, floodgates. Again, I don't want to get rid of (most of) my Year 1 weapons. They're great, they're special, they're rare, and not to be selfish, but they're mine. But I am getting non-stop engrams and pieces from everywhere--again, all greens and blues. How I'd love for something like this beforehand--where I could actually throw something away. But now, they're all stronger than everything I've got! And it's forcing me to keep more and more of the Year Two items in order to finish quests and missions! Which of course, immediately puts my space at jeopardy. Every time--and I say this without exaggeration--literally every time I do a new mission or quest or even a Dreadnaught Patrol--I come back home and my Postmaster is overflowing! Drowning in engrams and blues I can't pick up because of all the OTHER blues and engrams I already picked up out in space--again, the most common Y2 low level stuff is making my Y1 treasures falling to their knees. Right now I have an Axiom Coven--the green boot--with not a single perk--easily outclassing my maxed out Deathsinger's Herald--Heavy Weapon Ammo and Swordbearer's Touch. So I have to put more of my Legendaries in the Vault, and delete any Blues that aren't a single light level higher. And I don't have room for all that! I was fighting against some Taken earlier today, and right in the middle of shooting, I said "And my Fatebringer's in the Vault." So I'm shooting with this Blue Auto Rifle and my 2nd favorite primary weapon is gathering dust. And I can't sit still while waiting for my companion app to STILL load, so I'm in a quandary.

Is getting rid of everything I've grown to love and excel with the only way to improve?

Don't trash them yet; your perfect perk and feel weapons are just as effective in the crucible as they ever were. The armor is *almost* as effective (because of lower stat values on them and the fact that you will eventually reach level 40 and want the higher stat armors).

As for your points with regards to PvE:

1) You will be replacing gear at a prodigious rate as you level up and explore TTK. Don't fret. Also, for the main TTK story, everything is such low level for most of it that your year 1 weapons are still the superior option as far as what to use. That being said, please be sure to always keep your highest light level gear handy to equip as you decrypt engrams (I'm going to post a how-to guide elsewhere).

2) The new light system doesn't actually work that way at all, I'm happy to report. If you have legendary armor X - which you love - with light 255 on it, but get a new rare armor Y - which kinda sucks balls - with light 264 on it, you can imbue your legendary armor with the new armor (consuming the new armor and a small number of materials in the process) to raise the light level on your old armor, keeping it relevant. Yes, your year 1 armors are no longer good for endgame PvE. Frankly, that's how progression works in any game. There are items aplenty for you to get that have equally interesting perks, better stats, and cool art, so don't panic.

3) As I mentioned above, your crucible favorite weapons are still valuable. For PvE, your light 170 weapons are great through the story missions. The exotics still perform really well (I'm now light 261 and still use my 170 icebreaker fairly often). Obviously if you do the "abandoned quests" those are all from years 1 and 2, so your old weapons and armor are fully effective. For the new endgame content, you'll want higher light level items, but there's enough leeway that you can totally get away with using a lower light level weapon in one slot. Remember, it's not the value of that single weapon that determines its effectiveness anymore, but rather your personal light level. If all of your gear is 260 and you want to equip a 170 fatebringer, it may knock you down to, say 256 total light. Slightly lower, but not at all ineffective.

You don't need to get rid of everything in order to improve, but you also will need to cull the herd a little. Don't be a hoarder - you can always buy back ships, shaders, and emblems for free, and year 1 exotics are pretty cheap to buy as well. The legendaries will, most likely, be replaced down the line, but I'd hang on to the ones you like until you find a new one you like just as much.

your feltwinters would be at 170 damage, while everyone else is running 300 damage/defense.

Would that just mean that your light tier is essentially an equivalent to your character level then?

Guessing this would cause major problems with events such as Iron Banner. If I'm at 290 light and can't go down, then what would stop me from using Felwinters, Jolders Hammer, Mida, etc...

I still hate losing my old weapons, but I think this is their way of forcing us to year 2 gear.

your feltwinters would be at 170 damage, while everyone else is running 300 damage/defense.

I still hate losing my old weapons, but I think this is their way of forcing us to year 2 gear.

For my part, I'm saddened that class items (cloaks especially) now serve an armor function. I saved almost all of my green cloaks while leveling because I thought some of those models were really pretty, but aside from sitting in the vault, they can't be worn without losing quite a bit of armor.

Yep. Totally agree.

In regards to weapons, I have a nearly full vault, so it's a struggle. I keep telling myself I haven't used and will never have enough time to use most of them, but my Depression-era parents instilled a strong hoarding impulse in me. :)

One idea:

• Give the Gunsmith a long-term off-site storage vault where you can store older unused guns.
  
• To retrieve a gun you must submit a requisition to Banshee. Because of logistics and security, they can only be delivered on Armsday.
  
• No more than three requisitions can be submitted during any week, and if not retrieved before the next Armsday the guns go back in the vault.

2. This new Light system isn't as awesome as people think. Having high Light levels is great, but the main problem is that's with a near-genetic level of specifics in order to make that work. To get Light level X, you HAVE to have this exact weapon on, despite its useless perk in a certain situation; you HAVE to wear this exact armor, despite it drastically lowering your Intellect and Strength. You HAVE to be using this exact Ghost, even though it's detecting Spinmetal...on the Dreadnaught. You HAVE to wear this exact class item, even though it's ugly as all unholy hot garbage pizza hole.

Armor may have been a more unflinching compromise in Year 1--with Etheric Light and all, you may have had to sacrifice your personal preference in appearance for the power you needed to make it through a Prison or a Nightfall more easily, but in terms of weapons, you were free to make whatever choices you wanted. You could go into Crota's End with a Bad Juju and a Hunger of Crota, or a Fatebringer/Gjallarhorn, or whatever combo you felt comfortable with and it didn't matter because you were level Thirty-X; regardless of what your armor held, your weapons still did damage independently. Now you HAVE to go into battle with this extremely specific weapon, armor, and even personalizaton set just so you can be strong enough for this and that.

This is true at the moment but is exactly what the new option to sacrifice higher damage/defense items is for. You are stuck with legendaries, but the idea is to find the gear whose stats/appearance you like and level them up with stuff you don't care about. I think this is a great addition.

The only issue is that it's year 2 only, they really want us to move on to new stuff. But they've said before that they want the experience to change over time, and for us to have different periods of time feel different. I'm not sure if I like this entirely, but I get it and it's better for the hardcore that play a lot. It just sucks if you are a late comer and missed things like wolfpack hunting, Reef bounty hunting, and those kinds of limited time games. The way the game is set up now also leaves anyone not buying Taken King in the dust, with a gutted experience. No Vanguard Playlists, no Nightfall, no Daily mission, Eris and Petra bounties gone, only 3 Crucible playlists.

One other thing, do year one exotics cost anything more than a shard and some glimmer? Can't check at work but I thought that's all you need to pick them back up. They stay fully levelled too so there shouldn't be a worry about that. Consider it throwing them in the bank, you dismantle and get a shard, but you can use that same shard to pick it back up when you want to.

I was under the impression that when you remade them they started off unlevelled.

One other thing, do year one exotics cost anything more than a shard and some glimmer? Can't check at work but I thought that's all you need to pick them back up. They stay fully levelled too so there shouldn't be a worry about that. Consider it throwing them in the bank, you dismantle and get a shard, but you can use that same shard to pick it back up when you want to.

10 VoG weapons, 10 CE weapons, 9 IB weapons, 9 PoE weapons, 9 ToO weapons, 20+ Exotic weapons = 57+ weapons. Plus a few other favourites I still like for Crucible, and a couple new guns I like, and I'm at 71/72.

15 VoG Armour, 15 CE armours, 15 IB, ToO and PoE armours and I'm already up to 60. Variks Class Items is 69, plus another 15 Faction Aours and I'm already overflowing into my characters slots. Add Exotics and I'm drowning.

I will NOT get rid of my Raid gear. I'm sure I'll replace my IB and ToO stuff, so that's a wash, but the Raid gear is now literally worthless. Let me put it on a mannequin and be done with it.

Again - I'm loving the new content, and I feel like this was the right choice. It just hurts, ya know?

Wait... There is that much VoG and CE Armor!? Oh, that's full armor + butt towel and then the same for every class. Holy shit man! I would say congrats, but apparently that's also what is causing this turmoil :-)

I've got nothing original in my inventory. I'm using sidearms and weird fusion rifles and inefficient shotguns and test weapons for the gunsmith.

Yeah, replying to AND referencing my own comment.

I love the look of the gunsmith test guns, but none of the "real" weapons are like them. Does anyone know if the ones we can order will look like these?

I've got nothing original in my inventory. I'm using sidearms and weird fusion rifles and inefficient shotguns and test weapons for the gunsmith.

It makes it trickier, although way less efficient with can wear on a perfectionist. But I try to remind myself to kill with skill, not leverage. Although your point about light level holds in that regard.

"ugly as all unholy hot garbage pizza hole"

LOL. This is my bane - the best chest or helmet I have at any given time is going to be the ugliest of the 4 I am holding.

In general, understand what you are saying. You can't change it - so maybe try jumping in with both feet?

My buddy still runs with Ghallerhorn...just seems like a waste to me.

Is getting rid of everything I've grown to love and excel with the only way to improve?

Here is what I recommend: Embrace it during these early days of year 2.

When I realized how much new gear the game was throwing at me, I basically turned in all my year 1 gear to the Vault. I kept a couple key pieces--my go-to scout rifle and Gjallarhorn, which I used as needed, but I was free to pick up and experiment with the new gear.

You don't have to dismantle anything, so there's nothing lost if you put your favorite guns on the shelf for while.

15 VoG Armour, 15 CE armours, 15 IB, ToO and PoE armours and I'm already up to 60. Variks Class Items is 69, plus another 15 Faction Aours and I'm already overflowing into my characters slots. Add Exotics and I'm drowning.

I will NOT get rid of my Raid gear. I'm sure I'll replace my IB and ToO stuff, so that's a wash, but the Raid gear is now literally worthless. Let me put it on a mannequin and be done with it.

Again - I'm loving the new content, and I feel like this was the right choice. It just hurts, ya know?