Of course, that still ignores the issue of the super bar getting reset when a super is cast - the only way around that would have been to have enough orbs present to fully recharge their super. It seems unlikely to me that there would actually be so many orbs right together in PvP.

Trials, generally, doesn't frustrate me, but it does excite me in clutch moments. It puts a lot of pressure on a person, and that is exhausting. I'll probably quit doing it at some point as fewer and fewer bad players even try. I would suggest everyone TRY trials, but there are some who shouldn't play it regularly. Those who care about losing quite a bit are the main ones.

Iron banner is far more forgiving than Trials, however.

Iron Banner just requires about a 20% win percentage. This is low. This is so low that it's difficult to string together that many random games and continue losing. Last night, we lost 4 in a row, but I can lose another one and win one and still have lost almost no rep. Or, we can lose every game and do the bounties. Zero problem hitting rank 5.

I suggested to someone on this forum that he try some crucible events (he is a purely pve player) with the "stop caring about losing" technique, and he said "I can try, but I will still care just enough to be frustrated." "Ahh, well shit. Don't play then."

If you can't get past caring "just enough," you definitely shouldn't bother. Honestly. If you aren't having fun, don't play that part of the game. And, if it's one of the last things that interests you in Destiny, then move on and play another game, or build something, or fix the deck, or buy a basketball hoop and get fit outside. Destiny will still be there to have fun with. You don't have to do everything every time.

I can only assume(or at least hope) that there were a bunch of orbs nearby or something. When I'm in PvE, if there are a lot of orbs on the floor, I'll use my super, then grab 'em for a quick recharge.

You seem like you're not having fun, so not playing is the right choice for you - I'm totally with you on that.

Earlier today, I watched an enemy Titan cast Ward of Dawn, and then use Fist of Havoc--less than six seconds apart.

That sound fine to you?

This doesn't only not sound fine, it doesn't sound possible. Using Ward of Dawn wipes out your super counter - but even if somehow didn't, swapping subclasses wipes your super counter (and your melee counter, and your grenade counter). There's absolutely no way to do this (even if you're standing in a pool of orbs) in 6 seconds.

Sounds to me like something else happened (like, maybe, two teammates cast supers at the same time).

::shrug::

That would be crazy-quick thinking if someone pulled it off. Like, I wouldn't be angry if someone pulled that, I'd just be impressed.

Earlier today, I watched an enemy Titan cast Ward of Dawn, and then use Fist of Havoc--less than six seconds apart.

That sound fine to you?

This doesn't only not sound fine, it doesn't sound possible. Using Ward of Dawn wipes out your super counter - but even if somehow didn't, swapping subclasses wipes your super counter (and your melee counter, and your grenade counter). There's absolutely no way to do this (even if you're standing in a pool of orbs) in 6 seconds.

Sounds to me like something else happened (like, maybe, two teammates cast supers at the same time).

::shrug::

I can lose at normal Crucible all I want. I DO lose at normal Crucible all I want. I mean, I don't want to lose, but it's typically all I get.

You may get progress from losing too, but not enough. Not to mention, it's just damn demoralizing, whether you care or not.

Earlier today, I watched an enemy Titan cast Ward of Dawn, and then use Fist of Havoc--less than six seconds apart.

That sound fine to you?

Funkmon, I'm sorry but I have to ask--how do you feel about the Trials of Osiris?

POST EDIT: Now I should say this, so there's no confusion: The second I finish with Void Damage, I'll switch back to Sunsinger with Gift of the Fusion, and I will DUAL-WIELD Last Word and Thorn so I can cheat just as good as everybody else, but the point of this rant is: When you lose every time you play, you don't want to play.

Your opponents are more likely to play strategically and call out an entrenched positions when you play with 4 or 5 DBOers. More likely to be flanked as a result when you're trying to sit back, or focus you down during a super.

This is probably why I do better when I play solo crucible, also, I'm matched up with people closer to my play level. ;)

I actually get the 10 kill bounty solo almost every day. I hardly ever get it when I play with DBOers. I don't know why.

I play by myself if I want the bounties done as quickly as possible. I play with DBOers to get wins. I wish I could make it work at the same time :)

Your opponents are more likely to play strategically and call out an entrenched positions when you play with 4 or 5 DBOers. More likely to be flanked as a result when you're trying to sit back, or focus you down during a super.

I play by myself if I want the bounties done as quickly as possible. I play with DBOers to get wins. I wish I could make it work at the same time :)

....with the exception of the 10 kill one, since that is rare enough to not try for

Thorn + Sniper + HMG = easy to do. Since assists count towards the defeating 10 guardians Thorn makes this fairly easy if you just hang back and play defensively.