• Thorn
  
• The Last Word
  
• Mythoclast
  
• Felwinter's Lie
  
• Red Death

This is literally the top 5 PvP weapons in destiny. Although 5th place can be changed to any of the others on your list

Yeah. As it turns out, Destiny players are actually kind of smart at selecting good weapons, ha.

Not like piercing through enemies isn't useful or anything.

EDIT: That said it's been a while. It could have been patched/stealth-buffed since. Anyone know?

Found Verdict is the best shotgun in the game.

I realise we're supposed to be talking about PvE weapons, but Felwinter would like a word with you

- The SWARM if you still have it... almost definitely the best HMG in the game.

FTFY. The Crucible Vendor has better TTK, but the Swarm is much more stable - headshot machine.

• Thorn
  
• The Last Word
  
• Mythoclast
  
• Felwinter's Lie
  
• Red Death

This is literally the top 5 PvP weapons in destiny. Although 5th place can be changed to any of the others on your list

Changing up your weapons may not help in certain situations. I can see people holding a corner with a long sight line and disengaging if you get close.

The point is that sneaking close will be difficult in most respects. By moving to engage you put yourself at a disadvantage, both in revealing your position and by moving through your opponent's chosen ground. Shorter range weapons make it easier for opponents to castle in position and corner camp with longer range weapons. By coordinating fire they should be able to knock down one or two people charging, and if they lose one in exchange they are in a better position to res them.

I don't think we're necessarily disagreeing.

I thought the ToO stream was a good demonstration of a destiny match. Engagements varied widely in distance, from close to far. On the whole, I don't think there are a great deal of sight lines in Destiny. What there are a great deal of are choke points; and at choke points, you have a wide variance of distance to engage at. Understanding which weapon your opponent has doesn't just dictate your weapon, certainly. It also dictates how close to a choke point you want to engage.

Walking through choke points is what you should avoid doing.

I have a habit of reloading after every kill so I'm still finding it hard to check my juju has restocked lol

Juju is a great gun for PvE and PvP and is wrecking in IB, I'd love to get my hands on red death so I can do my own direct comparison for crucible

The point is that sneaking close will be difficult in most respects. By moving to engage you put yourself at a disadvantage, both in revealing your position and by moving through your opponent's chosen ground. Shorter range weapons make it easier for opponents to castle in position and corner camp with longer range weapons. By coordinating fire they should be able to knock down one or two people charging, and if they lose one in exchange they are in a better position to res them.

I can't remember how many pulse rifles I sharded right after TDB dropped. I'm sure there were some great rolls on those before Pulse rifles became good.