Wait, 'Charlemagne' has a mission?

I thought the name Charlemagne just came from early Destiny marketing material.

...shouldn't you know for sure already?

I thought a name was given but, of course, I haven't seen it in a while.

"Rasputin was protecting it." It being the Dust Palace, but the AI they are digging around in doesn't seem to be given a name.

(Note: Rev also finds them boring to fight from gameplay perspective)

Though it wasn't touched much in the game (like all of Destiny's 'story') the cards do hint that there is something more to the Cabal, that hints there might be more behind their motivation to fight Humanity, or rather that they are fighting Humanity because of circumstance, not so much because 'evil' or because 'darkness' said so.

Yeah, I probably should reread the grimoire on the Cabal. Like I said, I find the Vex & Hive more interesting story wise, and that's probably because of the raid & my researching of their lore/story.

1.) Hive (I also love the flood in Halo, go figure)

Evil because reasons fighting humanity because reasons. Ambiguous "darkness" overlord\force works for them, I guess. Space zombies. They fight the fallen because reasons? Aren't they all on the same "darkness" team? Whatever. Have yet to see them fight other races. They are my most favorite visually.

Yeah, I'm not clear on why the fallen are fighting the hive, perhaps the hive are the reason the fallen are ... fallen? The Hive seem the most evil to me.

2.) Fallen

Remind me of Jackals from Halo, in that they seem to be more profiteering than malicious. They look like they experienced their own cataclysm and simply war with Humanity because they need what little we have so THEY can survive. Like their over dependence on machines. Fight the Hive because....reasons. Also fighting Vex, because reasons.

I suspect they fight the Vex because of the same reason they fight Humanity, to pillage & survive, steal technology, stuff like that. Again, I think they have a grudge with the Hive.

3.) Cabal

A military force that by appearance and discipline looks like it should either be BETTER than whatever Earth had or has left or on Par. Evenly matched opponents for Humanity. Grim cards hint (I think) that they have control of one of Mars' moons, could potentially launch it like a weapon. Shit. Also hints that they might be running FROM the Darkness, forced to fight by circumstance, like the Fallen. They fight the Vex too. War on at least two fronts that we know of. Tragically boring to fight in gameplay hinders their potential. They seem like they were developed LAST compared to the other races in game.

I've felt the motivation for the Cabal fighting was just basic conquest.

4.) Vex

Robot Zealots from the days of futures-past's-future-self-and-me-2000. Destiny's entire story may or may not end up being one giant simulation, in a sleeping robots mind. Someone jiggle the mouse, please. Enemies vary, they surprise you, overwhelm you with slow precision. They fight the Fallen and Cabal because skynet probably. They are my least favorite, probably because of repetition at this point.

I REALLY hope this isn't another matrix/simulation plot. I mean, it's cool in that it brings up the questions of reality & existence, but having this all be a simulation in a vex mind(s) will make all the battle seem pointless.

Oh yeah I agree- the Cabal ARE boring, VERY boring as they are right now. I'm just pointing out that there is more to them, but through other channels...for now.

Hive though? They are the only thing that seems bad for the sake of bad. Parasitic even. So I agree, they do feel like un-complicated bad guys.

(Note: Rev also finds them boring to fight from gameplay perspective)

Though it wasn't touched much in the game (like all of Destiny's 'story') the cards do hint that there is something more to the Cabal, that hints there might be more behind their motivation to fight Humanity, or rather that they are fighting Humanity because of circumstance, not so much because 'evil' or because 'darkness' said so.

Yeah, I probably should reread the grimoire on the Cabal. Like I said, I find the Vex & Hive more interesting story wise, and that's probably because of the raid & my researching of their lore/story.

1.) Hive (I also love the flood in Halo, go figure)

Evil because reasons fighting humanity because reasons. Ambiguous "darkness" overlord\force works for them, I guess. Space zombies. They fight the fallen because reasons? Aren't they all on the same "darkness" team? Whatever. Have yet to see them fight other races. They are my most favorite visually.

Yeah, I'm not clear on why the fallen are fighting the hive, perhaps the hive are the reason the fallen are ... fallen? The Hive seem the most evil to me.

2.) Fallen

Remind me of Jackals from Halo, in that they seem to be more profiteering than malicious. They look like they experienced their own cataclysm and simply war with Humanity because they need what little we have so THEY can survive. Like their over dependence on machines. Fight the Hive because....reasons. Also fighting Vex, because reasons.

I suspect they fight the Vex because of the same reason they fight Humanity, to pillage & survive, steal technology, stuff like that. Again, I think they have a grudge with the Hive.

3.) Cabal

A military force that by appearance and discipline looks like it should either be BETTER than whatever Earth had or has left or on Par. Evenly matched opponents for Humanity. Grim cards hint (I think) that they have control of one of Mars' moons, could potentially launch it like a weapon. Shit. Also hints that they might be running FROM the Darkness, forced to fight by circumstance, like the Fallen. They fight the Vex too. War on at least two fronts that we know of. Tragically boring to fight in gameplay hinders their potential. They seem like they were developed LAST compared to the other races in game.

I've felt the motivation for the Cabal fighting was just basic conquest.

4.) Vex

Robot Zealots from the days of futures-past's-future-self-and-me-2000. Destiny's entire story may or may not end up being one giant simulation, in a sleeping robots mind. Someone jiggle the mouse, please. Enemies vary, they surprise you, overwhelm you with slow precision. They fight the Fallen and Cabal because skynet probably. They are my least favorite, probably because of repetition at this point.

I REALLY hope this isn't another matrix/simulation plot. I mean, it's cool in that it brings up the questions of reality & existence, but having this all be a simulation in a vex mind(s) will make all the battle seem pointless.

Wait, 'Charlemagne' has a mission?

I thought the name Charlemagne just came from early Destiny marketing material.

No, that name was in an old version of the game, as reporters in 2013 explicitly mention going to Charlemagne's vault.

There is so much misinformation and rampant speculation (bleeding into one another, of course) in this thread, I find it amusing. :)

Isn't that exactly what forum threads are for? ;p

There is so much misinformation and rampant speculation (bleeding into one another, of course) in this thread, I find it amusing. :)

I wouldn't call mixing up these names misinformation. It is certainly speculation though, as everything in this thread is.

Wait, 'Charlemagne' has a mission?

I thought the name Charlemagne just came from early Destiny marketing material.

Ah mixed up Rasputin and Charlemagne. Still would be cool to see Charlemagne involved.

For some reason I actually always imagined it being a human ship that had been overrun by Hive. Like the ship from the concept art:

I think I would not mind a Human ship taken over by the Hive though I still think the Cabal would be better (mostly because they need more story.) Certainly I've been intrigued by the idea of going to that ship ever since I first saw the artwork.

I thought the name Charlemagne just came from early Destiny marketing material.

[the Hive] - Have yet to see them fight other races.

They fight the Fallen in the Cosmodrome in a movement against the enemy. They also fight the Fallen in the Devil's Lair.

Yeah I said that one sentence before. I'm referring to them fighting the Cabal & Vex.

They fight the fallen because reasons?