Scout rifles seem to have now becomes the gun that auto-rifles could have been with the addition of auto-fire. Getting a scout that hits hard is much more rare nowadays. (Sure would like an elemental scholar!) My Gheleon's Demise and A.1F-19x are both much more to my liking than the other, more common, scout rifles. They hit hard, are relatively stable, and reward a patient hand. I think the best hand cannons, with their fantastic range, have eclipsed this class of scout rifles into obscurity. So much so that I use hand cannons as often as I use scout rifles now, even though I prefer the way a scout generally handles over a hand cannon.

Of the PoE weapons, the only one I actually like is Wolves Leash II, specifically for the Fallen Captain stun perk. Most other guns with that perk have such a slow rate of fire that the chances of ever stunning a captain are low. But the WL II has a high RoF and great range, so you can spam captains before they get close and blind them. I have a Solar version that I'm using for now, but I'm hoping for an arc version.

Scout rifle yes, Messenger yes.

The scout rifle's basically only worthwhile if it's a void one though, since it's completely outclassed by the other two raid ones. And even then, Word of Crota, in my opinion, beats it at every point. This is because the only time you really want a void gun is on vex missions, and explosive rounds do a massive damage bonus to vex.

But, I will concede that it is better than the Wolves' Leash which is shit.

But the Jewel of Osiris, as much as I love 3rd eye, always goes in the back pocket when I can use VoC. And if I didn't have that, the solar PoE handcannon with a larger mag and decent perks would be my choice. If it's void, again, I'd take WoC. If it's arc, obviously fatebringer.

The auto rifle has crowd control and field scout, which blows The Summoner out of the water. It's also top of the line for all elements since our elemental auto rifles are complete shit. Summoner, if you don't have the PoE gun, is still good only because the other guns are awful.

And honestly, The adept Messenger is also outclassed unless in void in my opinion. Fang, Fatebringer, and Oversoul beat it in normal play (though you will still catch me using my arc Messenger sometimes), and for solar, vision of confluence is basically unbeatable.

Anyway, I'm just saying they're not good, if, like Ragashingo, you've got a large enough collection of elemental primaries.

All of that said, Tomorrow's Answer is the best non exotic rocket launcher in the game out of the box, the machine gun is amazing for no field scout and technically Eye of Sol is fantastic, though I don't like to use it. It's just that the elemental primaries from this expansion aren't that good, IMO. They're almost always on the bench for me.

I've got adept (elemental) versions of all the primaries, and they've quickly become my favorite set of PvE weapons. The Scholar has a low ammo count but it hits like a truck, has outlaw for fast reloads, and does bonus damage after reloads. I can kill level 20 minataurs in 3 hits with mine (it has void damage). The mesanger's headseaker perk makes it great for PvE as well as PvP. Jewel of Osiris is practically identical to Fatebringer in terms of handling and base damage, so it's no slouch. I had a couple arc versions that I sharded (redundant since I have 3 Fatebringers) but I now have solar and void versions which are great. The Summoner feels a bit underpowered, but so do all Auto Rifles. But it's probably my favorite AR at the moment.

The ToO weapons don't have anything on par with Fatebringer, but as a collection I'd say they're the best set of primaries in the game right now.

Unless all you do is play PvP, then yes, the Trials guns are much better. But then who cares about elements?

Every single time you go Flawless in ToO you get an elemental primary, and they're really good primaries. I've beat Skolas 7 times and I've only seen 2 elemental primaries drop in 21 chances. And when they do, they're not even particularly good.

Wow, I did not know this!

The thing that annoys me the most is the poor reward pool.

Every single time you go Flawless in ToO you get an elemental primary, and they're really good primaries. I've beat Skolas 7 times and I've only seen 2 elemental primaries drop in 21 chances. And when they do, they're not even particularly good.

On the one hand, Destiny's PvP side was due for some love, but it's too bad that the PvE crowd doesn't have something equally as awesome (with their own top notch rewards packages and perhaps their own secret social space).

We totally got a hole in the ground filled with gold and a really neat bathtub.

Don't feel too bad. NOBODY gets to the lighthouse "with ease".

I'll second this. Of my 4 Lighthouse runs, the first 3 only came after multiple hours of failed attempts. I've also been a part of several agonizing failed runs, including an 8-0 w/ Mercy intact followed by two close losses. During the run I made with Zero and Speedracer last week, we all agreed it was the most difficult run we had made, with virtually every match at least 5-3 or closer. The closest thing to an easy run was this past weekend, where Zero and Speedracer and I made it on the first try, but we got super lucky and spawned on the high side of the map in nearly every match. The only loss we had was actually a rematch against a team we had just beat easily, except we were on the low side that time, and lost 5-3.

At the end of the day, in order to make it to the Lighthouse, you are going to have to pull off something crazy in at least one or two matches (and you will have to rely on your teammates to do the same). That's the hardest thing to deal with, is when it feels like you have things in hands and then all of the sudden the other team turns the tables on you, and you have to figure out some way to respond on the fly. Normal Crucible does no prepare you for this, although playing Rumble can help you deal with the speed at which you need to make successful decisions in crazy or unusual situations.

Congrats on getting there (again), it’s a really impressive achievement. But I’ve gotta be honest—and I feel a bit self-conscious admitting this—seeing my friends get to the Lighthouse “with ease” (aka, more than once and on a regular basis) also makes me feel like utter and complete shit.

I don't put any time into PvP. I guess I don't deserve to be awesome.

This is why so many people (myself included) feel that PvE players got completely shafted with House of Wolves in terms of top-level activities and rewards. On the one hand, Destiny's PvP side was due for some love, but it's too bad that the PvE crowd doesn't have something equally as awesome (with their own top notch rewards packages and perhaps their own secret social space).

Personally speaking, I never really played much of Destiny's PvP. I put some time in to the past 4 Iron Banner events, but that's about it. When Trials of Osiris came along, I found that the unique nature of the elimination game mode fixed a lot of the problems I have with standard crucible. It also scratched the competitive itch that had been completely missing from Destiny until now.

So I feel like Trials is a fantastic addition to the game, but it only works for a small portion of the player base. Destiny needs a PvE equivalent.

I don't remember who it is. Might be Squid or unoudid. Works damn good. As for my self revives, I just do them as soon as I think I won't die and a teammate isn't near me. End of round self revives are generally not going to work, for the reason you said.

I've run Pocket Infinity quite a bit, it's still one of my go-to weapons in Crucible. I haven't used it the past 2 or 3 Trials though since I've been finding more success sniping. Pocket Infinity is great for melting radiance Warlocks, and I've caught a Golden Gunslinger off guard once or twice. However, its Achilles heel is blink-shotgun: it's just impossible to get the timing right.

Congrats on getting there (again), it’s a really impressive achievement. But I’ve gotta be honest—and I feel a bit self-conscious admitting this—seeing my friends get to the Lighthouse “with ease” (aka, more than once and on a regular basis) also makes me feel like utter and complete shit.

I don't put any time into PvP. I guess I don't deserve to be awesome.

The worst part is there is little to NO incentive to try if you dont think youll make it.

First of all, you can get decent rewards without going all the way to the top; I got a Mida Multitool from the 5-win package. But overall, you're totally right: ToO saves the big rewards for the top winners. But I think that's a key part of what makes ToO something special and different. Every other PvP mode in Destiny rewards players no matter what. Winning in crucible or Iron Banner speeds up your progress a little, but you can lose every single game and still earn great rewards. And that's cool. I'm glad most of the game works that way.

But Trials of Osiris is a truly competitive mode. Everything is riding on your ability to win. The top level rewards from ToO are by far the best in the game, and rightfully so. Going flawless is Destiny's greatest challenge. It's the intensity of the competition and the prizes at stake that make winning so thrilling.

I think ToO is clearly a mode that has limited appeal. Not everyone finds that kind of pressure fun. But I also think anything that makes ToO more forgiving would dilute what it is.

If anything, I think it's a shame that there isn't a PvE equivalent. It should be level 35 PoE, but that activity feels more cheap than challenging (with the exception of a couple of the bosses), and the rewards pretty much suck. There's definitely a void there that needs to be filled.