Who do they think they are, not letting my country hear Sandstorm?!

Considering the posts in question got locked, I'm gonna shut up now, apart from to say you definitely didn't deserve the reaction you got.

So now, there is literally nothing I can do to contribute to kneeling Crota. Not a goddamn thing. I guess I'll just point--maybe that will distract him.

or you could get good

As funny as the reply to this was, I seem to have struck a nerve, and I don't like to burn bridges, so: The word choice here was a meme, and one often used to put people down, and I didn't mean for it to be taken as an insult. I meant for it to be taken somewhat literally, and also as a sign to reconsider what was said, because the phrase "there is literally nothing I can do" should set off the hyperbole alarm in everyone's heads. (I also don't believe you have to be skilled yourself to recognize when someone is or isn't applying skill, otherwise you'd have to be an expert to enjoy watching sports or other competitions.)

To be fair, the guy was asking for it, honestly (using a Black Hammer against Crota? Genius.png).

I thought your reply was 24 karats of pure comedy, and clearly didn't warrant the massive butthurt (although there was much truth within your jest). But seriously, using any sniper against Crota (squad of NLB's aside) is Next-level dumb, and he considered it his only option?

So now, there is literally nothing I can do to contribute to kneeling Crota. Not a goddamn thing. I guess I'll just point--maybe that will distract him.

or you could get good

As funny as the reply to this was, I seem to have struck a nerve, and I don't like to burn bridges, so: The word choice here was a meme, and one often used to put people down, and I didn't mean for it to be taken as an insult. I meant for it to be taken somewhat literally, and also as a sign to reconsider what was said, because the phrase "there is literally nothing I can do" should set off the hyperbole alarm in everyone's heads. (I also don't believe you have to be skilled yourself to recognize when someone is or isn't applying skill, otherwise you'd have to be an expert to enjoy watching sports or other competitions.)

Wait, white nail works on Crota? But he has no crit-hit zone. How do you get it to proc?

It doesn't, and he isn't.

So now, there is literally nothing I can do to contribute to kneeling Crota. Not a goddamn thing. I guess I'll just point--maybe that will distract him.

or you could get good

Vagueness. You are the LAST. The absolute undisputed ridiculously idiotic FINAL person on the entire. Fucking. Planet. To say a single thing to me about skill.

A quick DestinyTracker search proved what is painfully obvious:

http://destinytracker.com/destiny/player/xbox/Gnrl%20Vagueness

http://destinytracker.com/destiny/player/xbox/Morpheus414

Every single page, every single category, every single column--I've dragged your ass up and down the floor like a wet mop. Campaign, multiplayer, everything. We're not even in the same league. Not just Destiny, either. Halo, obviously--every Customs night when we have enough people for teams, we have to arrange the roster to have at least one good player on your team at all times. Isn't that a bad enough sign? In fact, comparing games--in every single game we both share, I've gotten more, better, faster. The only exception is Hexic HD, and I'll give that one to you because let's face it--no one wants to play that garbage again.

My point is--you're so terrible at everything you touch--you're not even ALLOWED to say 'get good'. Because guess what? You're WORSE.

No, that's the opposite of what they want. They don't want it to be that easy. I did a nightfall with a Gjallarhorn user (or two) a few weeks ago. I expected the last fight to take up to an hour. By all rights it probably should have. It was over before I could fire off two magazines from my sniper. That's a broken encounter, because of one gun-- and that was Valus Ta'aurc, the one they thought had too much health at the time!

And this is another example. You believe the final section of the (Solar Burn, by the way) Nightfall--not the entire strike itself, but only the boss fight with Ta'aurc--would take an entire sixty minutes??

You're probably confused about the burns(I was too, when I first started--I guess that's the one thing you don't have to feel bad about), but elemental damage from any source is greatly increased(3x). Which means if you have a weapon that matches the elemental burn, it will do 3x the amount of damage toward another enemy, too. Which is why people use that to their advantage.

But let's get back to this hour thing. You honestly expected the last fight to stretch on for a full hour. Seriously. An hour.

Full strikes don't even take an hour. BURN-LESS NIGHTFALLS don't take an hour. A GOD. DAMN. RAID DOES NOT TAKE AN HOUR.

The worst strikes I've ever had in my entire life--the first time I went against Aksor as a level 14--those were never any longer than 35 minutes. THE WHOLE THING, not just the boss fight.

That was 8 months ago. Now I can run Nightfalls by myeslf in less than that amount of time.

The only time a strike took me more than an hour was when I was backing up my talk by accepting Raeflection's "I'm A Big Baby" Strike challenge. And I won.

Anybody remember that?

One last bullet point paragraph--back to this whole hour thing. During that strike week, you obviously weren't paying attention to the forums.

You didn't see the video Funkmon posted?

You didn't see the videos that CruelLegacy posted?
(P.S.--look at his last statement at the bottom.)

You didn't see the video I fuckin' posted?

Even WITHOUT Solar Burn, Ta'aurc can still be managed quickly, if done properly and carefully. If the electrical impulses in your brain estimate to you that the final segment of a 20 minute strike would last a full hour, that's your brain telling you that YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I'll take a stern note of hard facts from Xenos. I'll take it from Claude. I'll take it from someotherguy, from Funkmon, from Cody, Ragashingo, Kermit and even iconicbanana. Because I can sulk all I want, but at least I know they're right. But don't you fuckin' come to me and tell me I need to get good. Because I'll tell you right now, Vaguness--if I'm not good, then you aren't shit.

I'm leaving, everybody. I'll be back in a week.

Sure, but LOTS of stuff works against Crota besides G-Horn, Ice Breaker, and Black Hammer. Any rocket launcher with tracking will get the job done.

Can confirm any rocket with big oomph will do. Used Hezen's Vengeance on Normal runs before I got my Hunger of Crota. Then used my Hunger of Crota on Hard runs.

How did you manage to complain about a Thorn buff in PvE?

I guess when I got caught up reading Bungie's weapon tuning business contract.

I don't even know what that means. What does that mean?

How is nerfing Black Hammer, Ghallarhorn or Ice Breaker preventing you from downing Crota?

We strive for Destiny to be a place where a single weapon or strategy does not dictate how, or with whom, you spend your time.

Bungie didn't mean for the above to happen, but it absolutely did. Even Datto's No Land Beyond thing didn't encourage players to try something else. That's because they go for the sure and true, the reliable and dependable, the ol' Faithful, or whatever you call it. People go with what works.

Right. Some weapons are more popular. That doesn't mean it literally can't be done without those weapons. I don't have any idea how you came to that conclusion.

Why are you shooting him with Black Hammer of all things in the first place?

White Nail. Why else?

Umm... does White Nail proc on Crota? You can't even get crit damage on his shield.

How is it taking you more than 6 Icebreaker shots or 1 rocket each (regardless of whether it's Gjallarhorn) to down him? Are you the only person shooting at him?

I'm an Overseer--I guard and protect my raid group from Boomers, Bridge Knights, and Ogres. My two Icebreakers are at 307 and 321, so at the moment each of those takes at least two shots to kill those enemies. I usually try to keep some Heavy Syntheses with me, but if I don't have any, my rockets are empty. And the devil himself will die of hypothermia before I see any purple on the floor. Onto Crota himself--I don't know if it's lag, or clashing colors or if it's intentional, but I don't see any damage numbers on his shield at all. If I'm looking at his shielf health, I rarely see any change there either. Meaning I have no idea as to when he's
weak enough to actually heal. So when my teammate grabs the sword, I unleash EVERYTHING I've got and I don't stop until he kneels. If I'm busy keeping Knights away from everyone, especially the Swordbearer, he picks it up--no heavy ammo on the floor, 48 second reload...that just leaves a pulse or a scout rifle. Now that's laughable!

If you're on Boomer duty you dont even need to shoot at Crota. On Normal mode he'll go down just fine with 4 people shooting him, and on Hard you're probably not even shooting the boomers, so you won't have to worry about it.

They nerfed Grenades and Horseshoes and you've decided without even seeing it or being told specifics that the nerf isn't enough?

One hundred-percent. I've run, I've jumped, I've backpedaled--I've even blinked. And still, 5-8 feet away(and in the case of Blink, 10 feet in the air), no wiggle room, no leeway, no chance in hell. Death, death, oh so distant death.

And they're nerfing it. But you know it won't be enough?

How did you manage to complain about a Thorn buff in PvE?

I guess when I got caught up reading Bungie's weapon tuning business contract.

How is nerfing Black Hammer, Ghallarhorn or Ice Breaker preventing you from downing Crota?

We strive for Destiny to be a place where a single weapon or strategy does not dictate how, or with whom, you spend your time.

Bungie didn't mean for the above to happen, but it absolutely did. Even Datto's No Land Beyond thing didn't encourage players to try something else. That's because they go for the sure and true, the reliable and dependable, the ol' Faithful, or whatever you call it. People go with what works.

Sure, but LOTS of stuff works against Crota besides G-Horn, Ice Breaker, and Black Hammer. Any rocket launcher with tracking will get the job done.

Why are you shooting him with Black Hammer of all things in the first place?

White Nail. Why else?

Wait, white nail works on Crota? But he has no crit-hit zone. How do you get it to proc?

How is it taking you more than 6 Icebreaker shots or 1 rocket each (regardless of whether it's Gjallarhorn) to down him? Are you the only person shooting at him?

I'm an Overseer--I guard and protect my raid group from Boomers, Bridge Knights, and Ogres. My two Icebreakers are at 307 and 321, so at the moment each of those takes at least two shots to kill those enemies. I usually try to keep some Heavy Syntheses with me, but if I don't have any, my rockets are empty. And the devil himself will die of hypothermia before I see any purple on the floor. Onto Crota himself--I don't know if it's lag, or clashing colors or if it's intentional, but I don't see any damage numbers on his shield at all. If I'm looking at his shielf health, I rarely see any change there either. Meaning I have no idea as to when he's
weak enough to actually heal. So when my teammate grabs the sword, I unleash EVERYTHING I've got and I don't stop until he kneels. If I'm busy keeping Knights away from everyone, especially the Swordbearer, he picks it up--no heavy ammo on the floor, 48 second reload...that just leaves a pulse or a scout rifle. Now that's laughable!

I still don't understand... That's what YOU are doing, but what about the rest of your team? Getting Crota to kneel is very easy.

They nerfed Grenades and Horseshoes and you've decided without even seeing it or being told specifics that the nerf isn't enough?

One hundred-percent. I've run, I've jumped, I've backpedaled--I've even blinked. And still, 5-8 feet away(and in the case of Blink, 10 feet in the air), no wiggle room, no leeway, no chance in hell. Death, death, oh so distant death.

Your logic here is confusing. You think that them nerfing Grenades and Horseshoes won't be enough because right now it's crazy how big the proximity detonation is, but you don't have ANY idea how much they nerfed it. This is a purely emotional reaction. For all we know they lowered it by 90%, that wouldn't be enough?

I'm of course not expecting it to be at 90%, but they obviously KNOW it's an issue and are attempting to address it. Unless you are trolling why not give them the CHANCE to show that they've addressed the issue.

How did you manage to complain about a Thorn buff in PvE?

I guess when I got caught up reading Bungie's weapon tuning business contract.

How is nerfing Black Hammer, Ghallarhorn or Ice Breaker preventing you from downing Crota?

We strive for Destiny to be a place where a single weapon or strategy does not dictate how, or with whom, you spend your time.

Bungie didn't mean for the above to happen, but it absolutely did. Even Datto's No Land Beyond thing didn't encourage players to try something else. That's because they go for the sure and true, the reliable and dependable, the ol' Faithful, or whatever you call it. People go with what works.

Why are you shooting him with Black Hammer of all things in the first place?

White Nail. Why else?

How is it taking you more than 6 Icebreaker shots or 1 rocket each (regardless of whether it's Gjallarhorn) to down him? Are you the only person shooting at him?

I'm an Overseer--I guard and protect my raid group from Boomers, Bridge Knights, and Ogres. My two Icebreakers are at 307 and 321, so at the moment each of those takes at least two shots to kill those enemies. I usually try to keep some Heavy Syntheses with me, but if I don't have any, my rockets are empty. And the devil himself will die of hypothermia before I see any purple on the floor. Onto Crota himself--I don't know if it's lag, or clashing colors or if it's intentional, but I don't see any damage numbers on his shield at all. If I'm looking at his shielf health, I rarely see any change there either. Meaning I have no idea as to when he's
weak enough to actually heal. So when my teammate grabs the sword, I unleash EVERYTHING I've got and I don't stop until he kneels. If I'm busy keeping Knights away from everyone, especially the Swordbearer, he picks it up--no heavy ammo on the floor, 48 second reload...that just leaves a pulse or a scout rifle. Now that's laughable!

They nerfed Grenades and Horseshoes and you've decided without even seeing it or being told specifics that the nerf isn't enough?

One hundred-percent. I've run, I've jumped, I've backpedaled--I've even blinked. And still, 5-8 feet away(and in the case of Blink, 10 feet in the air), no wiggle room, no leeway, no chance in hell. Death, death, oh so distant death.

Your whole post smacks of " CHANGE IS BAD, THE END IS NIGH"

Of course it does--I don't like change! Change is bad!

(and if anyone can't tell, this is the part where I'm using light-hearted honesty to reveal my own flaws)

You learn the new secrets and the tricks of trades, etc., then it whips around on ya, and boom! You're on your face wondering how it all went wrong. You have to memorize all this stuff, radically change strategies(and I DON'T mean that camping garbage), watch the stuff you had faith in just melt in your hands...it is indeed the end of times!

#migwasright

I don't know about what, but he probably was.

But why would it say "reduced in PvP and PvE" if PvE isn't being reduced? That's misleading.

When the shotguns got the PvE exclusive buff, what did it say?

Increase damage by 2x (100%) against all non-Guardian combatants (aliens)

Boom. Wipe hands. Done. Doesn't get any simpler or straightforward.

Now why not just put down "Increase Thorn's MoD to whatever the hell this garbled wording means against non-Guardians"?

Easy, right?

They didn't do that because the change is more subtle, and needs explanation. Here is a simplified explanation of what the MoD changes will be:

Right now MoD can only affect a target a single time. This means if you already hit a target, hitting them a second time has 0 effect on MoD damage. Now that MoD can STACK it will do more damage with each shot that lands on it up to 5x. This means when you hit a target 5x it will now do 5x33% damage it used to do which equals up to 166% the current damage it does now if you hit a target 5 times. The reason they did this is so that the gun still gives you a similar effect to the current usage, but since the target in PvP will be dead by the time you hit them 5x, it is not overpowered in PvP. This could not be explained the way you requested since the new mechanics have to be explained, not just "It now does 166% damage against non-Guardians" because that's not 100% true since it relies on you to continually hit the target.

This is a much more clever use of the mechanic as it actually makes the gun feel better in PvE as you do sustained damage, while at the same time removing the crazy power of the gun in PvP.

When the shotguns got the PvE exclusive buff, what did it say?

Increase damage by 2x (100%) against all non-Guardian combatants (aliens)

Boom. Wipe hands. Done. Doesn't get any simpler or straightforward.

Now why not just put down "Increase Thorn's MoD to whatever the hell this garbled wording means against non-Guardians"?

Easy, right?