I'm not saying that Saturn won't be a "fifth destination". I don't know. None of us know. And that's the point. I was only trying to highlight that Bungie hasn't said anything definitive one way or the other, and that forming expectations is probably unwise, especially given this game's track record.

Here's the problem with that: You are wrong. At about 2:35 into the new ViDoc Mark Noseworthy says:

In The Taken King you're going to go to a new destination, Oryx's dreadnaught, his massive castle in the sky and you're gonna to have to explore it and you're gonna have to track him down and find him.

Various other Bungie people have confirmed this in various interviews during the week. They've said it will have Patrol, and Strikes and will host the new Raid.

You're not a villain, but if you are going to play the role of keeping people's expectations in check you should at least have your facts straight.

What about the other day when you posted "Don't get your hopes up" and "Don't do this to yourselves"? This has the same tone and seems like it has the same message.

Cynicism =/= stepping on people's hopes. I was highlighting the fact that people were getting excited about something that has not actually been confirmed, which has happened before with this game and has never turned out well.

Come on, man. Please cut me a little slack here? It is not my intention to spoil anyone's fun here. I'm just trying to be realistic. Historically, building grandiose expectations of upcoming content in this game has only led to disappointment.

Hell, even if I were stepping on your hopes, so what? Y'all have it easy here. Try being a Halo fan on HBO these days.

No, but they showed Guardians on a platform in a flat debris field with a banded planet behind it. Presuming we're staying in our own solar system, it's one of the gas giants, and Saturn is the one everyone thinks of as the ringed planet (and the one fans have been wanting the most because someone foolishly mentioned it in a vidoc one time).

True, but is it a new explorable area or just the location for a Raid?

I think when people hear the words "go to Saturn", they envision being able to actually run patrols there (or the ship, or whatever the case may be). They want to see it in the Director. They want to be able to explore the terrain.

When Mercury turned out to be a single multiplayer map in the retail game, I think more than a few people were a little confused. There's nothing inherently wrong with that design choice, of course, and given Destiny's fiction it wouldn't make much sense for Mercury to be a hot-spot of activity, but people allowed their expectations to shape their vision of what Destiny was going to be, and when it didn't turn out that way, they couldn't understand what had happened.

I'm calling it now. If Saturn (or the ship, or whatever the case may be) is not a fully explorable "fifth destination", people are going to bitch about it, and it will be entirely because of the expectations that they had formed for what it could have been. "I thought this was supposed to be an expansion." "I didn't pay $40 for this paltry crap." Et cetera...

(Activision's marketing is partly to blame for encouraging players to form these lofty expectations, IMO, but that's a whole different can of worms that we won't be addressing here.)

I'm not saying that Saturn won't be a "fifth destination". I don't know. None of us know. And that's the point. I was only trying to highlight that Bungie hasn't said anything definitive one way or the other, and that forming expectations is probably unwise, especially given this game's track record.

Okay? Is that clear enough for you? Can we please desist with the "car15 villain" shit?

Sorry, I couldn't resist! Lame joke is lame. :D

I suppose on a serious note, does a Bubble Titan stand any chance in that gametype? lol

Holy shit, cry me a river.

I'm not "stepping on people's hopes" intentionally. You're free to hope as much as you like.

What about the other day when you posted "Don't get your hopes up" and "Don't do this to yourselves"? This has the same tone and seems like it has the same message.

As for what Bungie said, I don't know what you're trying to say. They haven't said anything definitive about this.

No, but they showed Guardians on a platform in a flat debris field with a banded planet behind it. Presuming we're staying in our own solar system, it's one of the gas giants, and Saturn is the one everyone thinks of as the ringed planet (and the one fans have been wanting the most because someone foolishly mentioned it in a vidoc one time).

I'm not "stepping on people's hopes" intentionally. You're free to hope as much as you like.

If just one cynical dude is enough to rain on your parade, then you are going to have trouble in life.

As for what Bungie said, I don't know what you're trying to say. They haven't said anything definitive about this.

I expected to visit ships around Saturn (concept art). Perhaps one of its moons. Not Saturn itself. Why not Saturn itself? It's a gas giant, you'd just sink.

Well, in Halo 2 you had a facility that was inside the atmosphere of Threshold. Something like a flying or floating colony / building could be doable, but who are we kidding? You'd never get the amazing view of the rings. Better off on a ship or a moon. Best yet, Titan!

Why not Saturn itself? It's a gas giant, you'd just sink.

You take your logic and sensible thinking and GET OUT OF HERE ;p

I got the impression that people were actually expecting to visit Saturn itself, or perhaps one of its moons, which is never going to happen.

A dreadnought in orbit of Saturn =/= Saturn.

Seriously, you're going this far to step on both people's hopes and what Bungie said? I agree people should keep their hopes in check but you're just being a jackass at this point. Besides, you couldn't visit Saturn itself, it has no solid surface.

I just don't want to build up any expectations this time. I got burned hard after Destiny launched and it became clear that the game was so much smaller than I expected it to be, so I'm taking great care to avoid forming any expectations this time around.

That would be one thing, this is telling other people not to get their hopes up. Encouraging people to be realistic or guarded or not hyped beyond all reason would be fine, but you're repeatedly and relatively forcefully saying that they should never get their hopes up, and that's not called for or appreciated.

Oh, it also looks like we're going to Mercury for reals this time instead of just the one multiplayer map.

Perhaps. That would be very cool.

I just don't want to build up any expectations this time. I got burned hard after Destiny launched and it became clear that the game was so much smaller than I expected it to be, so I'm taking great care to avoid forming any expectations this time around.

Maybe we will get to patrol Mercury. Maybe we won't. Either way, I'm assuming that we won't until we hear otherwise. Same for Saturn.

No expectations whatsoever.

I expect we will only visit the lighthouse on Mercury, and not have missions or patrol there (See my other post).