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<title>You&#039;d finally be able to play games on an Apple Computer! (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Yeah I have 2 Macs myself, I still find it funny though. there are still about 3x as many games at least on PC though, which is why I also have a built PC just for gaming.</p>
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Bootcamp.</p>
<p>There are <em>more</em> games for Mac than PC, because you get all the Mac-only games <em>as well as</em> all the PC-only games.</p>
</blockquote><p>When you put it that way, you can also run Mac games on a PC. You can do it with an emulator or a virtual machine... but there can be legal issues and there pretty much will be performance issues, and it's out most people's comfort zone. You could do it like running PC games on a Mac like you described above... if Apple wasn't so touchy and restrictive about their software. You could just install OS X on your PC and run the games that way... if Apple wasn't equally touchy and restrictive about their hardware. You can still actually do that... but only if you have compatible components in your computer, and you need to use special software to mess with how your computer boots, which is something most people and even most relatively knowledgeable computer users shouldn't be messing with. This would be problem... if the Mac had more than a few (still functional) exclusive games that people had heard of, or better versions of multi-platform games. Also with your scenario you still have to make sure your Mac is fast enough and that the chips won't melt when you try to actually make the most of it.<br />
(for the record, I know Microsoft does a lot of the same stuff; that doesn't make it any less bad)</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 02:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Re: stick placement (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've noticed my left thumb starts to hurt before my right thumb if I'm only or almost only using them for the sticks, and I'm inclined towards putting that down under better, more natural placement. That's with the controller I have now, though, and maybe the last one. With some 360 controllers it's been the other way around, but it's always one side or the other. I really don't think you can have optimal placement of both sticks at different &quot;heights&quot; like on the 360 controller unless the person using the controller has two hands that are fairly different from each other (like probably asymmetrical). What would really be nice is if the sticks were in a good place, preferably lower down, and they got rid of the d-pad (I know, I'm attached to it too, but I never use it these days) and replaced it with some more buttons, hopefully ones that aren't annoying to reach, and hopefully I'd be able to get used to that.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 02:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>The Next Generation of Xbox - May 21st reveal (reply)</title>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 01:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>General Vagueness</dc:creator>
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<title>lmao (reply)</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 20:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>GrimBrother One</dc:creator>
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<title>The H&amp;R-Box? (reply)</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 20:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Mr Daax</dc:creator>
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<title>Xbox 1040 (reply)</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 20:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>GrimBrother One</dc:creator>
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<title>Already exists. (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem!</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Bandai_Pippin">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Bandai_Pippin</a></p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 02:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>ShadowOfTheVoid</dc:creator>
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<title>We will see some game reveals on May 21st (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not terribly surprising, we will definitely be seeing some game reveals at the May 21st event according to <a href="http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/01/call-of-duty-ghosts-announced-next-gen-powered-by-new-engine/">this</a> article about the new CoD from Joystiq. I bring this up because it makes it more likely that we will see something of Destiny at the event, especially considering we now know Activision will be there for sure.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 17:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
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<title>Interesting ideas (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people talk about rising development costs due to new hardware, they're not referring to greater difficulty of developing a particular thing. They're talking about higher amount of stuff to be developed. It's not an unfounded concern; the amount of time spent developing and applying assets has increased substantially with each generation. The notion of several hundred people spending several years developing a game was nonsensical in the generation before this one, but now people don't bat an eye.</p>
<p>Whether that trend will continue as steeply is a worthwhile question, though. Development tools are always improving, and in a lot of ways graphics in the console space could be improved drastically and take *some* advantage of the new hardware with very little additional work.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Interesting ideas (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He is 100% right about the Wii U sadly, but he mentions that making a new console that makes it harder to develop for is never a winning strategy and talks about it as if it is true about the PS4 and XBox 720. From what has been announced about the PS4 though it'll be EASIER to develop for than the PS3 and from the rumors the 720 may end up being similar. I mean the PS3 is basically just a PC with a few bells and whistles. Who knows though, I could be wrong, we'll have to wait and see.</p>
</blockquote><p>Yeah. His article did seem a bit out of touch. Both Sony and Microsoft are supposedly going for decent but not totally groundbreaking PCish designs. And I'm excited for the new consoles because the additional RAM and processing power will help even PC games become bigger and better. So many games are multiplatform and the old creaky 512<em>MB</em> main RAM consoles have got to be holding the 16<em>GB</em>+ PC's back.</p>
<p>It sure would have been nice if Halo 4 and Destiny could have been held back a while longer to focus solely on the new hardware, profits and marketability be damned.</p>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ragashingo</dc:creator>
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<title>In this day and age, controllers should never hold one back. (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've tried some of the 360 style controllers, I never liked any of them, but I've never seen the adapter, I may have to get one!</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Interesting ideas (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is 100% right about the Wii U sadly, but he mentions that making a new console that makes it harder to develop for is never a winning strategy and talks about it as if it is true about the PS4 and XBox 720. From what has been announced about the PS4 though it'll be EASIER to develop for than the PS3 and from the rumors the 720 may end up being similar. I mean the PS3 is basically just a PC with a few bells and whistles. Who knows though, I could be wrong, we'll have to wait and see.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
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<title>&#039;We Really Really Don&#039;t Need New Consoles&#039; (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally speaking, I really like what Yahtzee posted this week.  I'm not sure about what he says regarding the 'state of the industry,' simply because I don't know enough about it, but his 'desperate let's-see-what-we-can-get-away-with lunge from a dying beast' just rings true.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/10300-We-Really-Really-Dont-Need-New-Consoles">http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/10300-We-Really-Really-Dont-Need-New-Consoles</a></p>
<p>Anyway, there you go.  Enjoy.  Apologies if this was already posted, and I missed it.</p>
<p>/patiently awaits Destiny PC announcement.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>SonofMacPhisto</dc:creator>
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<title>In this day and age, controllers should never hold one back. (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As far as the new features, I want to see the controller.  I've stayed away from the playstations because I never could get comfortable with the controllers.  Xbox controllers feel a lot better to me and I'm hoping they keep that up.  </p>
</blockquote><p>The 360 controller is certainly one of the best gamepads I've ever used and I sympathize somewhat. </p>
<p>But if you want to play a PS3 with a 360 style controller you can get adapters...</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/HDE%C2%AE-Xbox-Playstation-Controller-Adapter/dp/B007SO06O6">http://www.amazon.com/HDE%C2%AE-Xbox-Playstation-Controller-Adapter/dp/B007SO06O6</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cronusdevice.com/cronus-device.html">http://www.cronusdevice.com/cronus-device.html</a></p>
<p>Or a choose from a bevy of 360-style controllers. Some are even compatible with both Sony and Microsoft systems.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.target.com/p/ps3-pro-elite-wireless-controller-playstation-3/-/A-13217769?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&amp;AFID=Google_PLA_df&amp;LNM=|13217769&amp;CPNG=Electronics&amp;kpid=13217769&amp;ci_gpa=pla&amp;ci_sku=13217769">http://www.target.com/p/ps3-pro-elite-wireless-controller-playstation-3/-/A-13217769?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&amp;AFID=Go...</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.powera.com/Browse/PROD_CTRLS/PLATFORM_PS3">http://www.powera.com/Browse/PROD_CTRLS/PLATFORM_PS3</a></p>
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<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 02:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>NsU Soldier</dc:creator>
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<title>Sony is making a big move with the new dualshock. (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It was based on a controller built for Japanese-sized hands.</p>
</blockquote><p>When I say &quot;claw,&quot; I'm referring to how people use the sticks which the shape of the controller was very obviously not designed around using. The handles work okay with the basic d-pad and face buttons (they were the first addition, the initial differentiator from the SNES controller; elegance was easier when the design was very simple), but they're questionable for the triggers and analogue sticks.</p>
<p>It <em>was</em> built for Japanese-sized hands. But it has a lot of actual design problems.</p>
<blockquote><p>Remember how Microsoft had to release a special version of the original Xbox controller for the Japanese market because the Duke controller was just too big for them?</p>
</blockquote><p>Oh, you mean that Duke that almost everyone in the US hated as well?</p>
<p>xD</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>uberfoop</dc:creator>
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<title>Rumors from Microsoft &quot;source&quot; (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Oh I definitely agree. The thing I am worried about is definitely the last part you mention, that companies could require you to be online at all times to play their games even when the game is not an online game.</p>
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I'm curious as to whether that means anything, actually. Technically speaking, it wouldn't even be that hard to program a game on 360 to require an internet connection.</p>
<p>If Microsoft doesn't have policies in-place to require that publishers not do that, the situation isn't much different than it already is.</p>
</blockquote><p>I would guess it would somehow be a feature built into the 720 that they can use if they so desire. That's how I interpreted it when I read it, but who knows. We'll find out in about a month.</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
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<title>Rumors from Microsoft &quot;source&quot; (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh I definitely agree. The thing I am worried about is definitely the last part you mention, that companies could require you to be online at all times to play their games even when the game is not an online game.</p>
</blockquote><p>I'm curious as to whether that means anything, actually. Technically speaking, it wouldn't even be that hard to program a game on 360 to require an internet connection.</p>
<p>If Microsoft doesn't have policies in-place to require that publishers not do that, the situation isn't much different than it already is.</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>uberfoop</dc:creator>
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<title>Rumors from Microsoft &quot;source&quot; (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not necessarily. </p>
<p>I can understand and agree to a one time verification process, that's no different than an activation code for most modern software anyway.  </p>
<p>Also, if there are games coming out that require online to play anyway (such as an MMORPG) it doesn't matter in those cases- those players will be on regardless.  </p>
</blockquote><p>Oh I definitely agree. The thing I am worried about is definitely the last part you mention, that companies could require you to be online at all times to play their games even when the game is not an online game.</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>I want it to PAY my taxes for me. (reply)</title>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Claude Errera</dc:creator>
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<title>Rumors from Microsoft &quot;source&quot; (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know they are just rumors, but Polygon posted information from a Microsoft source about the next XBox <a href="http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/26/4268782/next-xbox-drm-achievements-live">here</a>.</p>
<p>This part is very interesting: <br />
<em>Currently, the console will support digital rights management and anti-piracy checks using an internet connection. Under Microsoft’s current guidelines, which may still be changed, the decision of whether a game will require an internet connection to work and if that is a one-time authentication or a constant connection, will be left up to individual publishers.</em></p>
<p>Definitely better than always on requirement for the console itself but still troubling.</p>
</blockquote><p>Not necessarily. </p>
<p>I can understand and agree to a one time verification process, that's no different than an activation code for most modern software anyway.  </p>
<p>Also, if there are games coming out that require online to play anyway (such as an MMORPG) it doesn't matter in those cases- those players will be on regardless.  </p>
<p>I do have a problem with it for games that don't have an online or MP component- example- I don't see why I should need to get online to play Bioshock 1 or Arkham Asylum or Portal.  </p>
<p>I think leaving that decision in the hands of the publisher is a wise move- That would allow MS (and others such as Sony or Nintendo who might be watching) to essentially beta test some games but not ALL games using that mechanic. </p>
<p> Wait and see, I suppose.</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Revenant1988</dc:creator>
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